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How macOS Sierra handle Mac Pro 4,1 and 5,1? Interesting!!
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I can confirm several things:
Still downloading, but don't expect any further install issues.
Thank you everyone for your help.
- I was able to update my firmware from 4.1 to 5.1 after mounting the efi update dmg and running the firmware update tool.
- Nothing happen after startup but then after I disabled SIP the firmware updated as expected.
- I'm now able to download macOS from the app store.
Still downloading, but don't expect any further install issues.
Thank you everyone for your help.
Netkas, do you know if the model numbers for the unsupported Macs can simply be added into Sierra and saved to the installer? That way, Sierra might not block the 4,1 and 3,1 from installing. I know that the 4,1 can be flashed to look like a 5,1, but the 3,1 cannot do that. And, anyway, I would rather not flash my 4,1 if I don't actually have to. There must be a way to add back in the model numbers that are missing, and that goes for the unsupported 2009 Mac Mini, 2009 MacBook Pro, 2007/2008 iMacs, and late 2008 MacBook Air.
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Netkas, вы знаете, если номера моделей для неподдерживаемых компьютеров Mac можно просто добавить в Sierra и сохранены в программе установки? Таким образом, Sierra не может блокировать и 4,1 3,1 от установки. Я знаю, что 4,1 могут быть прошиты, чтобы выглядеть как 5,1, но не 3,1 может сделать это. И, во всяком случае, я предпочел бы не мерцает мой 4,1, если я не на самом деле нужно. Там должен быть способ, чтобы добавить обратно в номера модели, которые отсутствуют, и это касается неподдерживаемых 2009 Mac Mini, MacBook Pro 2009, 2007/2008 Маках, и в конце 2008 года MacBook Air.
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Yeah, all you apparently have to do is run the 4,1 firmware-updater application that people use for their 4,1s when they upgrade their CPUs to the 5,1's CPU specifications. However, what about the 3,1? Netkas listed some old steps that he said work for the 3,1, but I'm willing to bet that that complex set of steps is not necessary, and that the 3,1's model number can be added back to Sierra in its internal list of unsupported machines, along with all the other newly unsupported machines.
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Netkas, вы знаете, если номера моделей для неподдерживаемых компьютеров Mac можно просто добавить в Sierra и сохранены в программе установки? Таким образом, Sierra не может блокировать и 4,1 3,1 от установки. Я знаю, что 4,1 могут быть прошиты, чтобы выглядеть как 5,1, но не 3,1 может сделать это. И, во всяком случае, я предпочел бы не мерцает мой 4,1, если я не на самом деле нужно. Там должен быть способ, чтобы добавить обратно в номера модели, которые отсутствуют, и это касается неподдерживаемых 2009 Mac Mini, MacBook Pro 2009, 2007/2008 Маках, и в конце 2008 года MacBook Air.
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Yeah, all you apparently have to do is run the 4,1 firmware-updater application that people use for their 4,1s when they upgrade their CPUs to the 5,1's CPU specifications. However, what about the 3,1? Netkas listed some old steps that he said work for the 3,1, but I'm willing to bet that that complex set of steps is not necessary, and that the 3,1's model number can be added back to Sierra in its internal list of unsupported machines, along with all the other newly unsupported machines.
I tried doing this on my MacBookPro5,4 and it did NOT work. I have not had the chance to test it on my 4,1->5,1 Mac Pro though.
Can you please help us with a good guide or disk image? This will make our life much easier.
That's too bad. Luckily, what may happen sooner or later is that the same people who made the customized boot.efi for the 1,1/2,1 Mac Pro (for Mountain Lion through El Capitan) will create a patched version of Sierra that will include the IDs for all the newly-unsupported Macs, adding them back. However, there's no knowing if those little things will work (or whatever new features are being added). With the 1,1/2,1 Mac Pros, Messages and FaceTime wouldn't work right away.
I already know two people who are sort of working on this; although IDK who will be first / who will have the best patched version of the OS. Kind of scary, though, that certain things could still be broken, and with a Mac this modern (2009 Mac Pro, for me). I may follow what is happening, but I'm likely not going to touch Sierra until it is completely stable and ready for its unsupported Macs. In fact, I might stay on El Capitan for a while. I mean, the 4,1 doesn't need a patched OS - it can just receive the firmware update - but IDK what works and what doesn't.
Forget the wifi, I am just sick and tired of everything Apple does requiring a Bluetooth 4.x chip! It's like really? Everything you do revolves around Bluetooth 4.x? And you just WON'T FreAKING allow people to "simply" plug in a BT4.0 dongle? (I know about the continuity want to be hack) but still... BT4.0 is insanely CORE for Apple!
Bluetooth dongles have been plug and play in the past. It remains to be seen if it's any different in Sierra.
Well, I'm at a crossroad folks. Here is my delimma.
I don't doubt we'll get the Mac Pro 3,1 (and lower) working with Sierra. Let me define working though, as that is the point of this post. What I mean is that we'll get it to install and you'll be able to boot it.
Here is my issue:
The majority of the "sexy" features such as AUTO (UN)LOCK / Universal Clipboard / Apple Pay - just to name three, are all going to require WIFI and Bluetooth 4.0. The Mac Pro 3,1 certainly does not natively support Bluetooth 4.0.
So, is there much point even bothering with Sierra unless you have one of these?
http://www.osxwifi.com/adapters/app...th-4-0-with-adapter-for-macpro-2008-2007-2006
I don't - and I'm not currently inclined right now to go and spend more money on a machine that Apple have now officially decided to no longer support future OSX releases.
So I've decided to halt any further work on this until I come to a conclusion - either continue to invest in the Mac Pro 3,1 and make it work just like a current Mac Pro in terms of functionality with Sierrra, or give up, and buy a new computer.
Thoughts?
I don't doubt we'll get the Mac Pro 3,1 (and lower) working with Sierra. Let me define working though, as that is the point of this post. What I mean is that we'll get it to install and you'll be able to boot it.
Here is my issue:
The majority of the "sexy" features such as AUTO (UN)LOCK / Universal Clipboard / Apple Pay - just to name three, are all going to require WIFI and Bluetooth 4.0. The Mac Pro 3,1 certainly does not natively support Bluetooth 4.0.
So, is there much point even bothering with Sierra unless you have one of these?
http://www.osxwifi.com/adapters/app...th-4-0-with-adapter-for-macpro-2008-2007-2006
I don't - and I'm not currently inclined right now to go and spend more money on a machine that Apple have now officially decided to no longer support future OSX releases.
So I've decided to halt any further work on this until I come to a conclusion - either continue to invest in the Mac Pro 3,1 and make it work just like a current Mac Pro in terms of functionality with Sierrra, or give up, and buy a new computer.
Thoughts?
Of course, if one can edit installesd.dmg then replacing three files would be enough, then removing one file from installed system.
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Of course, if one can edit installesd.dmg then replacing three files would be enough (two plists with platforms list and OSInstall.mpkg), then removing one file from installed system (one more plist).
Well, you can buy the same hardware from eBay at 1/3 of the price you linked. Search and see what I mean
About the rest... just wait and see what our community can find out or work on a "patch". If you can't wait, I suggest you go get a custom built PC and if you need macOS installed to it, use the Hackintosh way. Better performance than any Mac Pro can be achieved, only headache is patching/drivers/bootloaders etc.
Be patient and always make some research before you buy anything
Cheers!
Yup, all those features will require a new wifi/bluetooth adaptor. However, that adaptor can be had for far less money if you search around on Ebay. I recently purchased one with PCI-e adaptor for about $35 for my upcoming hackintosh build.
Well, you can buy the same hardware from eBay at 1/3 of the price you linked. Search and see what I mean
About the rest... just wait and see what our community can find out or work on a "patch". If you can't wait, I suggest you go get a custom built PC and if you need macOS installed to it, use the Hackintosh way. Better performance than any Mac Pro can be achieved, only headache is patching/drivers/bootloaders etc.
Be patient and always make some research before you buy anything
Cheers!
I've been down the Hackintosh path and got a PC fully up and running. It is such a PITA to keep it maintained though, so I haven't bothered doing that. Each time Apple released an update, something broke, and then I had to research how to fix it. It just wasn't worth it.
As for Mac Pro 3,1 - what I guess I am trying to find out is whether it ends up evolving into its own sort of Hackintosh in terms of maintenance due to the hacking we will have to do to get it to install and then ongoing hacking to keep it maintained... I don't really want to buy another card for this machine only to decide its just too much effort.
I'm not in a hurry, so I'll see what evolves over the coming weeks.
I searched Amazon, and found it for half the price than the link above ($56 for the adapter and wifi / bluetooth card) - can't find one that is a third of the price though.
Hackintosh has matured greatly. I used a Dell PC that I found in the trash to test hackintoshing El Capitan. I was up and running within an hour and upgraded to 10.11.5 through the App Store without any issues. Everything on the computer works including sleep/wake. My experience with this machine is what convinced me to build a hackintosh.
It all depends upon your baseline specs as to how easy or difficult it is to maintain. I only recently jumped out of it, and things like WIFI, Bluetooth, USB 3 support were difficult to keep maintaining - it wasn't just a matter of updating via the app store. Also, when Apple introduced SIP, then that just pissed me right off
Anyway, not to get this thread off topic, the purpose of using my Mac Pro was to just have out of the box support without having to hack around.
What I am trying to determine is whether there is a one off hack to get Sierra working, or whether there is going to be similar effort to that of a hackintosh to maintain it. Time will tell.
I'm sitting on the fence on that one. So far, really, all you need to do to get it working now, is to tell the installer that your Mac Pro 3,1 (or whatever obsolete computer) is allowed to be installed. That's it.
The question is, when updates come out via the app store, will there be extra work, or will it just update?
The second question is, will all the functionality in Sierra just work so long as the hardware is in the Mac Pro?
I thin this: After installing final release, Sierra will need only one kind of effort to keep to going - remove one plist file after every os update, which probably can be automized with some script
See the following links:
Adapter, the same I've got last year:
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Mini-PCI-E-...523725?hash=item3f50fa590d:g:eLAAAOSw7ThUkvHI
Card (I admit the prices went up! I bought it for $23 last year)
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Apple-Broad...475630?hash=item3d15e727ee:g:kmYAAMXQRPRTJl3u
The first link is the same product with the one I have and bought from this seller. The second it's just the cheapest I've found today. The card's price went up by 70% I think... weird!
I hope this helps, or buy from Amazon to have a total warranty for both
So the question is - will someone write an installer for it and also a script to automate to make life easy? I'm not suggesting you do that - but I wonder whether that's what the opportunity is for someone?
Secondly, I'm inclined to agree with you - and that all the functionality will work so long as the right hardware is in the Mac Pro (eg Bluetooth 4.0, WIFI, a graphics cards that will support metal, etc etc.)
Once, up and running, I would expect macOS to take advantage of whatever hardware is available to it. I think the important things are to have a video card that's supported (I'd read elsewhere that drivers for some older cards have been removed) and to have the upgraded wifi/bluetooth adaptor if you want the continuity features.
As for OS updates, I have no idea if checks are made on the hardware for them but, if I had to guess, I'd say it doesn't.
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