It’s the luck of the draw. Similar issues have happened with Samsung tablets and their oled screens. I had a S7+ that had a green tint on the grey color once the brightness was brought down. Could be the issue with the technology behind oled screens. I haven’t had this issue on my latest Samsung tablet.
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iPad Pro Grainy display on new iPad Pro M4?
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Hopefully someone can do a side by side one with and one without. It’s possible some people just can’t see it or know what to look for. Also wonder if there is a way to see what panel you have?
Just like I’m glad my neck doesn’t collapse with 600g of weight, I’m glad my eyes aren’t attuned to seeing this grain!
You hang your iPad around your neck? (I’m not judging.)
It is most likely OLED dithering. A technique OLED manufacturers use to deal with near black colors (grey). It is normal and some people may notice it more than others. My 13 inch ipad has it. But I only see it if lower my brightness to 30 percent. Go to a pitch dark room. Put a grey field test pattern and then put the display almost to my nose. So it is a a non issue. Most OLED TVs have this too. So don’t expect a recall. No display is perfect. But the OLEDS in these iPads are remarkable.
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Never said they can’t be credible but the so called issues are always going to be there even if it’s a non issue
Well yeah, would people have been looking for this without this thread? Likely not.
It is interesting what some people notice and others don't. Until I read about it here, I never noticed jelly scrolling on my Mini 6. I acknowledge that it's there and drives some people crazy but I actively have to look for it to see it. Same with blooming on my M1 12.9 - just not something I really notice, even in the dark. But fingernails on a chalkboard ...
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Weeks ago I found an old report saying LG was the main supplier and that Samsung was having quality issues. The report alluded to Samsung working hard to fix things. I guess Samsung figured it out and managed to become a supplier, but seemingly at the cost of quality control.
I do wonder if Apple considers this within spec, or tolerances, or whatever the term is. I would hope not and that this gets fixed.
This is why I rarely buy day-one. I jumped on original 27-inch iMac release and no matter how many exchanges I made, they all had a yellow tint. That issue obviously got fixed, but us day-one buyers took it in.
I can confirm that I too saw those reports. Shame that people are possibly getting Samsung's trial run.
It’s Apple who does the final quality controls, not Samsung. That’s why Samsung was declared as having issues in the first place.
Apart from that, the grain that is reported here doesn’t seem to be materially different from the grain Samsung OLED panels always had.
My point is that this isn't the first time two different manufacturers deliver different standards of quality—one being worse—but Apple accepts that lower quality because its within spec.
Intel vs Qualcomm modems were an example. Intel modems were worse but it was within the spec Apple requested they meet.
So I'm wondering: is this below Apple's' expectations (and so we'll see Apple demand immediate quality improvements) or is Apple being tolerant of that grain as "within spec"?
Yeah but even then, it was still a panel lottery right? Not all Samsung OLED had the exact same level of grain, right?
But did you try standing on one foot while rubbing your belly at the same time? THEN it can be a big issue I read on reddit.
I am not trying to take away from those that see this as a problem, and I have tried to recreate the issue, I guess my room was not dark enough, because I didn't see anything at 40% on a gray background. But I have concluded that if I have to go to such extremes, which I likely never will in actual use, then I personally really don't care. I accept the world isn't perfect.
I do agree that 100% of the time for what I have done with it for the past 24 hours, it is phenomenal. Really sharp, crisp, fast, and love the black blacks. I am not going to throw away my non-OLED iPads, but I do like this one.
Or maybe its a panel lottery where you're not one of the unlucky ones that got a grainy screen visible in normal conditions. Also, some people need to pixel-peep for their job (eg. photography) so telling them you personally don't care isn't helpful. If someone can't differentiate between a photo having noise, and it being inherent OLED grain, thats no bueno.
I posted about this a couple pages back:
https://www.techradar.com/tablets/i...o-2024-might-be-hard-to-get-hold-of-at-launch
“Samsung – which is reportedly building screens for the 11-inch model – has faced “technical challenges”, and continues to do so, likely leading to limited availability of this model at launch.
The 12.9-inch iPad Pro 2024’s screen is said to be built by LG, which apparently isn’t facing the same difficulties, so supplies of that tablet should be far less constrained.”
Or maybe its a non issue for normal work conditions, you say normal conditions but no one has described a normal condition in 'seeing' this, they all talk about dark rooms, a specific brightness setting, etc.... its not apparent this is a panel issue at all. might be. might not be. and you can try to shame me but I am entitled to say I don't care about artificial use cases, it's implied I meant for myself. You can care all you want. But most photographers (including myself) don't pixel peep on grey patterns in a dark room with brightness set low but on actual scenes of merit in rooms with appropriate lighting so that our pupils are not dilated. We aren't just looking for 'noise', but sharpness, detail and color fringing all of which you don't get in a grey panel.
"My butterfly keyboard is working just fine. Maybe people having problems should stop eating over their keyboard."
Why is it when a problem is discovered, others are eager to dismiss and belittle rather than have some sympathy?
Pro photographers and video editors generally edit in light controlled (read: low light) rooms with a monitor around 160 nits (the monitor ideally matches the measured lux in the room). Even the "Photography (P3-D65)" reference modes for Apple's Studio Display and Apple's Pro Display XDR sets the brightness limit to 160 nits.
And thats beside the point. If a photographer is looking at work, and can't tell as clear a difference between grain and noise, thats not good, they are going to be sensitive to that, and they are going to want to replace that model with one without OLED grain.
Why that is difficult to sympathize with, is surprising for a supposed photographer.
But you don't have to be a photographer to hope Apple fixes this.
Any display technology comes with tradeoffs. The dithering pattern could be fixed by Apple, but it would result in crushed blacks. The color profile could be more vivid (I see people complaining about that in other threads) but then it would be less accurate. Everything in life is a compromise. But make no mistake, the displays on these iPads are next generation stuff. 1000 Nits full field white, 1600 nits Max, Tandem OLED without refraction errors, that's just fantastic. Unless you have a dead pixel or the dithering is visible in regular everyday content, I say enjoy your iPad. Apple will improve the display if possible. When the Previous iPad Mini LED came out, the blooming was atrocious, but Apple improved it via software. More than likely, they will do the same here, just don't expect miracles.
LOL, no need. It is present as it is present in pretty much all OLED save for (QD-OLED, which has other shortcomings). Now, it is possible that there is variance between screens, and some have obvious dithering in normal use, but if you can see it at regular viewing distance and conditions, something is actually wrong, and Apple will gladly swap your device. This happens every time a new device gets released.
Last night I watched 2001: A space odyssey and it was like seeing the film for the first time. Everything was so sharp, detailed and colorful with very impactful HDR. Even my wife was impressed. Apple's devices are not perfect, but right now the iPad Pros are easily the best tablets in the market with the best displays available.
I don't understand.
If most iPad Pro OLED displays are fine, but a small portion have grain issues, the buyer should return it for a model that doesn't, and Apple should fix quality control so there isn't a drastic panel lottery.
Thats it.
For me, it’s very hard to see. In a dark room on the iPad in dark mode 6” from my face and can’t see it at all. The screen is great overall.
My only frustration with the grain/mura is actually not with apple but with reviewers.
In depth screen analysis, discussion of trade offs between different panels or tech options, measurement of panel quality including this mura/grain, are all things I would expect from a review.
Instead we just get “looks good” which yeah it does but tell me something about the product I can’t tell myself within 2 seconds of using it!
My only frustration with the grain/mura is actually not with apple but with reviewers.
In depth screen analysis, discussion of trade offs between different panels or tech options, measurement of panel quality including this mura/grain, are all things I would expect from a review.
Instead we just get “looks good” which yeah it does but tell me something about the product I can’t tell myself within 2 seconds of using it!