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I’m becoming convinced that walking, although it burns substantial calories is not good for my back. Since I started this routine a month or so ago, my back on a day to day basis is more tender and I notice it more when I‘m laying in bed at night.

Gyms will be opening on 18 May in Texas, so I have high hopes the YMCA will open then and I can get back into the pool. I may just take it easy for another 10 days.
I think with all this spare time we can all over do it which is no good for us , oh i sure agree on getting back in the pool i love swimming best form of exercise too
 
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Huntn,

I know you’ve mentioned ‘back issues’ a lot in this thread, and I am not suggesting what you should/shouldn’t do. But do you Have any daily stretching routines? Now, if you have chronic back pain, I’m not sure if that would alleviate anything. But I always find stretching is really underrated and certainly not executed enough. Again too, I know you’re a bit older in you’re late 60s, so I understand everybody has different capabilities and tendencies with back soreness. I’m Sure you’ve considered stretching, it’s just more of something to think about if it is applicable to your situation.
 
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Huntn,

I know you’ve mentioned ‘back issues’ a lot in this thread, and I am not suggesting what you should/shouldn’t do. But do you Have any daily stretching routines? Now, if you have chronic back pain, I’m not sure if that would alleviate anything. But I always find stretching is really underrated and certainly not executed enough. Again too, I know you’re a bit older in you’re late 60s, so I understand everybody has different capabilities and tendencies with back soreness. I’m Sure you’ve considered stretching, it’s just more of something to think about if it is applicable to your situation.
I do stretch, have a regular routine at the gym, honestly not as much stretching at home, but what I know I have is degenerative disk disease and I think walking, pounding, maybe not like running pounding, but never the less walking puts more stress on my vertebrae than swimming in the pool. Today I opted not to walk, but continued working, putting a gazebo together and it was aching when I got up this morning and kills me when I bend over. To clarify, it’s not debilitating chronic pain, just noticeable, annoying ache.
 

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I do stretch, have a regular routine at the gym, honestly not as much stretching at home, but what I know I have is degenerative disk disease and I think walking, pounding, maybe not like running pounding, but never the less walking puts more stress on my vertebrae than swimming in the pool. Today I opted not to walk, but continued working, putting a gazebo together and it was aching when I got up this morning and kills me when I bend over. To clarify, it’s not debilitating chronic pain, just noticeable, annoying ache.


The first thought to treat back pain is core work and lots of it. And swimming. But if the discomfort is from degenerative disk disease I got nothing. It’s between you and your doctor. I’m sorry and good luck! (Is your bed adequate?)
 
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I do stretch, have a regular routine at the gym, honestly not as much stretching at home, but what I know I have is degenerative disk disease and I think walking, pounding, maybe not like running pounding, but never the less walking puts more stress on my vertebrae than swimming in the pool. Today I opted not to walk, but continued working, putting a gazebo together and it was aching when I got up this morning and kills me when I bend over. To clarify, it’s not debilitating chronic pain, just noticeable, annoying ache.

That’s unfortunate with your back issues. Most importantly, you just have to do whatever works for you in terms of easing any discomfort. Speaking of pools, we [Our state] actually just announced that they’re not opening any pools indoor/outdoor for the entire summer due to C/19. I’m not really an avid swimmer as much as I would like to be (Even with a cottage on a private lake about 45 minutes NW of my house), But swimming is an amazing form of exercise. If I had a choice of swimming daily or any other type of cardio outside, it definitely would be swimming.

Best of luck to your back.
 
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The first thought to treat back pain is core work and lots of it. And swimming. But if the discomfort is from degenerative disk disease I got nothing. It’s between you and your doctor. I’m sorry and good luck! (Is your bed adequate?)
Yes adequate bed. Current level of discomfort appeared after I stopped going to the gym and started walking as a substitute.
That’s unfortunate with your back issues. Most importantly, you just have to do whatever works for you in terms of easing any discomfort. Speaking of pools, we [Our state] actually just announced that they’re not opening any pools indoor/outdoor for the entire summer due to C/19. I’m not really an avid swimmer as much as I would like to be (Even with a cottage on a private lake about 45 minutes NW of my house), But swimming is an amazing form of exercise. If I had a choice of swimming daily or any other type of cardio outside, it definitely would be swimming.

Best of luck to your back.
Thanks. Well regarding pools that may suck. I have to see what the YMCA decides to do in Texas. As far as I’m concerned, lap swimming in lanes is safe enough and chlorinaged water is not a virus friendly environment. If the pool is not opened, I’ll concentrate on weights in the gym, along with stretching.
 
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Cat exercise... in a hopefully appealing pose. (Not my kitty, but I sure do know the type.)

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Huntn,

I know you’ve mentioned ‘back issues’ a lot in this thread, and I am not suggesting what you should/shouldn’t do. But do you Have any daily stretching routines? Now, if you have chronic back pain, I’m not sure if that would alleviate anything. But I always find stretching is really underrated and certainly not executed enough. Again too, I know you’re a bit older in you’re late 60s, so I understand everybody has different capabilities and tendencies with back soreness. I’m Sure you’ve considered stretching, it’s just more of something to think about if it is applicable to your situation.
I do stretch, have a regular routine at the gym, honestly not as much stretching at home, but what I know I have is degenerative disk disease and I think walking, pounding, maybe not like running pounding, but never the less walking puts more stress on my vertebrae than swimming in the pool. Today I opted not to walk, but continued working, putting a gazebo together and it was aching when I got up this morning and kills me when I bend over. To clarify, it’s not debilitating chronic pain, just noticeable, annoying ache.

I have chronic back pain from a lacrosse unjustly in High School- Almost 15 years later I’ve made some progress but the pain severity comes and goes. After seeing well over dozen different specialists over the years, the only relief I’ve had is from yoga and swimming.

Unfortunately due to COVID, I have been unable to swim here in Boston. It’s going to really suck when I get back in the water. Prior to the shutdown I would swim 2-2.5 miles 4-5x a week. My pain has become a lot worse lately due to the decreased swimming.

My parents have a pool at their house in Connecticut. Unfortunately, it’s only 40ft long- really too short for serious laps. Last I heard the water temp was 57F and it snowed in CT the other day. As soon as the Pools open back up here I’ll be in the water. Or I’ll have to get into open water swimming...
 
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I have chronic back pain from a lacrosse unjustly in High School- Almost 15 years later I’ve made some progress but the pain severity comes and goes. After seeing well over dozen different specialists over the years, the only relief I’ve had is from yoga and swimming.

Unfortunately due to COVID, I have been unable to swim here in Boston. It’s going to really suck when I get back in the water. Prior to the shutdown I would swim 2-2.5 miles 4-5x a week. My pain has become a lot worse lately due to the decreased swimming.

My parents have a pool at their house in Connecticut. Unfortunately, it’s only 40ft long- really too short for serious laps. Last I heard the water temp was 57F and it snowed in CT the other day. As soon as the Pools open back up here I’ll be in the water. Or I’ll have to get into open water swimming...

When I was ‘bodybuilding training’ in the gym over the last 18 months, I worked out with a guy almost every day who was at the gym who had chronic shoulder pain in his left shoulder. He told me if he did not train shoulders at least twice a week, his shoulder would lock up on him completely. Long story short, I wonder how some who attend the gym to specifically train certain body parts to manage pain and how they’re coping without having access to gyms for reasons as such. There’s just only so much you can train outside the gym where you don’t have access to specifc machines, cables, etc.

Anyways, as far as swimming is concerned, it’s still decently cold here where a lake really wouldn’t be an option at this point, but I can see quite a few people resorting to lakes for swimming, given our state completely closed all public pools indoor/outdoor ‘until further notice‘.

Now that I reverted back to the ‘home gym scene‘, I’m getting closer to looking at a Peloton bike or a rowing machine for my house. I actually like the idea of a rowing machine specifically, just because you’re actually able to train so many body parts with The right ‘muscle mind connection’, with coordinated movement and you can contract your arms/back with the rowing machine at the ‘pull of the row’.

It’s amazing to think about the changes that the pandemic has forced on all of us in terms of altering our physical lifestyles outside the gym. I never thought in 18 months when I started bodybuilding, that I would have to ultimately abandon My lifestyle given the uncertainty of the future for gyms in managing capacities, where even some gyms will not reopen given the economic hardships once things start to rebalance.
 

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I actually like the idea of a rowing machine specifically, just because you’re actually able to train so many body parts with The right ‘muscle mind connection’, with coordinated movement and you can contract your arms/back with the rowing machine at the ‘pull of the row’.

Yep, we bought one a couple of weeks ago. ;) Working on a tight execution of an 800 meter, at 200 meter increments with a 3 exercise circuit in between. Alternating that with a straight up 2K meter row (~1.2 miles).
 

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I have chronic back pain from a lacrosse unjustly in High School- Almost 15 years later I’ve made some progress but the pain severity comes and goes. After seeing well over dozen different specialists over the years, the only relief I’ve had is from yoga and swimming.

Unfortunately due to COVID, I have been unable to swim here in Boston. It’s going to really suck when I get back in the water. Prior to the shutdown I would swim 2-2.5 miles 4-5x a week. My pain has become a lot worse lately due to the decreased swimming.

My parents have a pool at their house in Connecticut. Unfortunately, it’s only 40ft long- really too short for serious laps. Last I heard the water temp was 57F and it snowed in CT the other day. As soon as the Pools open back up here I’ll be in the water. Or I’ll have to get into open water swimming...
Let’s hope they get those pools reopened!
 

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Eating heath-ier...well..ish...😁

Local grocery stores have restrictions on beef purchases, but my regional butcher emporium does not.

Kobe beef burgers (90% Lean/less flare on the grill) with local grass-fed-ribeye steaks, which I chopped for spinach salads later on.
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We set up a Keiser M3i in the basement and it's great for spinning. It's overkill but it's very nice. Barbell in the basement, three dumbbells there too. I would really like 2 additional 25 pound weight plates but they are impossible to find. Weather is almost decent so I will be running outside more. I'm planning on hitting the tennis courts maybe this week or next week depending on the weather.

Also, yoga, stretching, bodyweight exercises.

I miss access to my gyms (I have access to 8 of them though I'm going to drop my Planet Fitness membership once they open back up).
 

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Kobe beef burgers (90% Lean/less flare on the grill) with local grass-fed-ribeye steaks, which I chopped for spinach salads later on.
True Kobe beef is not lean at all. The herds that supply the officially named meat are bred to be fatty.

The cattle have been bred for centuries for Japanese cooking methods: sukiyaki, shabu-shabu, gyudon. These are basically methods for quick dipping and melting of the fat in a hot liquid. The meat is cut into paper-thin slices.

Even grilled, Japanese beef is paper thin. It's not a three-inch steak that is tossed on a fire for 20 minutes. This is often done on a table top grill with live lump charcoal. The individual diners do their own grilling based on their desired cooking level and the meat is quickly dipped into a sauce and consumed immediately. It's not a 16-32 ounce cadaver served on a bit white plate that takes 30-45 minutes to consume from start to finish.

Top quality Japanese style beef is heavily marbled and not appropriate for Western style cooking techniques.

Sure, your local butcher might be selling something that they claim is "Kobe beef" but it really isn't. And 99.9% of Americans (or other Westerners) will fail to cook the properly identified cut the way it is intended to be cooked.

If you see a big fat steak labeled "Kobe beef" it is completely counter to how the animal has been bred and eaten for centuries.
 
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True Kobe beef is not lean at all. The herds that supply the officially named meat are bred to be fatty.

The cattle have been bred for centuries for Japanese cooking methods: sukiyaki, shabu-shabu, gyudon. These are basically methods for quick dipping and melting of the fat in a hot liquid. The meat is cut into paper-thin slices.

Even grilled, Japanese beef is paper thin. It's not a three-inch steak that is tossed on a fire for 20 minutes. This is often done on a table top grill with live lump charcoal. The individual diners do their own grilling based on their desired cooking level and the meat is quickly dipped into a sauce and consumed immediately. It's not a 16-32 ounce cadaver served on a bit white plate that takes 30-45 minutes to consume from start to finish.

Top quality Japanese style beef is heavily marbled and not appropriate for Western style cooking techniques.

Sure, your local butcher might be selling something that they claim is "Kobe beef" but it really isn't. And 99.9% of Americans (or other Westerners) will fail to cook the properly identified cut the way it is intended to be cooked.

If you see a big fat steak labeled "Kobe beef" it is completely counter to how the animal has been bred and eaten for centuries.

Awesome read. I appreciate the education on this.

your local butcher might be selling something that they claim is "Kobe beef" but it really isn't.

Well...I’ll be damned. That S.O.B charged me ~$38 for 4 burgers. But the good news, they tasted freakin amazing.😁
 
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Sure, your local butcher might be selling something that they claim is "Kobe beef" but it really isn't.


Nope - and you sure as heck aren't going to see any __ground__ for hamburger meat (even if it was that readily available, given the fat content), generally what's sold as "Kobe" (which is a location anyway ...), is some kind of way domestic Wagyu, that's just a hybrid (with a marbling grade that's barely beyond regular domestic beef stock). I saw once that if you considered the typical beef consumption rate, the amount of real Wagyu exported (from Japan) would only be enough for ~100 people.

I know it's difficult to source beef in some places, but you're way better off with a good grocery store brand, get some sirloin (90% lean at the most, especially if you're using it alone) and chuck blend it (or heck, have your butcher do a fresh grind for you with some packaged whole meats). Also, please don't pack your burger patties down with a 100lb hydraulic press, they need to breath, those fats need room to circulate, and don't __press__ them or otherwise abuse them with a spatula, poke them with a fork, hurl verbal insults ...

Also, if you want to use a grill, get a little smokey hint to your burgers, and just cook outside (which can be fun), use a cast iron skillet, burgers directly on an open flame, on a grill surface lose all the good stuff.
 
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I just ordered a Vitamix, maybe it’ll help get some more fruits and veggies in my diet. I’m also excited to make my own peanut butter.

Also I'm not going to lie, it'll probably be used most for margaritas lol
 
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You work at Target, so I imagine you probably found/had a discount if applicable. Vitamix is top-notch quality. You can find those on sale, (But it doesn’t seem too often, probably depends which model). I definitely wouldn't pay the MSRP price. I don’t have one, and that’s something I would like to add to the ‘kitchen’, what I think is really impressive about the Vitamix, you can actually make soups directly into the blender, where they actually will blend hot enough where you can serve it directly from the unit itself. That’s definitely says something about the power/directional force of the blades to be hot enough where you can serve it directly from the blender itself.

Years ago, I was watching a QVC promo. I was watching a live demo, and they had the unit marked down like 40% off, I never pulled the trigger, I still think about how I should have at the time, given you really don’t see a lot of steep discounts on those, but they are definitely top-of-the-line with construction and then of course the warranty coupled with the customer service. But those rarely have issues. It’s a solid buy though.
 
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You work at Target, so I imagine you probably found/had a discount if applicable. Vitamix is top-notch quality. You can find those on sale, (But it doesn’t seem too often, probably depends which model). I definitely wouldn't pay the MSRP price. I don’t have one, and that’s something I would like to add to the ‘kitchen’, what I think is really impressive about the Vitamix, you can actually make soups directly into the blender, where they actually will blend hot enough where you can serve it directly from the unit itself. That’s definitely says something about the power/directional force of the blades to be hot enough where you can serve it directly from the blender itself.

Years ago, I was watching a QVC promo. I was watching a live demo, and they had the unit marked down like 40% off, I never pulled the trigger, I still think about how I should have at the time, given you really don’t see a lot of steep discounts on those, but they are definitely top-of-the-line with construction and then of course the warranty coupled with the customer service. But those rarely have issues. It’s a solid by though.
Yeah I got a discount, but I won’t lie, my parents wanted it so I just ordered for them and they reimbursed me lol. I imagine it will make excellent tomato soups, I’m going to give that a try sometime. Definitely not cheap, but the 10 year warranty and knowing it will last a long time makes it worth it from what I hear.
 
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You’re right Zenny, that’s not acceptable by any means. Pure neglect long term With every day usage when I was on a bodybuilding diet. Remedy incoming.

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Some gyms are also slated to open June 1 in North Dakota. Here’s the thing, I’ve been reading articles that some local gym owners are actually removing machines/rearranging to create a ‘6 foot distance’ between members. But my thoughts are, does that really make a difference? When you have somebody that’s breathing heavily, (which can agitate coughing), I don’t really think 6 feet will make a difference in a gym environment. Plus, it’s not an easy task to manage crowding in a gym either. Anyways, It will be interesting to see how things go, as I really do miss that setting.

I Think about it every day and playing the scenario in my mind, [‘What if I continued on with the bodybuilding’, ‘What if I picked up where I left off’...] but I just can’t readjust my decision until I can see how things play out once the gyms open. And I think the thing that I struggle with the most, is I put in an incredible amount of work into my craft to get where I did, and I feel like everything that I put forth with sacrificing my social life, was all for nothing. Even though I can say ‘I did it’ and the Results were apparent, my two-year mark would’ve been this July. But, on the flipside, I’m still young enough where if things start become more manageable/promising in the gym environment where it’s safe, then I can certainly Contemplate moving back in that environment. But for now, my health/safety absolutely comes first.

Although the ‘homework’ outs are not nearly as monotonous as I thought they would be, it’s actually refreshing, I think it really helps to also get outside now that we are in 80° weather in my state.
 
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