Thousands of people have issues with Windows. Or Linux. Doesn’t mean it’s inherently a bad software. Issues happen. You don’t need to be so rude.
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Has Apple lost their mind? March 8th Event Disappointment
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Windows scaling is how I got involved in Mac's in the first place. It just worked, unlike Windows applications. I'm on my 3rd Mac Mini, and have ordered a Studio. I still need Windows for work, but at least I don't have to worry about scaling on my home machines.
I think in terms of price/performance ratio, perhaps it's okay given the figures Apple showed. Reasonable doubt should be applied; but the M1 Ultra chip with 64 GPU cores, beating a 3090? While being an iGPU? It's rather insane.
Sure the price is a lot, which is often unexplainable, but I think here it makes sense.
Sure the price is a lot, which is often unexplainable, but I think here it makes sense.
I don’t know if I’d call it inherently bad, but if forced to use Windows and it’s nagware for the rest of my days I’d tear my teeth out.
I’m impressed with the capability, mostly. The inability to add more memory is something that makes me nervous even if I understand why adding memory isn’t just popping a card into a memory slot anymore,
because memory is easily shared by the processors and graphics instead of everything needing their own memory cache that they pull in data and manipulate then place back into general program memory for other functions to be able to access. And given the speed increase I think Apple is correct. It’s just that all my experience in how much memory I need isn’t doing me much good, and what I am seeing is people are still buying as much as they can afford rather than risk not having enough. And maybe they are massively over-buying or maybe they were smart to buy it that way. I don’t have experience with ARM chips as a main processor or with Apple’s physical memory access and how it affects how much memory you need.
Totally agree (compare the Mac Studio to a similarly specced 14" MacBook Pro, it's a price difference of <300$ - yet another price hike from Apple), but get ready for people to start shilling for their favorite trillion-dollar Scrooge McDuck company. And the comparisons price-wise to Mac Pro is nonsense, for such obvious reasons, come on.
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I just wonder where you get the Holy BatBucks? I want some ?
You happens to know anyone in the bat cave, or what?
Bet it would be enough with only 1 BatBuck for whatever you buy in Apple Store. If not, Apple must have gone totally greedy mad. Which in itself is not impossible, as most of us accepted that a long time ago. As we practically pay anything for their products.
Then don’t buy from Apple.
Apple computers have usually been more expensive than other mainstream computers. My first Apple was an Apple II, back around 1981 or 82. It was twice as expensive as the TRS-80 computer that I had and more expensive than the Commodor VIC and 64 that came out within a couple of years. I think that it was more expensive than the first IBM personal computers. I know that the Macintosh computer, which I didn’t ever own, was considered high priced compared to IBM clones. I didn’t have another Apple Computer until 2008, and Apple wasn’t “cheap” then. But it did some things much better and it performed better for a longer period of time than the Windows based computers that I had been using so I have stayed with them.
It’s not purchase cost, it’s cost of ownership that I think is superior.
14" Macbook Pro 1TB SSD, 32GB RAM, M1 Max 10/24 CPU/GPU $3099
Mac Studio 1 TB SSD, 32GB RAM, M1 Max 10/24 CPU/GPU $2199
$3099 - $2199 = $900
I think you counted from the 14" with the M1 Pro
14" Macbook Pro 1TB SSD, 16GB RAM, M1 Pro 10/16 CPU/GPU $2499
$2499 - $2199 = $300
But obviously the Studio has 2x more of RAM and 1.5x more GPU cores.
I'd say even the purchase cost of these are pretty decent relative to their OEM competition.
I ment the 14" MacBook Pro (Norwegian prices btw.), and my comparison is valid. It's obvious Apple made yet another price hike, and their prices are getting really bad now.
People can make excuses for Apple about currency issues and shortages or whatever, but Apple never reverse their price hikes after a given issue is resolved. We only get more price increases on top of previous increases. Here in Norway the repeated price increases during the last few years, have basically turned Macs and iPads into niche products again (except for their outdated cheap models).
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So you don't think that saying "Apple is telling me to f*** off because they discontinued the computer I like." is being dramatic?
What is integrated between a display and a computer?
Who is forcing you to buy this stuff?
Your price comparison is flawed. The laptop comes with a display/camera/speakers. The Mac Studio does not. You need to add in that for a true price comparison... unless you know how to use a computer without a display attached to it.
For comparison the M1 Ultra has 114 billion transistors, a 3090 has 28.3 billion.
It's almost more impressive that a tiny little 3090 is going to be able to keep up with the M1 Ultra.
By already having a display(s) and keyboard/mouse? That's how my order for the Studio Max played out, no monitor or keyboard...
On the one hand, Macs feel more “personal” than other computers, which fosters an emotional connection.
On the other, when people develop that connection and feel jilted, they get mad.
I'm disappointed too.. I currently own a late 2015 27inch iMac with an upgrade i7 processor, 2TB harddisk and 24Gb RAM (16 of which I bought aftermarket for about €100). I do quite a lot of photo editing using Lightroom and Photoshop but I'm not a pro. So maybe a couple of hours every week..... And once a year I take all the family iPhone movies and make the 202x 1080p movie using iMovie. The machine is getting a bit sluggish so I was waiting for the new 27inch iMac, but it appears that it's not coming...
If I buy the studio stuff and an monitor this would cost me around €5000 (the low price one with only an upgraded SSD to 1 TB). That's just to much for my type of use. The 24inch is just to small to really comfortably edit photo's and videos. The menubars etc of Lightroom and photoshop would just leave me to little editing space. So I seem to be stuck in the middle...
If you are upset by this then this Mac obviously isn’t aimed at you and also, this is not really something to get that upset about.
I’d be more impressed if it used less power though.For comparison the M1 Ultra has 114 billion transistors, a 3090 has 28.3 billion.
It's almost more impressive that a tiny little 3090 is going to be able to keep up with the M1 Ultra.
I can't speak for Norway, but for the US I compared the cost of the 16/1TB M1 Mac Mini and the 32/1TB M1-Max Studio. Assuming that the M1-Pro would be 100 USD over the M1, the Studio is the same price as a similarly upgraded Mini.
That may be a European issue about Apple pricing. The last Apple computer that I bought was an iMac 27 inch in early 2016, it was $1899.00 for its base price. A friend that bought an iMac 27 inch in 2019 for his graphic design business bought his 27 inch iMac, whose list price still started at $1899.00. I noticed that the entry level Studio model (which doesn’t have a built in monitor) has a list price of $1899.00 dollars.
In terms of performance they aren’t equal, but roughly they are comparable models for the time that they were introduced, and all 3 of these START at $1899.00. Now the Studio also requires an extra cost monitor so the cost isn’t exactly an even compare.
Is it the regular 27" iMac display, or is it higher quality like what you get in the iMac Pro?
I can't speak to Norwegian prices, but no, it isn't. I did it relative to the 14" MBP. Point to point it's $900 USD for the same specced machine.
Yes that's what you are paying for with the MacBook Pro ... that's why it's $900 more (mostly the display). As @bobcomer said part of the appeal with a mini and studio is you keep your already existing monitor and keyboard and mouse either for this computer or the next. I never claimed that the MBP was a bad price, but rather my point is that the Studio is priced fine for not including a display and so forth. Frankly it's cheaper than I thought it was going to be - I thought it was going to be closer to $2300 starting.
You can get a MacMini and Luna Display dongle and connect your iMac's display via USB-C.
Bad is subjective, for the most part. I dislike Windows 8-10 because it's full of stuff I don't care about, but Windows 7 was reliable and didn't have a lot of bloatware. It's just outdated nowadays.
Two things are true, however: for PC gaming, nothing beats Windows. For creative professionals, the Mac is king.
For programmers, go wild. I have to use a Mac as my primary OS (iOS dev) but I like it, and despite issues it's still my favorite OS considering the alternatives out there.