Not to be too pedantic, but the iMac panel is better than the 24" Dell monitor.
And the proof of that is where?
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How much does the 24" iMac cost PART II
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And the proof of that is where?
This post: https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/4076283/
This is the entire thread:
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/344204/
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how much is it for the sam dell computer as the 20'' baseline aluminum iMac with the exact stuff...webcam..ir..remote..etc
how much is it for the sam dell computer as the 20'' baseline aluminum iMac with the exact stuff...webcam..ir..remote..etc
I'll ask again...
And the proof that this panel is better than the one in the dell is where?
That would be $1355 for the XPS 210 with the same features (I choose Photoshop and Premiere Elements to make up for iLife). But it has 2GB of RAM and the base iMac with 2GB RAM from Apple costs $1349. So the iMac is $6 cheaper
The H-IPS panel may be great, but equating the new iMacs screen to a $1300+ monitor from NEC is not a fair comparison.
There's a lot more that goes into a monitor than the panel itself.
I can't find it at the moment, but there's also a Planar brand monitor that is reported to use the same panel and sells for much less than the NEC 2490. It also doesn't look as good.
Yes, H-IPS is better than PVA/MVA/TN... that's a definite plus.
Not sure what else you want... What is the speculation here?
If you want to find out more look at that thread I referred you to.
I posted a lot of info in there.
You can also check this site:
http://www.monitorsrc.com/news/the-lg-h-ips-panel/
Just looked at Planar's website and none of their monitors listed are using the LG LM240WU2 Panel..
Maybe they have a new monitor that is not listed on the site... I don't know.
There is really not a lot that goes into the monitor besides the panel... (Not talking about Dell and all their fancy monitor accessories)
Basically you have your cabinet, connectors and power supply. All of which are very minimal costs.
EDIT:
Here I found the info about the new Planar's (These are the same ones listed on their site)
NONE OF THEM ARE H-IPS
Here is the info I found:
26″ PX2611W LCD Monitor
* 1920 x 1200 Native resolution
* S-IPS panel
* 800:1 contrast ratio
* 178/178 viewing angles
* 500 cd/m2 brightness
* 5ms gtg response time
* DVI (HDCP), VGA inputs
* 4-Port USB Hub - not on the 24″ one
24″ PX2411W LCD Monitor
* 1920 x 1200 Native resolution
* S-PVA panel
* 6ms gtg response time
* 1000:1 contrast ratio
* 450 cd/m2 brightness
* 178 / 178 viewing angles
* DVI, VGA inputs - No mention of HDCP compliancy
22″ PX2210MW LCD Monitor
* 1680 x 1050 Native resolution
* TN Panel
* 5ms response time
* 800:1 contrast ratio
* 300 cd/m2 brightness
* 170 / 160 viewing angles
* DVI (HDCP), VGA inputs
* Built-in speakers and headphone jack
Actually it's more like no one taking the true base price into consideration. You will never be too certain about the $1799 price tag of the 24" iMac because you have to take into consideration the styrofoam, etc. Not to mention what the other posters say about Apple getting discounts from the OEMs for buying their products by the thousands.
I am just trying to shine some light on a dark and very skewed thread.
You're leaving out all of the electronics that control a monitors color settings/calibration. It's not all built into the panel itself. Companies choose to setup panels differently - and build in different software to control the panel.
Also, the NEC has the big advantage of not having the high gloss piece of glass attached to the front of it.
I'll find the info on the Planar monitor... I was reading about it yesterday, I think on hardforum.com. "ToastyX" (who originally posted on macrumors that the 24" iMac was H-IPS) was participating in the discussions about the Planar monitor on that site as well.
EDIT: bah, hardforum.com seems to be down at the moment... I'll check again later
Well in the very large red letters on the first post (I am not sure if you missed it) it said:
"This thread is strictly to see what the STREET PRICES are of the components used in the iMac.
I do not care what Apple could build it for!!!"
A consumer can not buy his product in the thousands and a consumer does not need to buy Styrofoam.
My responses are in bold.. Too lazy too separate the quotes... haha
Okay, I may be mistaken about the Planar 24" monitor. It's the 26" one that has H-IPS (even though it's advertised as S-IPS) - which is supposedly using the same panel as the NEC 2690, but costs much less.
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.p...task=view&id=84&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=1
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/53065-3-planar-px2611w-review#t369696
http://benchmarkreviews.com/index.p...task=view&id=84&Itemid=1&limit=1&limitstart=1
http://www.tomshardware.com/forum/53065-3-planar-px2611w-review#t369696
Then the fact remains that you're going to get mixed up representations for whatever it is that you're trying to prove. You can't set out to accomplish something and not take into count what it will take to get you there.
In other words, what are you looking to find out? It seems that you made your calculations in the first post, then found that it would cost you $3100 to make the 20" iMac, then compared it to the same thing you wanted to leave out of your calculations, which is the price of the iMac at $1799.
But you won't get any accurate measurements for your question. You added up the price of each individual part of the machine retail value, not wholesale. When you pay for the Apple mouse, keyboard, iLife, Mac OS X, and other OEM parts like the monitor, processor, motherboard, etc. your getting charged for the packaging, shipping, and QC as well.
Your first price was a bit off because of the retail value of the parts.
Your final Apple cost is off because that is what Apple is selling it to you for, not constructing it.
I fully understand (somewhat) what you are asking, but you left it kind of ambiguous by leaving out the main part of your research which is what Apple will charge you for the machine, and you added in unnecessary factors like packaging for the parts you have, so where is it going?
Not trying to be nasty, just curious.
I would love to do an OEM actual Apple cost thread... But I am not privileged to that info...
All I am trying to prove is that the iMac is a great buy for the money...
I was originally going to build a PC, but I looked at the new 24" iMac and said screw it.
There is no way I could build a machine that nice for the same amount of money. (Not only is the hardware nice, but it is also aesthetically nice.) It is a great machine for the $
I know someone that is.I would love to do an OEM actual Apple cost thread... But I am not privileged to that info...
I know someone that doesn't trust iSuppli's numbers.
(although, probably a bit more accurate than adding up the retail cost of each individual component
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I would love to do an OEM actual Apple cost thread... But I am not privileged to that info...
All I am trying to prove is that the iMac is a great buy for the money...
I was originally going to build a PC, but I looked at the new 24" iMac and said screw it.
There is no way I could build a machine that nice for the same amount of money. (Not only is the hardware nice, but it is also aesthetically nice.) It is a great machine for the $
Oh... okay... not saying that I am a Mac Zealot but I was just curious about what was going on for the above reasons. I mean no offense when I say this but: Of course the iMac is a great buy for the money, the design alone is worth the price. The hardware may upset some people and the fact that you can't upgrade the hardware may turn some people off but 85% of the market, businesses included, would be very happy with Apple's consumer offerings.
The GPU junkies are shouting to the top of their lungs about a gamer Mac and a make that costs $1200 with the same customization as the MacPro but I don't think it will happen. All-in-ones have been Apple's thing for almost a decade and they haven't lost any business so far.
You can´t compare street prices, lol
Apple buys a lot of components so they buy them much cheaper! And they buy them without consumer package and instruction, ect (cheaper again). And they buy them straight from the manufacter, it doesn´t go to retailers (so.. cheaper again).
And if you add the fact that manufacter want to be in the iMac, cause it gives them status and the iMac is a machine they you can´t add other components that the ones they have in there: you can say that Apple got those components even cheaper!
So it´s.. cheaper cheaper cheaper for Apple.
The profit margin of Apple in their products is more or less 40%. Take those 40% of, then taxes and retailers profit margin (no more than 20%) and you have what it cost to make 1 iMac to Apple.
It´s +- 700Dollars on the 24" 1800Dollars iMac.
Apple buys a lot of components so they buy them much cheaper! And they buy them without consumer package and instruction, ect (cheaper again). And they buy them straight from the manufacter, it doesn´t go to retailers (so.. cheaper again).
And if you add the fact that manufacter want to be in the iMac, cause it gives them status and the iMac is a machine they you can´t add other components that the ones they have in there: you can say that Apple got those components even cheaper!
So it´s.. cheaper cheaper cheaper for Apple.
The profit margin of Apple in their products is more or less 40%. Take those 40% of, then taxes and retailers profit margin (no more than 20%) and you have what it cost to make 1 iMac to Apple.
It´s +- 700Dollars on the 24" 1800Dollars iMac.
