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^^^^No, he's saying it WILL be converted to APFS, if it's an SSD!

Lou
Stupid question alert!!

So if you can't install the APFS version of HS on to a spinner, does that mean that once installed and running my current back up regime of cloning to spinners will fail?
 
Stupid question alert!!

So if you can't install the APFS version of HS on to a spinner, does that mean that once installed and running my current back up regime of cloning to spinners will fail?

AFAIK, if the backup software can handle APFS. It will able to handle the backup process properly, and the backup HS can boot from a HFS+ drive. And APFS is not really unable to use in HDD, but just not recommended at this moment (but no one knows why not recommended).
 
AFAIK, if the backup software can handle APFS. It will able to handle the backup process properly, and the backup HS can boot from a HFS+ drive. And APFS is not really unable to use in HDD, but just not recommended at this moment (but no one knows why not recommended).
Ah gotcha, thanks. I'll probably wait then as currently I use DU for cloning and I suspect Apple will disable that functionality.
 
Can I install High Sierra without APFS and keep the good old HFS+ on my 4,1-5,1 Mac Pro 2009?
Try install it on a HDD, then clone it to a HFS+ formatted SSD.


I think there is also another way using the Terminal for HS installation, with the installer in your app folder, and this command

Code:
/Applications/Install\ macOS\ High\ Sierra\
Beta.app/Contents/Resources/startosinstall --volume /Volumes/Target --converttoapfs NO


Have to admit I haven't tried this myself yet, thought it's worth sharing anyway. I'll give it a try later this weekend.

Source, it's derived from a post at InsanelyMac. I've checked the GM installer (archived on an external disk) for startosinstall in /Contents/Resources/ and found this, by adding: --usage

Code:
Last login: Fri Sep 22 19:41:13 on ttys000
Workstation:~ Fangio$ /Volumes/Seagate\ 4TB/OS\ X\ Installer/macOS\ 10.13\ High\ Sierra/Dev\ Betas\ \&\ GM\ Candidates/macOS\ 10.13\ GM1\ Build\ 17A362a/Install\ macOS\ High\ Sierra\ Beta.app/Contents/Resources/startosinstall --usage
Usage: startosinstall --volume <target volume path>

Arguments
--applicationpath, a path to copy of the OS installer application to start the install with.
--license, prints the user license agreement only.
--agreetolicense, agree to license the license you printed with --license.
--rebootdelay, how long to delay the reboot at the end of preparing. This delay is in seconds and has a maximum of 300 (5 minutes).
--pidtosignal, Specify a PID to which to send SIGUSR1 upon completion of the prepare phase. To bypass "rebootdelay" send SIGUSR1 back to startosinstall.
--converttoapfs, specify either YES or NO on if you wish to convert to APFS.
--installpackage, the path of a package to install after the OS installation is complete; this option can be specified multiple times.
--usage, prints this message.
--volume, path to the target volume.

Example: startosinstall --volume /Volumes/Target --converttoapfs YES (or NO)
Workstation:~ Fangio$

Note the 6th argument.
 
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I ran the High Sierra upgrade on my 2009 Mac Pro (flashed to 5,1). Prompted for a firmware upgrade, which went fine. Ran the upgrade, which took 30-45 minutes-ish. My system drive is an SSD installed with a Tempo PCIe drive card, and the upgrade converted that SSD to APFS. My spinning drives were left alone.

After the first "welcome, what's your iCloud password?" boot, everything was awfully slow and very busy. Spotlight was going nuts. Bluetooth was broken. HDMIAudio was missing.

I rebooted and everything was normal again. :) Except the HDMIAudio. Still trying to restore that. :-(
 
... there is also another way using the Terminal for HS installation, with the installer in your app folder, and this command ... Source, it's derived from a post at InsanelyMac.
Similar find, some more discussion, incl. confirmation: Can you install High Sierra and not convert to APSF
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... I rebooted and everything was normal again. :) Except the HDMIAudio. Still trying to restore that. :-(
I'm using HDMiAudio as well, for my TV. Whenever updates caused it to disappear from my audio output list, running Kext Utility once reliably brings it back to life – even in HS.
 
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I'm bumping into a weird issue with the actual release version on my 5,1. When I start the install I get the instructions for the firmware upgrade, have to press shut down, fill in my password but then nothing happens... When I then manually shut down and keep the power button pressed until it flashes it just regularly reboots into Sierra showing the same firmware update screen. Does anyone have a suggestion?
 
I'm bumping into a weird issue with the actual release version on my 5,1. When I start the install I get the instructions for the firmware upgrade, have to press shut down, fill in my password but then nothing happens... When I then manually shut down and keep the power button pressed until it flashes it just regularly reboots into Sierra showing the same firmware update screen. Does anyone have a suggestion?
I’m having the same issue, but I’m installing from USB. Anyone else have this issue?
 
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Poking around in Disk Utility, I see I have the option to convert my spinning disks to APFS. Has anyone tried this yet? Is this something worth doing?

apfs.png
 
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Yeah, I still have a Mac Edition 680 I swapped in for the upgrade.

As an update for people who find themselves in the same position (installing fresh from USB, firmware update ‘shut down’ button does nothing) the fix seems to be running the installer from an existing macOS installation. Once the firmware update has run, a USB clean install should work as expected.
 
Poking around in Disk Utility, I see I have the option to convert my spinning disks to APFS. Has anyone tried this yet? Is this something worth doing?

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Definitely worth doing.
I believe the reason Apple didn’t do this automatically during the OS upgrade is because it takes so long to do.
People’s upgrades with multiple non-SSD disks would have taken hours and hours to complete.
There’s nothing stopping you setting the time aside and doing the upgrade manually however.
 
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Yeah im a little lost, what benefit would putting APFS on spinners be?
There are a few benefits granted to SSDs running a more modern file system like APFS, but the majority of features APFS provides are benefitical independent of the type of media your boot volume resides on.
 
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Did you try to run the installer form another hard drive?

Yep, from a SM951 connected through PCI-e and a 512GB 840 Pro connected to SATA port both give the same result. Or should I put a full separate install of macOS Sierra on that 512GB SSD?

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Just started trying that but when the download for Sierra should start it says it is temporarily not available :D

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Ok, just found an El Capitan installer, making a bootable USB stick now to install it on a partition of my SATA 512GB SSD, to then hopefully install the firmware updater tool. Taking the SM951 PCI-e SSD out of the equation, however, I think more people here have that PCI-e based flash and installed High Sierra just fine :/ Ah well.. Can't help trying!

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El Capitan image is corrupt, which is weird in itself... Dammmmmmn, I'll have to see if I can charter a GT120 somewhere :/
 
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I had no problem upgrading to Hi Sierra, 2x, It did take much longer than I expected,...close to an hour.
I run SM951 blades too, but chose to upgrade a clone of a back-up...on een Samsung 850 EVO.
Forgot to change the GPU, but it went straight to install and no firmware flash.

Monday evening I did the same upgrade on an older back-up, as I have an unflashed GTX TITAN, it was neccesary to switch to a GT120.
BTW, my Mac was already flashed with this new firmware, the beta's, but despite that I had to do it again, and ended up with the same firmware version.o_O

So when I did the upgrade last night on the 850 EVO, I expected the same, but now it went straight to installing, no DL required even. :cool:
And now the TITAN is showing in sys profile/ PCI too instead of the 'error'.
 
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