Apple filled the gap between iPad-9 and iPad-Air, and made the Pros faster and gave them a feature illustrators will like. Prices remained the same in the US.
What a horrible company they are. /s
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All iPads Has Apple finally done it this year?
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What a horrible company they are. /s
I will not support the new European prices. I wanted to buy the new iPad to replace my 5th generation iPad. But the 200€ buyers penalty on top made me cancel my decision. And i won't buy the 9th generation either, as it is old fashioned now that Apple successfully copied the android tablets camera position in landscape and real stereo speaker placement.
I really liked Apple, but here in Europe the prices are beyond everything that could justify a purchase now. Just for entertainment and streaming, any Android tablet offers the same or more at a much cheaper price. Same goes for telephones.
It was ok to pay a little extra for 5 to 6 years of updates. But it's not ok paying that much extra like they want nowadays.
I don't think Apples iPad sales will look good in this and the coming year. Whatever forum you look into, the people who agree with the price politics are literally below 1%. In former years the majority always justified it with partly grotesque excuses. But this year Apple made it that even die hard fanboys suddenly woke up and feel betrayed. The 10th iPad has the worst image a product from Apple ever had and it isn't even in the shelves. Christmas sales gonna tank, as going for a 9th is throwing money in the bin, and going for a 10th isn't worth it during a continental recession. Those 200€ can be spend a lot better.
I really liked Apple, but here in Europe the prices are beyond everything that could justify a purchase now. Just for entertainment and streaming, any Android tablet offers the same or more at a much cheaper price. Same goes for telephones.
It was ok to pay a little extra for 5 to 6 years of updates. But it's not ok paying that much extra like they want nowadays.
I don't think Apples iPad sales will look good in this and the coming year. Whatever forum you look into, the people who agree with the price politics are literally below 1%. In former years the majority always justified it with partly grotesque excuses. But this year Apple made it that even die hard fanboys suddenly woke up and feel betrayed. The 10th iPad has the worst image a product from Apple ever had and it isn't even in the shelves. Christmas sales gonna tank, as going for a 9th is throwing money in the bin, and going for a 10th isn't worth it during a continental recession. Those 200€ can be spend a lot better.
Great for American’s, chuffed for them
UK prices would have held too if the pound hadn't crashed. Expectations are pound parity with the dollar by the end of the year, maybe even lower.
I completely agree. For me it was the same, I was wanting to upgrade my 2017 iMac, and was ready to pay $2k-$3k, which is quite a lot of money, then I realized with Mac Studio + Display its basically $4k for what I want and now I have extra cables and a box on my desk. Less elegant, more expensive, still not upgradable (and still 60hz monitor). Maybe a future iMac Pro will improve this, but the pricing really killed what otherwise would have been an easy buy from me.
I've been the biggest Apple fan in all my friend groups, family etc. Converted my whole family to iPhones. I even worked there as an engineer. Now, the ecosystem which I used to brag about, feels more and more like a prison.
I think this is a huge mistake Cook and leadership is making. The extra quarterly earnings they make with these convoluted and expensive product lines is not worth the long term growth a happy core user base can provide, particularly when you consider the evangelism / networking effect of superfans. It seems to me they're forgetting everything Jobs ever valued about product strategy, and particularly what the Innovators Dilemma talks about.
Consider, Jobs knew the iPhone would eat iPod sales, but did it anyway, because he saw how technology was progressing. Would Apple of today ever rebuild iCloud on decentralized storage to offer cloud storage for free? Would they make an iPad that can run macOS or iPadOS depending if its docked and risk losing mac sales? No, the leadership today has shown they won't, and unless they change eventually they will bleed users as better options replace them. Right now though, there are no better options yet IMO, and who knows Apple leadership could change, so I'm still here, but if they don't and something better comes along, I'll switch. That alone is something I never would have said 10 years ago.
If you think the posters on Apple forums make up 1% of Apple's sales, I have a bridge to sell you.
@Audentia
Great post -- it all resonates with me also
Tim is just not a product guy and is running things so differently than Steve (or really any founder/product person usually would). One really frustrating thing they do now is just "keep stuff around" as opposed to offer the best they can in every slot.
For instance -- they should not be releasing any new products that use the Apple Pencil v1 anymore. The Pencil 2 is FOUR years old -- and we are still designing and releasing new iPads that use its predecessor?
It's just nonsense and not inline with making "the best products".
It's also way past time for all the iPads to have ProMotion screens and quad speakers and FaceID.
Why? Because none of that is new, and it's better and it should be on ALL new iPads. If that means culling the lineup, so be it. There are way too many products in every single lineup ... and it's a big confusing mess to navigate for consumers.
It just doesn't feel like their goal is "the best products" anymore ... but rather just to have "something" at as many price points as they can.
Yes, it's a business .. but they are going too far in this direction now.
Great post -- it all resonates with me also
Tim is just not a product guy and is running things so differently than Steve (or really any founder/product person usually would). One really frustrating thing they do now is just "keep stuff around" as opposed to offer the best they can in every slot.
For instance -- they should not be releasing any new products that use the Apple Pencil v1 anymore. The Pencil 2 is FOUR years old -- and we are still designing and releasing new iPads that use its predecessor?
It's just nonsense and not inline with making "the best products".
It's also way past time for all the iPads to have ProMotion screens and quad speakers and FaceID.
Why? Because none of that is new, and it's better and it should be on ALL new iPads. If that means culling the lineup, so be it. There are way too many products in every single lineup ... and it's a big confusing mess to navigate for consumers.
It just doesn't feel like their goal is "the best products" anymore ... but rather just to have "something" at as many price points as they can.
Yes, it's a business .. but they are going too far in this direction now.
Don’t get me wrong the price increases outside the US are ridiculous and I think Apple could have strategically accepted less of a margin to soften the impact.Great for American’s, chuffed for them
Well said. I don't think Apple is really "at risk" of losing customers, per se, but they do seem to be intent on trying to get people to purchase as many products across the lineup as possible (MacBook, iPad, iPhone, etc). That's fine, as long as they provide value for it. I think they do, for a lot of users, but the idea of artificially limiting one product to encourage the sales of another is something that I don't think Steve Jobs would have been quite as keen on.
And yet, here you are complaining to @the-Real-Deal82😂
And yet, here I am and complaining to your post😂
Sorry, didn't mean to start anything mate, I just thought it was a little funny😉😊
It’s impossible to live in the UK and not be aware of the state of the Pound. I expect Apple products to have a £500-£1000 price increase by this time next year once Apple adjusts its prices a few percent above inflation.
My daughter just bought a 9th gen iPad as the 10th gen got a £130 price increase. What’s wrong with the 9th though? It’s got a decent spec for just £299. Not sure how it is ‘old fashioned’? It’s got a couple of features my iPad Air doesn’t have like Centre Stage etc.
I think that is why people are angry here. Apple could have adjusted their margins, but decided to go for maximum profit. I think it’ll bite Apple though as people resist the price hikes by not upgrading or trying other products that offer better value. 2022 was my upgrade year and I’ve not bought a single 2022 product. I think a lot of people will eventually be forced away from Apple in the coming years as I can’t ever see these ridiculous prices coming down as inflation reduces either.
So here my 13 max 256gb was $2019aud, same 14 max is $2099 so not too bad, but my 11” iPad Pro 128 I did get for $70 off, but retail was $1199 and new model is $1399, $200 more, big jump on iPads v iPhones in 1 month 😂 they also increased all iPads and accessories, far out.
Step 1
Find a competitor tablet that is anywhere near the performance of a 2-3 year old iPad, with a screen form factor that doesn't suck - never mind the software suite.
It's harder than you may suspect.
Probably the old home button and bezels, kids couldn’t care less, it’s a iPad.
That may be the case, but there is absolutely no way Apple will go back on this new pricing they've set. It'll either remain the same or go even higher.
Yeah Australia has always had the sharp end of the stick on pricing for this sort of stuff and Europe is starting to join you and feel the pain. My daughters are starting to ask for iPhones and iPads which aren’t ‘hand-me-downs’ and we won’t be able to buy new going forward.So here my 13 max 256gb was $2019aud, same 14 max is $2099 so not too bad, but my 11” iPad Pro 128 I did get for $70 off, but retail was $1199 and new model is $1399, $200 more, big jump on iPads v iPhones in 1 monththey also increased all iPads and accessories, far out.
they also increased all iPads and accessories, far out.
I don’t think kids and teenagers or even those in their early 20’s are as bothered as the older generation about the latest and greatest from my experience. It’s weird as I’d think they would be the exact generation that would care.
Learn to read again. What you fantasize about isn't written anywhere. What people say is what they say, not what you feel or believe they say!
I’m referring to the hypocrisy of the poster complaining at a poster for complaining to posters - but yes. The whole thing is just a massive complaintfest!
Except you quoted me incorrectly and accused me of doing something the poster I had quoted was doing. You didn’t even have the decency to correct yourself so the other poster in this ridiculous chain did it for you
. Anyway, we’ll complain as we all do, that’s part if the purpose of forums in the first place.For me the high pricing gets justified with perks of AC+, and software/hardware longevity. However you do not need to buy the newest and most expensive variant. I see the 12Pro refurb for $750 and that’s a stellar deal.
Example,
My iPhone 11 Pro went to my sibling (using it with 75% battery)
My iPhone 12 Pro went to my father (recently replaced under ac+)
I happily upgraded to the 14Pro even though it was $2200, next year it’ll be handed down. Their devices work longer, And the ecosystem lock in is very real. I do not like making cellular calls, they suck worldwide and facetime audio works so much easier. The emergency sos notifications and all that jazz has kept me away from android both for myself and family. It helps family isn’t wanting the bleeding edge stuff for me 😎
Example,
My iPhone 11 Pro went to my sibling (using it with 75% battery)
My iPhone 12 Pro went to my father (recently replaced under ac+)
I happily upgraded to the 14Pro even though it was $2200, next year it’ll be handed down. Their devices work longer, And the ecosystem lock in is very real. I do not like making cellular calls, they suck worldwide and facetime audio works so much easier. The emergency sos notifications and all that jazz has kept me away from android both for myself and family. It helps family isn’t wanting the bleeding edge stuff for me 😎
You may be aware of the state of the pound, but you don't appear to be aware of the consequences.
That's untrue. Apple has form for reducing prices in the UK when the pound has gained strength. I don't believe they will leave prices in the UK/EU out of step with the US once currency markets have settled down. It could be years before that happens though given the state the world is in, and the US Dollar is the world's safe haven currency hence its current strength.
Would love to know of examples when they've actively lowered prices for a product in the UK without going through a refresh cycle/annual update, because if what you're saying is true, that's genuinely encouraging.