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Why not run a poll and ask two questions:
1) Do you consider your nMP "truly silent"?
2) What is your age?

That would really help determine percentages and possible age factors.
 
Why not run a poll and ask two questions:
1) Do you consider your nMP "truly silent"?
2) What is your age?

That would really help determine percentages and possible age factors.
The thing is, such a poll won't show anything.
1. Not all nMP would exhibit coil whine (unless every single one has an issue with components or there's a manufacturing defect and the assembly line needs to be modified, both very unlikely imo).
2. Age then becomes irrelevant because you don't have anything to really associate it with.

To make a poll you'd need to get a nMP that exhibits coil whine and let people listen, then you could potentially judge how age affects it.
 
It's not related to age!

Why not run a poll and ask two questions:
1) Do you consider your nMP "truly silent"?
2) What is your age?

That would really help determine percentages and possible age factors.

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I do not agree at all.
I believe some machines have this noise problem and others have none.
I can hear every noise file that some people have recorded and put in this forum.
I am 69 years old.
Accordingly the noise frequency cannot be truly high and age is not the determining factor.
Either a certain computer makes that noise or it is truly silent.
Since this computer has no optical drive and no spinning hard disk, nothing moves inside it besides the single optimized fan.
Therefore I cannot understand how any sound, besides the subtle whisper of warm air, which I certainly do not consider to be a "noise" can happen at all !!!
I hope Apple finds the solution!
 
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For me I can easily replicate the issue by doing the following:
1. Open a photo in CS6
2. Filter/blur/field blur
3. A little circle shows up in the middle of the photo. I place my pointer onto the circle, hold down the track pad and move my finger up and down to increase, decrease the blur and as I do that the machine exhibits the screeching coil whine pretty bad. Whats interesting is if I move the photoshop window more toward the right side of the screen then it doesn't do it. I wonder if its using a different GPU and its one of the GPUs that has a bad coil etc. My return date is March 28th, If Apple has not come up with anything by then its going back.
 
THAT'S the dreaded "coil whine"? That's what mine sounds like, it certainly doesn't sound like a coil or capacitor that is singing. It's sounds like the fan spindle or some such. Coils/caps are much higher frequency.

Regardless I can't believe the excitement is over this, that's inaudible unless my ear is right on top of it, as that recording sounds.
To be honest, it took me a second listen to hear them in the recording, but there are two different sounds that are audible (again, I think it's a quite good recording because I didn't think the noise would have been able to be captured). The first is the somewhat mechanical noise that some have described as sounding like a small spinning hard drive. The second is a high-pitched squeal, not terribly unlike an old CRT TV. If you turn up the volume of the "mouse" recording and listen, especially toward the second half, you can hear the squeal clearly because it's intermittent.

I've noticed the first "mechanical" noise with my nMP. I have not been able to hear the high-pitched squeal. I will say though that noises like the second one are more easily masked, though -- it's possible that due to the location of the my computer or what's around it that that squeal is simply being successfully physically "blocked."

I easily could see how someone could miss hearing that second noise even if it's indeed present.

FWIW I did a short unscientific test last night with a tone generator app on my nMP and evidently I'm still able to hear up to 18.8kHz (I'm 41). So I'm not totally deaf yet!
 
I have a good .m4a recording. How do I upload it?

Seems like this site and youtube doesn't accept this type of file.


For me I can easily replicate the issue by doing the following:
1. Open a photo in CS6
2. Filter/blur/field blur
3. A little circle shows up in the middle of the photo. I place my pointer onto the circle, hold down the track pad and move my finger up and down to increase, decrease the blur and as I do that the machine exhibits the screeching coil whine pretty bad. Whats interesting is if I move the photoshop window more toward the right side of the screen then it doesn't do it. I wonder if its using a different GPU and its one of the GPUs that has a bad coil etc. My return date is March 28th, If Apple has not come up with anything by then its going back.
 
Your hearing isn't as good as mine, that's fine, but for people with better hearing this is very audible

That was a silly thing to say. Years of ear training as a professional classical musician tell me that hearing is far more subjective (that is, filtered and distorted by your brain) than you guys know. Treating the ear as a simple microphone and saying things like "my microphone is better than yours" is wrong.

The first is the somewhat mechanical noise that some have described as sounding like a small spinning hard drive. The second is a high-pitched squeal, not terribly unlike an old CRT TV.

Sure, I hear it. I also remember how computers used to sound, and how every other computer on the market sounds. I also have three circular desks with me in the middle, and the desk right next to the nMP has a recent mini on it. Guess what? It's actually audible (it has a 2.5" spinner disk in it still) unlike the nMP.

Whatever guys, best of luck to you on this one - seriously. Apple has a dB spec and while I haven't measured it I'm sure it's within their specification. If the "coil whine" really bugs you maybe a bit of sound dampening will help.I did this, I got one of the 10m Corning optical Thunderbolt cables, so I could put the Pegasus2 4 bay (with SSD's not spinners even) back in a equipment cabinet, because I didn't want the clutter OR the noise. The nMP is heaven as far as I'm concerned.
 
That was a silly thing to say. Years of ear training as a professional classical musician tell me that hearing is far more subjective (that is, filtered and distorted by your brain) than you guys know. Treating the ear as a simple microphone and saying things like "my microphone is better than yours" is wrong.
This isn't music, it's as simple as frequencies. Either you hear them or you don't, or do you suggest that hearing tests are wrong and doesn't work due to how people experience the samples?

My last PC build was far more quiet than the Mac Pro, it also occupied a lot more space and didn't run OSX. But "every other computer on the market" doesn't give away high pitched squeals. Thinking Apple has some magical spec they follow is naive, if that were the case they wouldn't acknowledge the problem at all (also, do you really suggest they put every single machine in a sound proof chamber and measure it?).
 
For me I can easily replicate the issue by doing the following:
1. Open a photo in CS6
2. Filter/blur/field blur
3. A little circle shows up in the middle of the photo. I place my pointer onto the circle, hold down the track pad and move my finger up and down to increase, decrease the blur and as I do that the machine exhibits the screeching coil whine pretty bad. Whats interesting is if I move the photoshop window more toward the right side of the screen then it doesn't do it. I wonder if its using a different GPU and its one of the GPUs that has a bad coil etc. My return date is March 28th, If Apple has not come up with anything by then its going back.

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May I ask why a certain date is your "return date" and
if you mean by "going back" to try to get a replacement nMP
or to ask Apple to repair it?
 
Return for a refund date is March 28.

1) the coil whine has kind of put me off and Im not sure I want o deal with repairs or Exchanges and maybe get one that doesn't do it. (Apples fault)

2) I not 100% certain I need this much power now after receiving the machine. (My fault)





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May I ask why a certain date is your "return date" and
if you mean by "going back" to try to get a replacement nMP
or to ask Apple to repair it?
 
My nMP sits on the desk about three feet from me, and I can not hear it one bit without getting up and putting an ear right on top of it, and then all I hear is a gentle "whirrrr" of air.

It is definitely the most silent computer I have ever owned.
 
I really have to try hard to hear anything but the fan when under a load and even then I don't hear it lol.
Otherwise it is nice and quiet the way I wanted it.
 
Sure, I hear it. I also remember how computers used to sound, and how every other computer on the market sounds. I also have three circular desks with me in the middle, and the desk right next to the nMP has a recent mini on it. Guess what? It's actually audible (it has a 2.5" spinner disk in it still) unlike the nMP.
I'm not sure what point you're trying to make by quoting me; all I was pointing out is that it's possible that some people can't hear/don't notice/don't care about the higher-pitched sound. I can hear it in the recording, can't hear it on my nMP, and don't care either way because the noises that my computer does make don't bother me in the least.

Leave me out of it.
 
Döes Apple acknowledge the noise problem?

This isn't music, it's as simple as frequencies. Either you hear them or you don't, or do you suggest that hearing tests are wrong and doesn't work due to how people experience the samples?

My last PC build was far more quiet than the Mac Pro, it also occupied a lot more space and didn't run OSX. But "every other computer on the market" doesn't give away high pitched squeals. Thinking Apple has some magical spec they follow is naive, if that were the case they wouldn't acknowledge the problem at all (also, do you really suggest they put every single machine in a sound proof chamber and measure it?).

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I am very eager to know if Apple has truly acknowledged this noise matter.
Would you please elaborate on it.
Did they actually told you they are aware that such a bug exists in their nMP?
Thank you in advance for your answer!
 
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I am very eager to know if Apple has truly acknowledged this noise matter.
Would you please elaborate on it.
Did they actually told you they are aware that such a bug exists in their nMP?
Thank you in advance for your answer!
It's not like there's an official statement on Apple.com, but the information my contact person received from the engineers is that it's a known issue and there's no resolution for it (as in they didn't have a way of fixing the machine). This doesn't mean you can't fix coil whine or that the engineers doesn't know what causes it etc, it's most likely just about getting processes in place.

As someone mentioned in the other thread, the architecture the Dxx series are based on had a lot of coil whine issues on the PC side of things, wouldn't surprise me if it was related.
 
Fan spindles aren't affected by people moving their mice, electronics however are. Also, you can't solely rely on a recording with a simple Snowball microphone that has been severely amplified to really tell you how the sound is experienced in real life.

Your hearing isn't as good as mine, that's fine, but for people with better hearing this is very audible, even at long distances (for me it's as intense at 10cm as it is at 150cm), hence the "excitement".

You can't be sure that your hearing is better. Maybe his Mac Pro doesn't have this noise as loud as yours.
 
Since its high pitched, most likely not heard easily by those of us who are 35+.

Anyone care to answer wildmac?

I'm in my early 20's ... like I said before my teacher has a nMP, and Ive seen him use it in his completely silent office using lightwave with VPR enabled scrubbing through an animation and its dead quiet even though VPR leverages all his cores.

think its a hex with d700s

he claimed his 8 core with d700s at home is just as silent
 
It has been sitting on my desk for over 2 months. The quietest Mac I have owned.

Stock 6-corre
 
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Almost noiseless...

MacPro 6,1 specs

12-core
64GB RAM
D700s
1TB PCIe flash-based storage

My son aged 46 and me aged 70 really find this Mac Pro close to being noiseless under all kinds of workloads we've run on it since Feb 24th 2014.
 
Any noise from my stock 6-core is completely drowned out by the whirr of the Caldigit T3 RAID, which is stowed in an open-backed cabinet. Together the two are much quieter than my old Mac Pro 3,1 tower.
 
Mine has the whine - 8c, D700. It's in a recording studio so it's pretty annoying, since I have almost negative ambient noise levels in the room. Really drills into my brain!

120V electrical here, I think (Oregon).

Will definitely contact Apple and give a +1 to the engineers for this issue.
 
Your configuration please

It has been sitting on my desk for over 2 months. The quietest Mac I have owned.

Please give the configuration of your silent computer.
Thanks!

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I really have to try hard to hear anything but the fan when under a load and even then I don't hear it lol.
Otherwise it is nice and quiet the way I wanted it.

Please give the configuration of your silent computer.
Thanks!
 
It's not like there's an official statement on Apple.com, but the information my contact person received from the engineers is that it's a known issue and there's no resolution for it (as in they didn't have a way of fixing the machine). This doesn't mean you can't fix coil whine or that the engineers doesn't know what causes it etc, it's most likely just about getting processes in place.

As someone mentioned in the other thread, the architecture the Dxx series are based on had a lot of coil whine issues on the PC side of things, wouldn't surprise me if it was related.
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Do you mean by "getting processes in place" not causing any delay in the production line?
It's hard to believe that Apple is aware of it but cannot solve it, unless shipping the largest quantity of machines as soon as possible to get the money for them might be their present priority and they leave any bug solution to the future.
Difficult to believe that supposition from a quality committed company like Apple!
 
Yes totally silent even under heavy load. My ears are excellent I can hear very high frequency up to 20kHz and above.

I only hear the promise pegasus2 fans, and they are reasonably quiet but I had to put the enclosure in a cupboard, but the mac pro is welcome on the desktop.

Config is stock 6-core.
 
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Do you mean by "getting processes in place" not causing any delay in the production line?
It's hard to believe that Apple is aware of it but cannot solve it, unless shipping the largest quantity of machines as soon as possible to get the money for them might be their present priority and they leave any bug solution to the future.
Difficult to believe that supposition from a quality committed company like Apple!
Depending on how they want solve it it can be different things, one is to change things at the factory lines, making sure all components pass, it seems like an expensive endeavor though. I think repair protocols needs to be created so that everyone follows the same guide lines, it doesn't seem like that's done yet.

You have to remember that coil whine can be a problem in all electronics, it's not really about Apple here since they're not building all of the components themselves but rather works as an assembly plant. Stopping production for a non-fatal problem that isn't affecting all computers would be insane.

It's a common idea that Apple has higher quality controls than other companies, in my experience it's just not true. Just look at the 2012 Retina Macbooks, the iPads and the iPhones, all plagued with various problems that would've been easily spotted in the most basic of quality controls. It's just not viable from an economical perspective to have good QC in the production line, it's better to let people do exchanges and/or repairs.
 
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