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Hermès Debuts Apple Watch Series 9 Collection Including Leather Bands
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You have to change something to change something.
Saying that "while it is what it is, we can continue doing what we do" will not change anything.
True. However, conditions for animals are oftentimes not "positive and natural".
Most prominent point in case would be the killing. Others:
How Are Factory Farms Cruel to Animals?
On factory farms, animals endure routine mutilations, extreme confinement, and genetic manipulation—all for the supposed benefit of human consumers.
PS: All forum contributors telling me they come from a small farm and their livestock leads a happy life, that might be true. Leather at the scale of Apple's production demands does not come from small farms.
Leather is a very sustainable product. In fact, quality leather lasts decades, even generations.
Plastic does not. Don't kid yourself. This "vegan" leather garbage is just plastic, which adds more waste to our planet. If you truly believe in the future of this planet, you would support the use of leather from ethical farms. It supports communities, people, nature and more.
I'm not talking about massive dairy factories or anything like that. I'm talking about sustainable farming. I am no farmer, but my family were. My uncle herded cattle and he loved his animals. We also grew crops, and it gave back to the community in so many ways.
The dangers come from companies just like Apple who drive demand to extremes so ecosystems and communities cannot cope.
Don't believe all the tripe you read. It's massively warped. Good farmers genuinely care for their livestock.
I'm vegan not because I didn't like the taste of meat* - I came to a decision I really didn't want to kill things anymore. I've stuck with silicone cases since the iPhone 6, but as the quality of them are getting much worse I'd now consider the new fine/woven cases as they are probably more durable. (*other vegans may have different opinions)
Why assume that this is about vegan? Or that those food products are specifically purchased by vegans? Lots of people are vegetarian and others are carnivores that sometimes want to reduce, but not eliminate, their meat consumption.
Back to leather/faux leather - Leather and its substitutes have some good properties of flexibility and toughness. Cloth, like the Fine Woven stuff is not the same.
It’s a way of saying where I live, like saying hard to get and very expensive and exclusive. (It’s hilarious you even think it is a real thing
)Might not work translated but hey, it is what it is.
If you red the post, I even said it myself, it might be spare change to some….but hey you were too fast judging to fully understand my post I guess.
I am not trying to control anyone, if someone feels controlled by a post of a tegurla guy online has bigger problem thank buying Hermes stuff.
I thought it was called freedom of speach, but to some it works only if you align with the masses.
Sorry you felt offended, but feeling that way must be a National sport nowadays.
Again you jumped into judging, I never controlled or wanted to control anyone, it’s called having an opinion, you should try it sometimes, even if it doesn’t align with the masses.
If one is confident in what he is doing, then he should not feel pressure from someone ‘s else idea, if he feels pressured, he probably wasn’t sure with his idea to begin with.
Don’t blame me for other people’s insecurity (if that is the case).
If you got bored I will sum it up easy.
Freedom of speach, but if you don’t say what I want you to say I will feel offended.
I won’t stop expressing myself because it offends someone, people are entitled to scroll trough.
One would have to be PRETTY INSECURE to feel controlled by my post….. then again, one would have to feel pretty insecure to have to show his worth trough a fancy watch band…
I‘ll repeat my original post since you did not read it in full, just because you can, does not mean you should.
Worst part is, you will read in this post what you want it to say, and complain once more, but I cannot do anything, there’s no worse deaf than the one who does not want to hear
(I wont’ stop expressing my ideas and won’t change who I am for a random guy on the web)
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Though at least for now, there are no AirTags Hermes on Apple’s website (just on Hermes). I wonder if Hermes will eventually release fabric AirTag holders.
Interestingly, there are some European Union rules that affect multinational companies like Apple that will require them to report not only their own carbon emissions, but those attributable to their activities with suppliers and customers. Potentially the environmental impact of Hermes continuing to use leather on watches with Apple branding would be included.
Don't think so.
Hermes is not a supplier, them selling Apple's watches would make Apple the supplier.
Reporting on their activities with customers would include emissions incurred by shipping etc,
but not emissions that the customer is responsible for – otherwise Apple would have to
report on your car's emissions when you visit the Apple Store and pick up your new gear.
Highly unlikely.
The watches and bands have Apple branding, so Apple does need to approve that. Hermes is free to make its own bands with connectors for Apple Watches, but Apple doesn’t need to include its branding.
Meh. It's what they're bred for. Slaughter a few more afaic so I can get some good steaks and a new Watch band.
Really disgusting point of view.
Don't bother to answer, this post got you ignored.
That's exactly what Hermes does. They make their own bands for the Apple Watch. IIRC there is no Apple branding on the Hermes watch bands. Apple puts the Hermes logo on the watch, but Hermes does not put the Apple logo on their bands.
If you're a Russian oligarch, it's whale penis leather. So okay, this is from 2009. But still...
$1.5M Russian SUV Features Diamonds, Whale Penis Leather
And surely there always will be, because we've got a VERY long history of using leather products. People realize leather is a desirable material for things like belts, wallets and watch-bands, as well as for car seats.
What annoys me is this faux "we care SO much about sustainability" posturing out of Apple, these days. If they *really* were that concerned, they wouldn't make insane statements like the one they just made in the latest product launch where they said they had a goal of "removing all carbon from the atmosphere". If that was really possible, it would kill all the plant life on the planet!
But same with eliminating leather... How do they think it's "better" for the environment to replace all those leather bands with synthetic alternatives, which typically use petrochemicals to produce them?
That’s pretty much how it works. Private jet for the wealthy, battery powered econobox for the rest.
Good point, also cooking is based on peoples life experience and culinary knowledge. If your family cooked bangers and mash all your childhood, you'd know exactly how to prepare and present it to make a meal that's familiar and you know provides the mix of protein / carbs / fat / fibre that you might have made before making a dietary change.
Why would a non-vegan need to eat a sausage? If you like eating animals get in there and eat the pig raw. Or while it’s still alive even! Why turn one thing into something else that tastes delicious?
Why do potato chips exist when you can eat a potato?
This is coming from someone who just finished eating a Jimmy Dean pork sausage. I also have a bag of Morningstar vegan sausages in my freezer. If I’m in a hurry I’ll eat a premade sandwich with meat (and egg) on it for breakfast. If I’m making my own I’ll use vegan sausage (and real egg) cause it tastes good enough and I want the few grams of extra fiber in veggie sausage.
That's not what they said. It was "permanently removing carbon from the atmosphere".
Since the industrial revolution, coal mining and with deforestation, humans increased the percentage of carbon in the atmosphere, leading to the greenhouse effect. We cannot put the coal back into the ground, but be can bind carbon dioxide by reforestation and preserving natural carbon storage.
This will remove carbon from the atmosphere, but to make it permanent, products and our lifestyle has to be almost carbon neutral. So it seems Apple is really concerned, not making "insane statements", even though you don't seem to understand.
The sustainability argument is nonsensical and rooted in a consumer economy.
Not all leather is the same, whether full grain, corrected grain, or bonded. Full grain and top grain leathers are hard wearing and they’ll last a lifetime if made with any level of craftsmanship and periodically maintained with moisturizers. A circa-1980s full grain leather sofa still in use today at a doctor’s office is a testament to that..
Or the 20 year old set of business shoes I have that might last another 10 or more if I continue to take proper care of them! How many fake leather shoes are tossed on average in those 30 years? How many fake leather, glued shoes does an average person go through in that same amount of time? Sustainability is the entire product lifecycle, not just manufacture.
Even when it’s damaged, sanding and refinishing leather are options adding to the useful life of the leather good.
That said, polyurethane/vinyl by any other name is closer to bonded leather and will be tossed because it can’t be refinished or restored. It’s better for manufacturers if (car) manufacturers can give customers yet another reason to upgrade their cars and make yet another sale while the car or the upholstered fabric is destined for the landfill and replaced with more vinyl still.
Source: I’m the son of a master upholsterer with subject matter expertise on textiles/leather and I have over a decade of postgrad professional experience in consumer packaged good procurement, supply chain (including reverse/reclamation), and merchandising.
Not all leather is the same, whether full grain, corrected grain, or bonded. Full grain and top grain leathers are hard wearing and they’ll last a lifetime if made with any level of craftsmanship and periodically maintained with moisturizers. A circa-1980s full grain leather sofa still in use today at a doctor’s office is a testament to that..
Or the 20 year old set of business shoes I have that might last another 10 or more if I continue to take proper care of them! How many fake leather shoes are tossed on average in those 30 years? How many fake leather, glued shoes does an average person go through in that same amount of time? Sustainability is the entire product lifecycle, not just manufacture.
Even when it’s damaged, sanding and refinishing leather are options adding to the useful life of the leather good.
That said, polyurethane/vinyl by any other name is closer to bonded leather and will be tossed because it can’t be refinished or restored. It’s better for manufacturers if (car) manufacturers can give customers yet another reason to upgrade their cars and make yet another sale while the car or the upholstered fabric is destined for the landfill and replaced with more vinyl still.
Source: I’m the son of a master upholsterer with subject matter expertise on textiles/leather and I have over a decade of postgrad professional experience in consumer packaged good procurement, supply chain (including reverse/reclamation), and merchandising.
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The most environmentally friendly approach to producing an Apple Watch (with, or without leather) is for Apple to stop producing consumer watches. Make a sundial or use sidereal time! Right?
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