Congrats, we all know that ATT has the fastest 3G speeds but I think the argument is that it's coverage area is abysmal. The nation's fastest 3G network is not very fast when there's no coverage
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Has Anyone Held Out For Years Waiting For it to Come To VERIZON?
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Congrats, we all know that ATT has the fastest 3G speeds but I think the argument is that it's coverage area is abysmal. The nation's fastest 3G network is not very fast when there's no coverage
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Congrats, we all know that ATT has the fastest 3G speeds but I think the argument is that it's coverage area is abysmal. The nation's fastest 3G network is not very fast when there's no coverage
which is why Apple wont give into the hyped V til they speed up their 3G... but by that time, AT&T will have a wider coverage and switching will be a nonsensical decision.
Congrats, we all know that ATT has the fastest 3G speeds but I think the argument is that it's coverage area is abysmal. The nation's fastest 3G network is not very fast when there's no coverage
Coverage is excellent in my area. That's all that matters to me.
I don't travel thruout the whole US on a regular basis.
which is why Apple wont give into the hyped V til they speed up their 3G... but by that time, AT&T will have a wider coverage and switching will be a nonsensical decision.
At this rate Verizon will have more LTE coverage than AT&T will have 3G coverage. Verizon isn't looking to speed up their 3G, they're investing millions into turning up 4G and will have it going in some markets before the end of the year.
Also don't believe the rumor that AT&T's upgrade will be easier to LTE than Verizon's. LTE is a new technology for both carriers, so it doesn't matter if the underlying technology is GSM or CDMA, both require a complete network overhaul from the ground up.
I believe the rumors with AT&T's upgrade will be easier is coming from they did this type of upgrade before with their 3G(GSM) whereas Verizon when they went to 3G - a lot of it was just software upgrades and not physical hardware upgrades...thus why they were able to roll out 3G faster...thus why they have more coverage.
We'll see how it all plays out but as it goes with the iPhone and verizon, I don't see Apple putting a CDMA back-up chip for Verizon's back-up 3G when Verizon is on 4G. They could...but then I would ask why don't they just make a 3G capable CDMA iPhone right now then? So unless they put in that CDMA back-up chip and they come out with say the iPhone on Verizon in 2011, their coverage won't be good at all which might make Apple wait until say 2012 when their 4G coverage is decent.
It will be interesting to see what happens. Like I said before, I had Verizon and liked it. And I'm be dumb to pretend Verizon doesn't have good coverage, it does and is definitely better than AT&T. I was just in California and in some rural areas, I have NO coverage but I would say most of that time, my mom(with Verizon) had no coverage too. But there was a few times she had 1X and I have nothing at all...not even Edge or anything. Not a huge surprise to me. So if you're traveling a lot and need coverage, Verizon is the way to go....get a Blackberry. But if you just travel for leisure like me, AT&T coverage for the most part was good in California compared to Verizon(was in the Santa Rosa area - lost coverage north on route 1 near the Anderson Valley). And my coverage in my area(Chicago) is excellent! So I am very happy with AT&T. It definitely depends on the person's situation and where they live. I feel sorry for the people who live in rural areas and don't even have the choice to get an iPhone, I agree....doesn't seem fair at all but that's business and the world we live in.
It will be intesting to see how the whole 4G rollout goes and when exactly Verizon gets the iPhone. I'm just looking forward to the new iPhone coming out this June/July!!!
Verizon's upgrade from 1x to 3G (EVDO) required physical new hardware at each cell site, so they've played the same game as AT&T. The upgrade from EVDO to EVDO Rev. A was a software update.
Verizon announced yesterday that LTE testing is it it's final phase and will be done in 60 days. They will be pushing out commercial products after that, so by this summer we should start seeing Verizon sell products that use LTE.
Verizon announced yesterday that LTE testing is it it's final phase and will be done in 60 days. They will be pushing out commercial products after that, so by this summer we should start seeing Verizon sell products that use LTE.
I live in the Cleveland, OH area and had been a Verizon customer dating back to the days of Airtouch. I too, was holding out for a Verizon iPhone, largely due to fears about the AT&T network. This year I began shopping the Droid and it's plans at Verizon and the iPhone and it's plans at AT&T. What I found consistently is that the Verizon reps, don't really know their products, and at times, are too arrogant to be helpful (why would anyone leave the Verizon network, etc). Between two different corporate stores, and a phone call to their customer service department, I received three different answers to my questions around their plans, and the hardware. Furthermore, the reps in the corporate stores, didn't want to be bothered with me, and wouldn't actually spend time calculating the costs, and would just simply cast out approximations. In contrast, the AT&T store salesman new his product inside and out. When I first started talking to him, I was upfront that I wasn't purchasing a phone for at least another month, and was looking to stay with my current carrier. Nonetheless, he took well over an hour to work out the exact pricing of the all the phone equipment, plans, options, etc. I left the AT&T store knowing precisely what I would pay if I chose them, and he even went as far as discovering that I qualified for a discount through my employer. In the end, I chose the iPhone for my wife and I and we couldn't be happier. I will concede, when you get into remote areas, the coverage is lacking compare to Verizon. But in the Cleveland area and surrounding suburbs, no complaints about the coverage and I couldn't be happier with my choice.
I'm waiting for two things before I buy an iphone: service on Verizon and a slide out keypad since I have fat fingers that don't work well on touchscreens and I love texting. In other words, I will never get an iphone.
I'm waiting for two things before I buy an iphone: service on Verizon and a slide out keypad since I have fat fingers that don't work well on touchscreens and I love texting. In other words, I will never get an iphone.
Pretty much your right.
it is true that Big V is more hype than actual quality... and that is because when it comes to coverage to pricing ratio, that have it really good! I tend to trust companies that are not all hype.... so far, one of the only companies, EVER, that have been able to bring MORE to the table than their hype claims is Apple.... I admit. The hype had me in... the keynotes and research kept me!
I really dont think iPhone will ever go to Big V (or have a slide-out keyboard)... but it does have the ability for you to speak to it and it does what u want... (for those of u who want that keyboard....) Besides.. keyboard is in landscape now... that makes it a lot better for big-fingered people...
I really dont think iPhone will ever go to Big V (or have a slide-out keyboard)... but it does have the ability for you to speak to it and it does what u want... (for those of u who want that keyboard....) Besides.. keyboard is in landscape now... that makes it a lot better for big-fingered people...
In the Bay Area I can't stand AT&T. I had an iPhone, and later a Blackberry when it broke, but I would have at least 3 dropped calls a day and wouldn't get coverage in some parts of the city.
It was depressing and odd. Unlike the other poster AT&T was never friendly or helpful with me. They constantly gave us wrong information that resulted in $800 in overage charges.
Anyway, Verizon has satisfied my needs and I certainly hope the iPhone comes to Verizon. I guess the Droid can satisfy me until then.
I'm absolutely sure Apple wouldn't mind making a CDMA phone because there are other CDMA carriers in the world. Plus, they went to Verizon before AT&T. I'm sure Apple was and is prepared to make multiple versions of the iPhone to get it into the hands of as many people as possible.
It was depressing and odd. Unlike the other poster AT&T was never friendly or helpful with me. They constantly gave us wrong information that resulted in $800 in overage charges.
Anyway, Verizon has satisfied my needs and I certainly hope the iPhone comes to Verizon. I guess the Droid can satisfy me until then.
I'm absolutely sure Apple wouldn't mind making a CDMA phone because there are other CDMA carriers in the world. Plus, they went to Verizon before AT&T. I'm sure Apple was and is prepared to make multiple versions of the iPhone to get it into the hands of as many people as possible.
His Holiness the Steve is known for being very vindictive. So as far as I am concerned, Verizon told Apple to take a hike when Apple was looking for a partner in their first iPhone. His Holiness does not toad things like this lightly and smites where ir hurts more.
Ok enough idiotic things, Verizon will not get the iPhone any time soon. As far as the 2010s go, not close or as longs as Mr. Jobs is at the helm. Remember, Jobs doesn't like it when they (companies) bash his creations. Verizon had Their chance and screwed it, which is why I believe Verizons board of directors mut have wanted to tear apart from the rear their CEO when the iPhone was such a success.
The ironic thing is that ATT didn't sign up right away either.
According to the WSJ and other histories, the iPhone was just a vague idea when Apple went to Verizon in mid 2005. No mobile OSX, no hardware, no dedicated project. In other words, nothing to show Verizon except a weird business plan that heavily favored Apple.
ATT knew about the iPhone idea even before that in early 2005, but they didn't sign with Apple until mid 2006, when the project was well along. Quite a different situation.
The end result is that Android has gotten a good foothold with the U.S. carriers that Apple ignored, and now even ATT is bringing out Android and Palm handsets.
According to the WSJ and other histories, the iPhone was just a vague idea when Apple went to Verizon in mid 2005. No mobile OSX, no hardware, no dedicated project. In other words, nothing to show Verizon except a weird business plan that heavily favored Apple.
ATT knew about the iPhone idea even before that in early 2005, but they didn't sign with Apple until mid 2006, when the project was well along. Quite a different situation.
The end result is that Android has gotten a good foothold with the U.S. carriers that Apple ignored, and now even ATT is bringing out Android and Palm handsets.
No, there was an idea. Every carrier got the same treatment, some general idea + business model. Steve said in his keynote that the final product (the iPhone) was not viewed except by key 24 people and AT&T exects much around late 06 (after AT&T said they were very interested). Moreover, Steve said that if negotiations with AT&T failed, Apple would buy bulk minutes and be its own carrier. However, Apple did tell Verizon, we are making a phone and this is how it might work and this is our business model. Verizon was not in the dark about this and gave up their chance.
Verizon said screw you and Jobs walked out. I would bet everything I have right now that if Verizon had the chance to go back in time to that moment they would have said yes in a heartbeat. Carriers are antiquated and are just coming into the 21st century light. AT&T was pioneer in that. Let the phone maker decide, rather than the carrier. True it wasn't a self-motivated thing, but hey! It worked. Now all handset makers are the ones doing the decisions, not the carriers.
Umm, you don't know much about Verizon if you think they're crying on their pillow or letting the handset makers make all the decisions. Verizon could not be in a much better position than they are now, even with the iPhone. I don't think that Verizon was enamored by the thought of millions of 15-year olds swamping their network with BS at the expense of their high revenue customers. In the meantime Verizon has had the time (and revenue) to continue building out its network for the long haul, while AT&T will lose a swath of customers as soon as they are not forced to remain on AT&T because of iPhone exclusivity, whether that happens this year, next year or the year after.
Even if the iPhone was on ALL carriers, the manufactories losing there market-share would end up needing to make there own iPhone clone OSs so android getting a foothold was inevitable, since it is the only platform coming even remotely close to the iPhone and most importantly FREE.
With that being said androids presence is really insignificant. Googles business model with the whole android system is awful and doomed for some kind of failure.
The hype with Verizon are the fanboys. AT&T does fine and just like every other provider, it has flaws.
iPhone will never have a keyboard. . . that's a step back and I actually love the touch screen! I find it difficult and obsolete to text on a keypad.
Besides after down playing Apple in, mostly all of their commercials it's going to make both companies look foolish to "some how come to a mutual agreement"
iPhone will never have a keyboard. . . that's a step back and I actually love the touch screen! I find it difficult and obsolete to text on a keypad.
Besides after down playing Apple in, mostly all of their commercials it's going to make both companies look foolish to "some how come to a mutual agreement"
I'm beginning to feel like my parents who never learned to program a vcr and still have no idea why they don't need a tape for their fancy dvr.... I love to text, would love an iphone and all those aps, I just can't get used to a touch screen. I borrow my friends iphone all the time to check it out and just get frustrated by how I can't scroll properly and type out a text as quickly as I can with my phone. As for At&T vs Verizon. I find that everybody at work who finally gets an iphone, always complain about the lack of signal here and there in our building. BUT they are the only ones walking around the building, seeing if they can get a good signal. If no big deal was ever made about At&t's service, they wouldn't be looking for something to complain about. I'm sure my verizon phone loses bars all the time, I'm just not staring at it all day!
If that ever happens, and by the looks of things right now, you are in for a long wait. Also, Verizon's all so powerful network is all the fanboy hype, there is no magic in and it will not stand the iPhone's traffic for even a day.
Trust me, I've felt like this before. I just didn't give up and over time I managed (Well my fingers managed) to become better. I now text just as fast or faster then my friends with Blackberries and other phones with keypads.
And yet ATT didn't sign with Apple until a YEAR AFTER Apple had gone to Verizon, even though ATT knew about the idea BEFORE Verizon did.
So ATT didn't jump on a vague idea either. When ATT finally signed, Apple could actually say they had something being worked on, not just an idea.
A rather overly dramatic version of events
First, there's been no story that Jobs himself ever approached Verizon.
And it wasn't all decided in one meeting. According to various articles, Apple talked to Verizon off and on for months, until Apple finally gave up. By all accounts, they were friendly meetings.
Verizon stated back when the iPhone was announced that they had nothing against it or Apple, they just couldn't come to terms.
In more recent comments (which could be just sour grapes), Verizon said they never thought Apple was serious. Apparently Verizon thought Apple was just trying to drive a harder bargain with ATT.
I know, last quarter was tough for Verizon.
For their wireless division, they only added 2.2 million new customers, and their revenues for Q4 2009 were only up 22.4% over Q4 2008. Their churn was a staggering 1.06%. Poor guys, I feel sorry for them doing so badly.