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Yeah I understand that but iOS is a touch first OS for a handheld mobile device, whereas the iPad has manifested into larger and larger sizes, but the OS has remained largely unchanged since its inception…

It just feels like the software is about 5 years behind the hardware… and this unfortunately will always be the case as the iPad mini is sharing the same software as the 12.9” pro so iPadOS has to work well on a device as small as the mini but still be ok for the 12.9, this is why I think Apple really need to develop a new OS which is dedicated to the pro line up of iPads, iPadOS Pro would be great, utilises more functional multi tasking, takes advantage of the RAM, has optimised Pro apps etc…
I'd argue the OS is more or less fine as it is, the real problem are the various App Store rules/restrictions that keep apps like VS code or Virtualization apps or emulators from running on iPad. People focus a lot on Apple releasing Final Cut and Xcode for iPad, but I'd rather see them get out of other developers way to let 3rd parties fill in the "Pro" app gap.

As far as a new OS for Pro iPads, that would be interesting, but pretty unlikely. On the Mac side, every Mac runs the same MacOS, from the lowest end Intel Mac mini, to the highest end Mac Pro. They also run the same apps (to varying degrees of performance). I expect Apple to follow the same strategy on iPad.
 

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the real problem are the various App Store rules/restrictions that keep apps like VS code or Virtualization apps or emulators from running on iPad. People focus a lot on Apple releasing Final Cut and Xcode for iPad, but I'd rather see them get out of other developers way to let 3rd parties fill in the "Pro" app gap.
Seriff seems to be doing fine with their Affinity "pro" app, and Luma Fusion is doing great as well (not a Final Cut, but pretty deep funcions).

There are limitations, but developers are simply not putting in much effort, they make an iPhone app and then release the same exact app with a larger UI for the iPad.
 

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Seriff seems to be doing fine with their Affinity "pro" app, and Luma Fusion is doing great as well (not a Final Cut, but pretty deep funcions).

There are limitations, but developers are simply not putting in much effort, they make an iPhone app and then release the same exact app with a larger UI for the iPad.
Maybe Apple needs to break the price barriers for iPad software by releasing Logic and Final Cut on iPadOS for the same price as their Mac counterparts assuming they have the same functionality.

Then it would developers that Pro apps can be expensive and profitable, rather them feeling forced into either a subscription or $30-$50 price limit.
 
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Maybe Apple needs to break the price barriers for iPad software by releasing Logic and Final Cut on iPadOS for the same price as their Mac counterparts assuming they have the same functionality.

Then it would developers that Pro apps can be expensive and profitable, rather them feeling forced into either a subscription or $30-$50 price limit.
That I agree, I do not expect pro apps t be priced at 2-5 euros, I would gladly pay desktop prices for desktop features.
 

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Yeah I understand that but iOS is a touch first OS for a handheld mobile device, whereas the iPad has manifested into larger and larger sizes, but the OS has remained largely unchanged since its inception…

It just feels like the software is about 5 years behind the hardware… and this unfortunately will always be the case as the iPad mini is sharing the same software as the 12.9” pro so iPadOS has to work well on a device as small as the mini but still be ok for the 12.9, this is why I think Apple really need to develop a new OS which is dedicated to the pro line up of iPads, iPadOS Pro would be great, utilises more functional multi tasking, takes advantage of the RAM, has optimised Pro apps etc…

I've decided on the MBP 14 for desk use; MBA 2020 for my portable use. I can do more with the MBA than with iPad.
 
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I think the biggest problem with the iPad at the moment is how close iPadOS is to iOS, unlike a Mac which has its own dedicated OS the iPad just piggy backs off iOS and has done since its inception.

Personally I think Apple really need to create a brand new OS which is unique to the iPad, even if it is just for the Pro iPads, just to give the device its own place in Apples line up, until then the iPad will continue to fall short of what it could be.
But that’s exactly what they have done by forking iOS into iPadOS. The simple fact of the matter is that it’s new, and there are problems to be solved to with regards to making it less iPhone like and more mac like.
We all know Apple take the slow train for almost everything they do. It’s a question of time.
 
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But that’s exactly what they have done by forking iOS into iPadOS. The simple fact of the matter is that it’s new, and there are problems to be solved to with regards to making it less iPhone like and more mac like.
We all know Apple take the slow train for almost everything they do. It’s a question of time.
Unfortunately although back in 2019, Apple renamed the OS to iPadOS basically giving the impression that the iPad would be moving in a different direction, so far (two years later) it literally has just replicated iOS a year behind.

Most of the features added to the iPad which differentiates the OS came long before iPadOS was announced… pretty much the only things since iPadOS has launched which differentiate it are keyboard and trackpad support and quick notes.

Just seems very lacklustre to me.
 

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The M1 12.9 iPad Pro was a good upgrade. It finally came with alot more power (the 2020 model was basically the 2018) and a nice mini-LED display.

I will probably not upgrade for a few years.
 
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The M1 12.9 iPad Pro was a good upgrade. It finally came with alot more power (the 2020 model was basically the 2018) and a nice mini-LED display.

I will probably not upgrade for a few years.
Problem is the extra power is still not required and the screen is only effective with HDR content, which is quite scarce at the moment, so effectively the 2018, 2020 and 2021 models are all pretty much on par with one another for the vast majority of their usage.
 
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Problem is the extra power is still not required and the screen is only effective with HDR content, which is quite scarce at the moment, so effectively the 2018, 2020 and 2021 models are all pretty much on par with one another for the vast majority of their usage.

The extra power is certaintly noticable as in some projects it was already pushing to 40% and I was just getting started.

The display is better, not just in HDR content. The only downside is that in dark rooms with the lights turned off and you put the brightness to high, then you can see some blooming.
 
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Unfortunately although back in 2019, Apple renamed the OS to iPadOS basically giving the impression that the iPad would be moving in a different direction, so far (two years later) it literally has just replicated iOS a year behind.

Most of the features added to the iPad which differentiates the OS came long before iPadOS was announced… pretty much the only things since iPadOS has launched which differentiate it are keyboard and trackpad support and quick notes.

Just seems very lacklustre to me.
2 years is really not a very long time. it’s just 3 releases old, in fact. It’s very clearly already moving in a different direction to iOS.

Fixating on things that arrived in iOS first whilst ignoring iPadOS only features is somewhat folly. There are major differences already between iPadOS and iOS - keyboard, trackpad and quick notes as you say, major multitasking improvements and window management features, Scribble, Safari closer to a desktop experience, Sidecar, to just name the obvious things - none of which can seriously be described as ‘lacklustre’.

That’s not to say there shouldnt be improvements - but short of a complete rewrite (which would be pointless), then these things take time and problems need to be solved - like how to allow background tasks or better inter-app communication without breaking security or the integrity of the app sandbox, for example.
 

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I really like the iPad Pro 12.9” as a device (and I’m writing this message on it), but TBH I think I may switch to a lower-end iPad the next time around unless there are some changes to iPadOS and/or available apps to justify the Pro. For example, porting the pro apps (or allowing the iPad Pro to run macOS apps, like macOS can now run iPad apps)…

I’m a bit more negative than that. I think Apple is pitching the iPad correctly as a touch-first device, and that it’s fundamentally a different computing paradigm than a laptop or desktop because most people will use it as a tablet. You *can* use it with the magic keyboard and trackpad, but they are accessories, not meant for full-time usage.

There are a number of things in the iPad Pro that I’d like to have — miniled displays mainly — but given that my usecases suit the base level iPad, I’m finding it hard to spend the extra cash. I mostly do web surfing, forums, and media consumption on my iPad, and I don’t need the power of a pro. So on my next purchase I’m looking to step down to a cheaper device.

And I suspect that there are quite a few other people like me.
 
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No but if there isn’t enough improvements then i will just stick with the current model longer.

i just wish we had pop up windows on the ipad. Pro apps I’m not bothered about but more multitasking could be better for this reason.
 
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rui no onna

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No but if there isn’t enough improvements then i will just stick with the current model longer.

i just wish we had pop up windows on the ipad. Pro apps I’m not bothered about but more multitasking could be better for this reason.

I think one major deterrent for multitasking is lack of memory and/or swap. Lower end iPads still have 2-4GB RAM and I’m skeptical that even 6GB would be enough if they go multi-window. Heck, on 4GB RAM split screen, I’ve had one or both of the foreground apps crash.

The basic iPad models accounted for 56% of the overall iPad shipments in Q1 2021. The iPad Air and iPad Pro series came next with 19% and 18% shares, respectively.


Apple may introduce pop up windows but unless it’s something that can work on lower end iPads which have the largest market share and install base, it’s not going to receive much developer support.
 
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Unfortunately although back in 2019, Apple renamed the OS to iPadOS basically giving the impression that the iPad would be moving in a different direction, so far (two years later) it literally has just replicated iOS a year behind.

Most of the features added to the iPad which differentiates the OS came long before iPadOS was announced… pretty much the only things since iPadOS has launched which differentiate it are keyboard and trackpad support and quick notes.

Just seems very lacklustre to me.
ummm..

multitasking hello? files app? Spotlight? M/KB…
 

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No but if there isn’t enough improvements then i will just stick with the current model longer.

i just wish we had pop up windows on the ipad. Pro apps I’m not bothered about but more multitasking could be better for this reason.
thats never gonana happen.
Not possible / usable on a 11’ screen. Screen is to small to have windows
 

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2 years is really not a very long time. it’s just 3 releases old, in fact. It’s very clearly already moving in a different direction to iOS.

Fixating on things that arrived in iOS first whilst ignoring iPadOS only features is somewhat folly. There are major differences already between iPadOS and iOS - keyboard, trackpad and quick notes as you say, major multitasking improvements and window management features, Scribble, Safari closer to a desktop experience, Sidecar, to just name the obvious things - none of which can seriously be described as ‘lacklustre’.

That’s not to say there shouldnt be improvements - but short of a complete rewrite (which would be pointless), then these things take time and problems need to be solved - like how to allow background tasks or better inter-app communication without breaking security or the integrity of the app sandbox, for example.
Yeah I fully understand that, but although the software is going to take time, that doesn’t seem to be the case for the hardware, the hardware is quite easily 5 years ahead of the software, but I suppose the hardware is what sells the device in Apples eyes.

Personally I think that Apple are usually fantastic at matching their hardware and software perfectly (e.g. watchOS, iOS, tvOS, MacOS), but I just feel that anyone buying the latest iPad Pro at this time are not going to be utilising the devices full potential for at least 4-5 years minimum, by which point the battery health will be that degraded it will be time to sell and upgrade anyway, which makes me feel like what is the actual point?!?

Personally I feel like forking out $1000+ for a piece of hardware which won’t be fully utilised for another 4-5 years seems very much like buying a a fully spec’d out MacBook Pro to watch YouTube videos and check email.
 
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Yeah I fully understand that, but although the software is going to take time, that doesn’t seem to be the case for the hardware, the hardware is quite easily 5 years ahead of the software, but I suppose the hardware is what sells the device in Apples eyes.

If by software you mean same software as Macs, then sure.

For myself, most of the tasks I do for personal use (primarily web and reading) can be easily accomplished on an iPad. I realize one might ask why not just get a basic iPad for those? Well, I like having large local storage and browsing 100+ tabs would be reload city on low RAM.

Theoretically, a $300 Atom/Celeron-based laptop with 4GB RAM and 128-256GB SSD will run practically all the same apps as a $1000 ThinkPad. I still get the ThinkPad for the nicer display, more RAM, more storage and better keyboard. Same thing with iPads. The basic iPad might do the things I need but the Pros provide a nicer experience.


Personally I think that Apple are usually fantastic at matching their hardware and software perfectly (e.g. watchOS, iOS, tvOS, MacOS), but I just feel that anyone buying the latest iPad Pro at this time are not going to be utilising the devices full potential for at least 4-5 years minimum, by which point the battery health will be that degraded it will be time to sell and upgrade anyway, which makes me feel like what is the actual point?!?

I can certainly appreciate the extra RAM now. It may be limited for single apps but it has greatly improved multitasking. I experience far less reloads compared to my old 2017 Pro (4GB RAM). The 2017 Pro, I’ve had to reboot 2-3x a week so apps wouldn’t force close due to lack of memory.

The Mini-LED display’s been nice for videos as well albeit that’s not a make or break feature for me.


Personally I feel like forking out $1000+ for a piece of hardware which won’t be fully utilised for another 4-5 years seems very much like buying a a fully spec’d out MacBook Pro to watch YouTube videos and check email.

Mind, even back in the early days, the iPad configurations I wanted weren’t exactly cheap either especially with 10% sales tax.

$770 iPad 2 64GB WiFi
$910 iPad 3 64GB LTE
$1120 iPad 4 128GB LTE + AC+

From the get-go, I knew Apple had a different vision for the iPad. Heck, iPads were even more limited back when I started using them (iPad 2 circa 2011). Functionality has actually improved a lot compared to those days.

I didn’t buy the iPad because I wanted to replace my computer. I bought one because I’ve been wanting a tablet to read manga on and the Windows slates/convertibles I’ve tried all suck (expensive, heavy, slow, overheats, poor battery life). Over the years, hardware and software improvements to the iPad have made it so I rarely need to use my PC anymore. Only time I need the PC now is when I need to rip Blu-rays, DeDRM ebooks, jailbreaking Kindles, server duties, etc.

For me, it boils down to utility. My personal use is around 80-90% iPads, 5-10% iPhone and 5-10% PC. Even before the “What’s a computer ads”, I realized majority of my home use, I can do on an iPad. For my usage, it makes better sense to splurge on iPads which get 8+ hours use everyday rather than a laptop which may get used once a month or something.

Besides, getting the iPad Pros is more like buying the $1999-2499 14-16” MBP because you want the screen size/features. Maxed out would be if one’s getting the $5899-6099 models for no good reason.
 
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Lmao!!! 3 of them features came before iPadOS

Files and MKB came with iPadOS 13 so that’s just 2 features at most.

Mouse/trackpad support was an Accessibility feature and wasn’t actually part of the official feature set until 13.4, iirc.
 

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Yeah I fully understand that, but although the software is going to take time, that doesn’t seem to be the case for the hardware, the hardware is quite easily 5 years ahead of the software, but I suppose the hardware is what sells the device in Apples eyes.

Personally I think that Apple are usually fantastic at matching their hardware and software perfectly (e.g. watchOS, iOS, tvOS, MacOS), but I just feel that anyone buying the latest iPad Pro at this time are not going to be utilising the devices full potential for at least 4-5 years minimum, by which point the battery health will be that degraded it will be time to sell and upgrade anyway, which makes me feel like what is the actual point?!?

Personally I feel like forking out $1000+ for a piece of hardware which won’t be fully utilised for another 4-5 years seems very much like buying a a fully spec’d out MacBook Pro to watch YouTube videos and check email.
Really depends on the use case - I use the iPad for the software not for the os. What I mean by that is I spend all of my time in apps. It’s the approach the iPad uses verses the mac, it’s app first rather than os first it seems.
I use an abundance of high quality pro software to achieve my goals. This exists already for my use case - I’m sorry it doesn’t exist for yours. But it doesn’t make it a bad machine - its just optimised for its own use case. if your own usages are within what the iPad is optimal for - drawing, creating, design, photography etc - then it’s a win win, it even beats a mac. If you want terminal, dev stuff, torrents etc then it’s just probably not the right choice for you.
 

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Future buying decisions? I’m not going to buy another iPad for the foreseeable future. I have the 2020 iPad Pro 11 inch now but when I saw the newer iPad Pro 12.3 inch with all the nice eye candy visuals, I thought, is this all that it has? What about the software? So I’ve decided to get myself a nice MacBook Pro Max instead and keep my buying decisions for any new iPads way off in the distance. My iPad I have today is good enough for the foreseeable future.
 
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