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I re-ordered a double tour hapi in Gold directly from Hermes today. Annoyingly the attelage hapi straps they advertise on their site aren’t available in the UK store but are available in the US. I particularly like the green. Does anyone know if Hermes have made more options available after launch for previous generations?

I’ve ordered for collection in boutique so hopefully when I collect which I’ve been told will be October these options will be available. I prefer the attelage as I have skinny wrists
 
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francoc02o

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Sorry, but this doesn't make much sense. Apple wouldn't lose sales for the next 3 years because of "ew, look, bigger bezels" just to get more sales in 2027 because of "oh, look, smaller bezels".

This was just a design decision/necessity for the S10 to be even more rounded and pebble-like and so for the glass to wrap around the edges more. The bezel itself is the same size, just part of it isn't hidden underneath metal anymore. Now you may very well disagree with this design decision (I personally am on the fence about it and will postpone judgement until I see the S10 on my wrist IRL), but they certainly didn't do this to hold something back for 2027.

I don’t think they would lose sales because of this, and I never said that.
I agree with what you said, that it was a necessary move, hardware-wise.
Probably there are some trade offs at the moment, like more battery consumption, etc.
But I think the current design has that opportunity for improvement, for the next design in 3 years. And I think Apple has this in their backlog of future improvements, As they always increase the size every 3 years.
 
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View attachment 2417801 I re-ordered a double tour hapi in Gold directly from Hermes today. Annoyingly the attelage hapi straps they advertise on their site aren’t available in the UK store but are available in the US. I particularly like the green. Does anyone know if Hermes have made more options available after launch for previous generations?

I’ve ordered for collection in boutique so hopefully when I collect which I’ve been told will be October these options will be available. I prefer the attelage as I have skinny wrists
I’m curious to know what’s the material of the lugs. When 2 metals are in contact, the weakest one gets scratches.
 
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Fried Potato

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Are Hermés' leather straps only sold through Hermés (not Apple)? I can't seem to find any straps on my local (Swedish) Hermés web store.
 

Fried Potato

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Yes. Leather straps are only sold exclusively by Hermes.
Thanks. I can find them on the US website, but not the Swedish one. It seems to come up when I try to google it, but it just leads to a standard 404 error code. Maybe they'll be up on the 20th. I haven't seen any Apple Watch straps in their brick and mortar store either, but then I haven't really asked about it.
 

Luba

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Thanks. I can find them on the US website, but not the Swedish one. It seems to come up when I try to google it, but it just leads to a standard 404 error code. Maybe they'll be up on the 20th. I haven't seen any Apple Watch straps in their brick and mortar store either, but then I haven't really asked about it.
No leather sold at Apple at all because it’s not recyclable, I believe is the reason
 
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Sorry, but this doesn't make much sense. Apple wouldn't lose sales for the next 3 years because of "ew, look, bigger bezels" just to get more sales in 2027 because of "oh, look, smaller bezels".

This was just a design decision/necessity for the S10 to be even more rounded and pebble-like and so for the glass to wrap around the edges more. The bezel itself is the same size, just part of it isn't hidden underneath metal anymore. Now you may very well disagree with this design decision (I personally am on the fence about it and will postpone judgement until I see the S10 on my wrist IRL), but they certainly didn't do this to hold something back for 2027.
Launch season arrives and everyone is a tinfoil hat product design major 🙂‍↔️

Enjoying the gifts of Father Tim’s elves and, I don’t know, waiting to actually see the products, it’s right there and so much easier.
 

H-B0mb

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I’m curious to know what’s the material of the lugs. When 2 metals are in contact, the weakest one gets scratches.
I’ve had a look at the spec sheet on the Hermes website but there’s no mention of it. I’ll try and find when collect from the boutique but that won’t be until October
 

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View attachment 2417801 I re-ordered a double tour hapi in Gold directly from Hermes today. Annoyingly the attelage hapi straps they advertise on their site aren’t available in the UK store but are available in the US. I particularly like the green. Does anyone know if Hermes have made more options available after launch for previous generations?

I’ve ordered for collection in boutique so hopefully when I collect which I’ve been told will be October these options will be available. I prefer the attelage as I have skinny wrists
You were able to pre-order in store? I didn't know you could do that. I wonder if one can do that in the Harrods store. And you got a rough idea when it's arriving too, which I don't think you get if you do this online, am I correct?
 
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H-B0mb

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You were able to pre-order in store? I didn't know you could do that. I wonder if one can do that in the Harrods store. And you got a rough idea when it's arriving too, which I don't think you get if you do this online, am I correct?
You can pre order on the website for collection in boutique. The pick up options are Bond St, Sloane St, and the Royal Exchange.

I’m unsure of which strap option to go for so I ordered for collection as they won’t let me return or exchange if I choose home delivery. Plus I’m hoping that the double tour attelage hapi will be available in the UK by the time I can collect.

I called Hermes services today before I ordered and they said the watches (assume leather versions) wouldn’t be available until October regardless of whether I got it delivered or collect.
 
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manhattanmania

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They did this on purpose , so that they can reduce the bezel in 3 years again.
I found this interesting mock-up on Reddit.

I’m very disappointed by the Series 10 generally and Hermes options this year. I’m on Series 7 and was itching to upgrade. Here’s my list of issues:

1) no stainless steel case options (could theoretically get over this one depending on in person impression)
2) no space black for Hermes & with it the death of the Noir face which was exclusive to that model
3) increase in bezels (an obvious regression - engineering necessity or design choice, it’s a set back. Be real.)
4) Apple playing fast & loose with their stats. They quote “30% more display area vs Series 6” There’s a reason they didn’t compare to series 7/8/9. Know why? Because it’s only a SEVEN percent increase vs those. And even for the Series Six, the 30% is for the smaller size, not the bigger. Bigger is 25%.
5) So 7% more display area and 10% thinner but guess what? To achieve that they *made the watch bigger* - really not impressive.
6) US - no blood oxygen functionality. Inexcusable. They had a year. Modify the sensor or software in some way. License the patent. Figure it out. No excuse, period.
 

Fried Potato

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I called Hermés about an hour ago. Apparently it is possible to order from another EU store (or have it delivered to my local store). The Hermés representative couldn't answer to why no Apple Watch products are available on my local Hermés website, but she's going to get back to me about it next week.

One thing she mentioned is that no straps/bracelets will get shipped on the 20th. All of them are delayed until late October/early November. Apparently, the watch will get shipped on the 20th while the strap will get delivered later according to her. Is this true? I know that Apple doesn't do that (they ship the watch and strap simultaneously), but maybe Hermés does? Anyone who has any experience from prior years?
 
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KPOM

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Source for this?
Apple said so at last year’s iPhone launch when they replaced the leather accessories with FineWoven. It’s part of their “carbon neutral” strategy. But apparently their license agreement with Hermes still lets the latter market leather bands for Apple Watch.
 

KPOM

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I’m very disappointed by the Series 10 generally and Hermes options this year. I’m on Series 7 and was itching to upgrade. Here’s my list of issues:

6) US - no blood oxygen functionality. Inexcusable. They had a year. Modify the sensor or software in some way. License the patent. Figure it out. No excuse, period.
I think the patent expires soon and Apple is content to wait it out rather than settle.
 

the future

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increase in bezels (an obvious regression - engineering necessity or design choice, it’s a set back. Be real.)

The bezels have not increased, they are the same. Just the glass/metal bezel ratio changed. But yeah, we hoped the bezels would maybe decrease, which they haven‘t.

I guess Apple have, for now, hit an engineering brickwall wrt bezel size in the tiny (for a computer) Watch case and therefore decided to make something else slimmer – the case itself (which took a lot of engineering effort and redesigning of internal parts).
 
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justinteo

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Will someone who ordered the Hermes Ultra show the box and what’s in the box?

I’m on the fence about it.. the usual Hermes watch comes with an extra rubber strap, in an exclusive colour. The Ultra don’t seem to come with any extra. It seems like an after-thought.
 

KPOM

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Will someone who ordered the Hermes Ultra show the box and what’s in the box?

I’m on the fence about it.. the usual Hermes watch comes with an extra rubber strap, in an exclusive colour. The Ultra don’t seem to come with any extra. It seems like an after-thought.
The Hermès premium on the Ultra is $150 vs $201 for the Series 10 (comparing the price of the regular plus a standalone Hermès band vs an Apple Watch Hermès). Maybe that’s why. The Ultra bands are also already supposed to be “sport“ bands so including an actual Sport band with it seems superfluous.
 

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I’m very disappointed by the Series 10 generally and Hermes options this year. I’m on Series 7 and was itching to upgrade. Here’s my list of issues:

1) no stainless steel case options (could theoretically get over this one depending on in person impression)
2) no space black for Hermes & with it the death of the Noir face which was exclusive to that model
3) increase in bezels (an obvious regression - engineering necessity or design choice, it’s a set back. Be real.)
4) Apple playing fast & loose with their stats. They quote “30% more display area vs Series 6” There’s a reason they didn’t compare to series 7/8/9. Know why? Because it’s only a SEVEN percent increase vs those. And even for the Series Six, the 30% is for the smaller size, not the bigger. Bigger is 25%.
5) So 7% more display area and 10% thinner but guess what? To achieve that they *made the watch bigger* - really not impressive.
6) US - no blood oxygen functionality. Inexcusable. They had a year. Modify the sensor or software in some way. License the patent. Figure it out. No excuse, period.
Agreed!
The bigger black bezel on the S10 wouldn’t have been a problem on a Space Black model. I hope they bring it back in the future.
 

justinteo

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The Hermès premium on the Ultra is $150 vs $201 for the Series 10 (comparing the price of the regular plus a standalone Hermès band vs an Apple Watch Hermès). Maybe that’s why. The Ultra bands are also already supposed to be “sport“ bands so including an actual Sport band with it seems superfluous.
When I calculated it last night, the Ultra has a higher premium.

I took:
Hermes S10 - (S10 Regular Titanium with Rubber + Standalone Hermes Band)

The above is comparing purely the Hermes premium for the watch itself, adjusting for the same straps (a rubber + hermes)

and compared it against

(Hermes Ultra - Hermes En Mer Strap + Regular Ultra Strap) - (Regular Ultra)

The first step above adjusted the straps to be the same, and calculated purely the Hermes premium for the watch itself.
 

astromunch

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View attachment 2417801 I re-ordered a double tour hapi in Gold directly from Hermes today. Annoyingly the attelage hapi straps they advertise on their site aren’t available in the UK store but are available in the US. I particularly like the green. Does anyone know if Hermes have made more options available after launch for previous generations?

I’ve ordered for collection in boutique so hopefully when I collect which I’ve been told will be October these options will be available. I prefer the attelage as I have skinny wrists
That green! It really is a beauty. Now I’m torn. I was going S10 w/ Beton Kilim… but those bezels. Especially coming from the S8 in black stainless. Also, I sort of realized while an all-weather all-activity band is useful, I love Hermes for leather. So maybe just a new band update for me with the green Hapi. I do love an attelage double (thin wrist club here too haha). Quandary!
 
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