[Guide] Success! Install 10.8 on old unsupported Mac

[ShedoSurashu]

Hi guys, I wanted to make use of an old MacBook 1,1 in my possession and unfortunately, Snow Leopard is the last OS X it should officially run.

I tried searching this thread for people with MacBook 1,1 as well but couldn't find any so here goes:

What is the best option for this laptop? Should I stick to Snow Leopard? Upgrade to Lion? Mountain Lion?

Will upgrading affect performance on the 1,1? What works and what doesn't? I know they have been posted on the front page but it wasn't specific as to what model of MacBook it applies to. This one has GMA 950 and is 32-bit.

 

[hackerwayne]

I think 0.3 will supportx3100 with 64bits....

No it will not though i made it clear with the post above

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Hi guys, I wanted to make use of an old MacBook 1,1 in my possession and unfortunately, Snow Leopard is the last OS X it should officially run.

I tried searching this thread for people with MacBook 1,1 as well but couldn't find any so here goes:

What is the best option for this laptop? Should I stick to Snow Leopard? Upgrade to Lion? Mountain Lion?

Will upgrading affect performance on the 1,1? What works and what doesn't? I know they have been posted on the front page but it wasn't specific as to what model of MacBook it applies to. This one has GMA 950 and is 32-bit.

You have no option. You can't run Lion or Mountain Lion.

 

[pgrif]

macbook 1,1

Hi guys, I wanted to make use of an old MacBook 1,1 in my possession and unfortunately, Snow Leopard is the last OS X it should officially run.

I tried searching this thread for people with MacBook 1,1 as well but couldn't find any so here goes:

What is the best option for this laptop? Should I stick to Snow Leopard? Upgrade to Lion? Mountain Lion?

Will upgrading affect performance on the 1,1? What works and what doesn't? I know they have been posted on the front page but it wasn't specific as to what model of MacBook it applies to. This one has GMA 950 and is 32-bit.

I think that it is a Core duo not a Core 2 Duo so Snow Leopard is the best that you can do,

 

[hackerwayne]

@hackerwayne:

Will it be possible to use MLPF 32-bit on a MacPro1,1 with ATI HD4870? Because "very slow start-up" and no iCloud would make upgrading from Lion to Mountain Lion totally pointless for me. (I don't keep my MacPro always on like I do it with my ML-compatible MBA with which I would also like to share iWork documents stored in iCloud)
I could live with graphical glitches and 32-bit mode only if it was for the sake of faster boot and iCloud support...

There was a user, who reported that his MacPro 1,1 system with upgraded ATI graphics card was fully working under 10.8.3, which he achieved using your earlier (pre-MLFP) method. Maybe if you could repost the last pre-MLPF guide, I could try to get it working with more confidence.... I'd be soooo grateful if you'd do that!

Anyway - thank your for you amazing job on this project!!

Yes, but ive yet to test that. Theoretically it would work, but will have the same bugs like other machines running 32-bit MLPF. This so call "64-bit" method is unchanged from the pre-MLPF method except automated, whatever used to work will still work. I said iCloud, FT, IMsg not working cuz it used to have mixed results, some say it is, other says its not. Start-up long issue has always been a problem due to 32-bit EFI (can't communicate with the NVRAM in ML cuz its 64bit)

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I think that it is a Core duo not a Core 2 Duo so Snow Leopard is the best that you can do,

I've actually created a Lion that runs on 32-bit processor, but its too buggy to be released. Again, it runs Lion DP1 & DP2 kernel.

 

[ShedoSurashu]

You have no option. You can't run Lion or Mountain Lion.

Ahh, I see, thanks!

 

[hackerwayne]

Ahh, I see, thanks!

With the exception of if you have a BGA machine and could swap the Core Duo processor to a Core 2 Duo. The T2400/T2500 grid is the same as T7300, T7400. But its BGA soldered.

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Have a small announcement/request/question.

1. I have no way to test 64-bit method on Mac Pro 1,1 & 2,1 due to my Mac Pros power supply died. Therefor, unable to solve those existing issues.

2. Anyone knows where to get a cheap replacement PSU? I've got the P/N.

3. I've found out that Early 2008 Mac Pro PSU is the same as Late 06 and 07, but 08 is quite expensive.

4. If its expensive, i might need to raise some funds on this one . If i order it from Apple it would cost about $270.

 

[boldan28]

With the exception of if you have a BGA machine and could swap the Core Duo processor to a Core 2 Duo. The T2400/T2500 grid is the same as T7300, T7400. But its BGA soldered.

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Have a small announcement/request/question.

1. I have no way to test 64-bit method on Mac Pro 1,1 & 2,1 due to my Mac Pros power supply died. Therefor, unable to solve those existing issues.

2. Anyone knows where to get a cheap replacement PSU? I've got the P/N.

3. I've found out that Early 2008 Mac Pro PSU is the same as Late 06 and 07, but 08 is quite expensive.

4. If its expensive, i might need to raise some funds on this one . If i order it from Apple it would cost about $270.

Wayne -

I sent you a PM, but it did not show up in my sent box. If you did not receive a PM from me let know.

 

[Buddygor]

Ahh, I see, thanks!

Well, you CAN upgrade to Lion, as it supports 32-bit!

http://jeremyjbowman.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/install-mac-osx-10-7-lion-on-unsupported-processors/

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8SbYImB_k

Good luck!


Noah Budgor

 

[hackerwayne]

Well, you CAN upgrade to Lion, as it supports 32-bit!

http://jeremyjbowman.wordpress.com/2011/07/29/install-mac-osx-10-7-lion-on-unsupported-processors/

or

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Bi8SbYImB_k

Good luck!


Noah Budgor

No, do not use that guide. You'll regret.

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Wayne -

I sent you a PM, but it did not show up in my sent box. If you did not receive a PM from me let know.

Got it.. 3 times lol.. MR Forum PM sucks.

 

[pgrif]

Deleting locked files

I've been editing some System files and have run into a problem, trying to delete things like Boot.efi.
I had been using Cocktail but I'm looking for something that's free, without using Terminal.
Thanks.

 

[hackerwayne]

I've been editing some System files and have run into a problem, trying to delete things like Boot.efi.
I had been using Cocktail but I'm looking for something that's free, without using Terminal.
Thanks.

For what you wanna do that.

 

[pgrif]

10.8.4

Just got Mac OS X 10.8.4 12E47 Beta Combo Update working, don't know much about it, it's time to go to bed.

 

[hackerwayne]

Just got Mac OS X 10.8.4 12E47 Beta Combo Update working, don't know much about it, it's time to go to bed.

No WiFi. Heavy graphics glitches if you're using 10.8.3 files.

 

[hackerwayne]

Update

1. Fixing bugs and issues DONE!
2. Preparing file for compilation DONE!
3. Started final compilation for 0.3. DONE!
4. > Beta Testing. IN PROGRESS
4. Release

2nd Private Beta has been released to beta testers. V0.3 Build 51313.

Those on Beta 51213 can use the new "MLPF Updater" to update to the latest version.

 

[boldan28]

Hey Wayne just a technical sort of question I was ruminating over...

What causes the slow boot times of MLPF x64, exactly? You've mentioned it's related to the 64-bit kernel unable to communicate with the NVRAM? Is the speed related in any way to capabilities of the boot drive (for example HD vs SSD) or completely unrelated?

I'm idly wondering if the NVRam could be flashed to match that of a more recently made Mac, or possibly tinkered with accomodate a normal boot-up time in future MLPFx64 versions. As far as I know, the NVRam contents are open source, so no copyright issues or anything there to my best knowledge. Feasible? Is that even the right track?

 

[dpfenninger]

Hmmm...contemplating Fusion Drive possibility on older MacBook

Wayne...now that I've been running 10.8.3 on my Late 2007 MacBook (3,1) seemingly issue-free, I've been thinking about the next step to truly getting my older MacBook humming.

Last year I removed my internal SuperDrive, replaced it with the internal HDD, and put in an SSD in the hard drive bay as my boot drive. I installed 10.7.5 on the SSD, and use the HDD to store all my media files (iTunes & iPhoto libraries, videos, etc.), with most of my regular-use apps on the SSD as well as the OS. Managing what goes on the HDD and what goes on the SSD was all done manually, with symlinks created on the SSD to point to their locations on the HDD as needed.

I guess my question is... could I now just create a true Fusion Drive setup and have the OS manage all that for me? I've been reading the following blog writeup at OWC which describes how this would be done:

http://blog.macsales.com/17624-os-x...tup-option-for-non-fusion-drive-equipped-macs

A 2007-era MacBook running Mountain Lion with a Fusion Drive setup would be great, and would extend the life of my trusty ol' laptop that much more. Any insights would be appreciated.

 

[Rastafabi]

Wayne...now that I've been running 10.8.3 on my Late 2007 MacBook (3,1) seemingly issue-free, I've been thinking about the next step to truly getting my older MacBook humming.

Last year I removed my internal SuperDrive, replaced it with the internal HDD, and put in an SSD in the hard drive bay as my boot drive. I installed 10.7.5 on the SSD, and use the HDD to store all my media files (iTunes & iPhoto libraries, videos, etc.), with most of my regular-use apps on the SSD as well as the OS. Managing what goes on the HDD and what goes on the SSD was all done manually, with symlinks created on the SSD to point to their locations on the HDD as needed.

I guess my question is... could I now just create a true Fusion Drive setup and have the OS manage all that for me? I've been reading the following blog writeup at OWC which describes how this would be done:

http://blog.macsales.com/17624-os-x...tup-option-for-non-fusion-drive-equipped-macs

A 2007-era MacBook running Mountain Lion with a Fusion Drive setup would be great, and would extend the life of my trusty ol' laptop that much more. Any insights would be appreciated.

Technically it's quiet possible as the Fusion Drive is a software only storage management. Both of the disks being included (might work with more) are automatically split into three partitions. 1st: The efi-boot partition, 2nd: the part which will be your shared storage, and 3rd the boot helper partition the efi is directed to, to initialize the boot process until your main system can continue booting (as soon as the file system can be read, which can't be done by the efi itself).

As it is software related your success will depend on the System your using. For you it seems to be limited on ML 32 bit for now. This means, that you will have to use Apples beta release of the CoreStorage drivers (responsible for the FusionDrive management), as they are part of the /System/Library/Extensions/ Folder which will be replaced be an old, but 32bit compatible one during the MLPF installation process.
So all depends on the quality of those beta-drivers.

For me, running a 64bit enabled system the Fusion Drive works flawlessly I think... 2 times it actually got corrupted by now, but both times this happened to me after tweaking around with the system to enable iMessage. Once the ACLs got totally corrupted and were unrepairable somehow, and the other time this happened was after I mounted the Volume from an externally booted 32 bit ML installation.
This makes me think you could have some trouble (it's worth trying), but as you will create the FusionDrive from an 32bit enabled Installation tool everything might work seamlessly.

I hope you will try and post your results to support the community.


Here is my FusionDrive enabled officially unsupported system:

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@ hackerwayne & MLforAll - I don't actually now about your plans, but what about releasing the next/following version of MLPF with an 64bit install partition for any mac, as all models being unofficially supported can boot them. Afterwards, you still can copy over the 32bit enabled Extensions folder (and all the other stuff) - but during the installation the number of failures/errors may get reduced.

Another (unwanted) bug report:
at least for me hibernating (deep sleep) does not work at all. If the battery is running low my MacBook just shuts down and if I enable this as my default sleep mode it will restart. Anyway I don't know, wether it's Mountain Lion 64bit on 32bit efi related, caused by the FusionDrive, only related to Mountain Lion, or something totally different... Maybe someone can report on this.

 

[Rastafabi]

Jihaaa

I got my Mac booted via Clover (efi, not legacy) which enables editing serial number and much more.

Currently my MacBook Pro shows up as a white MacBook.
What works:
Everything that worked prior to Clover booting. (Including FusionDrive)

What to do:
Edit Clover to dress the mac be a Mountain Lion compatible model
Right no I don't have any boot screen until I reach the desktop (and the efi boot-drive selector)... Once I booted the system, once I accidentally booted the OS X install drive...

Why doing this/Benefits?
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this is useful for macs with MLPF 64bit
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enabling all iCloud features,
solving slow boot times

Why Clover and not Chimera/Chameleon? (Hackintosh boot-loader)
Clover supports UEFI booting, and as there are some 32bit UEFIs out there it's 32bit EFI enabled, which makes it the perfect choice for some unsupported mac models - due to efi booting you don't need to use the slow Legacy (Bootcamp's BIOS mode) required by the other boot-loader.

I need help...
I hope here's anyone with (at least a bit) knowledge in the Hackintosh world to restore the clover boot-screen and to edit anything needed to make it work as it should .



EDIT:
faster boottimes, somehow verbose mode (no DSMOS, still another [new] issue)
still no iMessage
now I have the Clover GUI

EDIT:
Boot-times shrinked about one third (still slower then it could be)
couldn't enable iMessage until now... :'(

 

[hackerwayne]

Jihaaa

I got my Mac booted via Clover (efi, not legacy) which enables editing serial number and much more.

Currently my MacBook Pro shows up as a white MacBook.
What works:
Everything that worked prior to Clover booting. (Including FusionDrive)

What to do:
Edit Clover to dress the mac be a Mountain Lion compatible model
Right no I don't have any boot screen until I reach the desktop (and the efi boot-drive selector)... Once I booted the system, once I accidentally booted the OS X install drive...

Why doing this/Benefits?
----------
this is useful for macs with MLPF 64bit
----------
enabling all iCloud features,
solving slow boot times

Why Clover and not Chimera/Chameleon? (Hackintosh boot-loader)
Clover supports UEFI booting, and as there are some 32bit UEFIs out there it's 32bit EFI enabled, which makes it the perfect choice for some unsupported mac models - due to efi booting you don't need to use the slow Legacy (Bootcamp's BIOS mode) required by the other boot-loader.

I need help...
I hope here's anyone with (at least a bit) knowledge in the Hackintosh world to restore the clover boot-screen and to edit anything needed to make it work as it should .



EDIT:
faster boottimes, somehow verbose mode (no DSMOS, still another [new] issue)
still no iMessage
now I have the Clover GUI

EDIT:
Boot-times shrinked about one third (still slower then it could be)
couldn't enable iMessage until now... :'(

Not something for end users. So probably won't work on that.

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Technically it's quiet possible as the .......

Focus on 32-bit. No plan on releasing 64-bit fully working system until 10.9. You guys just ruining the chances of being able to run 10.9 on your system.

Obviously i had 64-bit version working, on the X3100. See my previous posted picture. I refuse to talk about it because i said i wanted to save that method for 10.9. So i hope you stop all developments for 64-bit now.

 

[boldan28]

Understood. Hope it works on ML when it comes out as well.

 

[Rastafabi]

Not something for end users. So probably won't work on that.

Actually is nothing more than copying preconfigured files to any drive connected to the computer. You can boot this anyway, even if not being internally. Managed to "theme" may MacBook Pro as any other mac.
Actually there are 6 Mac families being supported (Mac Pro, Mac Mini, Xserve, MacBook Air, MacBook, MacBook Pro) by you, and (at least for now) only 3 Familys are capable of running 64 bit, so you only would have to make 3 config plist and a dialog for the user to chose one (Mac Pro, MacBook Pro, Xserve).
Of course it's your choice, but I just realised that there is no hacking required ones you know, how Clover works (install in UFI mode with default settings actually works - editing the config.plist is easy to as there are many hackintosh tools - I used Champlist).

64 bit: I did not thought about releasing 64 bit right now. Only running the installer in 64 bit mode, bur booting the system in 32 bit - the installer does not need any graphics acceleration.

 

[sumyunguy]

Question: With the impending release of 0.3 is there any reason/benefit for currently working systems to upgrade to the new version once released?

 

[tivimac]

Yes...

Question: With the impending release of 0.3 is there any reason/benefit for currently working systems to upgrade to the new version once released?

As Wayne previously posted, the .3 will bring Airdrop and Samba (windows shares) along with bugfixes for the current version.

If you connect to windows machines (or linux) this will complete the compatibility of ML in those 2006-2008 machines...

 

[AnonMac50]

Not something for end users. So probably won't work on that.

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Focus on 32-bit. No plan on releasing 64-bit fully working system until 10.9. You guys just ruining the chances of being able to run 10.9 on your system.

Obviously i had 64-bit version working, on the X3100. See my previous posted picture. I refuse to talk about it because i said i wanted to save that method for 10.9. So i hope you stop all developments for 64-bit now.

I generally say the same thing. I have a feeling my 2008 MacBook Pro will not support 10.9, and I can't allow that, so I'll be working on allowing it to work from DP1. However, if I start and release a guide for it before the Gold Master, then Apple may realize it and change it.

 

[robi62]

@rastafabi
Hi I have some knowelege on hackintosh as my machine is actually a fujitsu s6410 with x3100 running both Lion and mountainlion
My bootup is quite fast I always boot in -v verbose mode I like it better
Should you need anything let me know