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How much does the 24" iMac cost PART II
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Its not stupidty so much as bull-headedness. Some people will not believe that Macs are cheaper than Dells.
i think the point of this thread is to point out that the 24" iMac is a pretty amazing deal, given the components included.
the confirmation of the H-IPS panel is a big one.
those that upgraded to the 2.8 extreme chip (confirmed X7900) is another.
and the fact that the HD2600 Pro is a custom chip for apple that is significantly better spec'd than the version on ATI's site.
I would love to do an OEM actual Apple cost thread... But I am not privileged to that info...
Just for the curious... I've read that in the past Apple has targeted the price of the Macintosh to achieve a 40% profile margin. Who knows if this is still the case. For the iPod I've read it is even higher at around 50%.
Hmm. A mass produced computer being cheaper than it would be to build it part by part! No way! What an thought.
The comparison is valid, but by no means sound. I see that he added the NEC I linked in another thread as comparison to the iMac. Which is one of the most idiotic things I have seen. Go based on the panel cost. Not a fully built monitor that from a professional standpoint blows the iMac away.
The comparison is valid, but by no means sound. I see that he added the NEC I linked in another thread as comparison to the iMac. Which is one of the most idiotic things I have seen. Go based on the panel cost. Not a fully built monitor that from a professional standpoint blows the iMac away.
Hmm. A mass produced computer being cheaper than it would be to build it part by part! No way! What an thought.
The comparison is valid, but by no means sound. I see that he added the NEC I linked in another thread as comparison to the iMac. Which is one of the most idiotic things I have seen. Go based on the panel cost. Not a fully built monitor that from a professional standpoint blows the iMac away.
Sorry man, but you have been a real jerk in recent threads and ended up being dead wrong in a few...
Why can I not compare the NEC to the iMac display? They both use the same parts to make it work... (There is more than a panel in the iMac)
How the hell does the NEC display blow the iMac display away when the the SAME THING...
P.S. There are quite a few Mass Produced Computers out there that are more expensive than building it... I even took time to list certain computers...
You have been consistently posting false info.
How are people this clueless as to the OPs post? It doesn't matter if it cost Apple $1 to produce it. It is what a normal Joe can get it for. Even taking away the $1400 the OP put down for the display and making it $600 it would run ~$2350.00 for a normal person to build this machine if they could get the enclosure. Gotta love the guy splitting hairs over the panel. I find it a great post and thanks to the OP for the info. Makes you think that maybe Apple does a decent job in its pricing.
You clearly don't know much about displays. I was wrong about the panel, I won't doubt that (although I do see next P). But that panel does not make the iMac equal to the NEC. The NEC uses better processing in the form of better LUTs and the likes. The extra expense for a Lacie, Eizo, or NEC is worth it. And no pro is going to drop their displays and buy an iMac because the iMac happens to use the same panel. At best, you could tack on an overpriced 23" ACD, which uses older IPS tech but is used for color consistency.
What false info have i posted? I held onto to the idea that until the H-IPS panel was confirmed no one should say "It is an H-IPS. Even now, I wouldn't say it for sure. Since the only data posted is from text that can be altered. But, i am not gonna fight that. So please show me where there is false info.
Your comparison is very flawed. Yes there are computers more expensive than building. Specifically the extremely low volume "gaming" machines for the not so hardware inclined people.
You know this how? Have you actually looked at the iMac or are you talking out of your arse again?
How do you figure the NEC has better Look up Tables?
Sounds like you are just trying to throw technical jargon out there to make it look like you know what you are talking about.
Yes. My fiancee has an iMac on the way. And we have one at work (which were deployed so I didn't get to play much). The better question is have you seen the NEC? Do you know why the NEC costs so much. Have you read reviews? Or would you rather post a link from newegg and add $1400 to your ridiculous and unrealistic comparison?
The NEC is well documented. I suggest you actually go educate yourself on display tech and why pros buy NEC, Eizo, and Lacie before claiming my info as false. Are you really implying that their is no difference and that one should just buy an iMac or a some cheap display for that matter simply because it has a specific panel? The panel is only one piece that makes display.
Technical jargon? Whatever it takes to make you feel good. You also didn't address where I posted false information.
Your H-IPS thread: And your FALSE statements!
Here is your best one:
Lol, Look who is talking ^^^
Dude you are a joke! Give it up.
Quit acting like you are so high and mighty....
You could not even answer my question about LUT's Instead you try to turn it around and tell me to research stuff... If you are the genius why don't you tell us all?
I am not claiming to know everything about LCD's... That would be YOU!
My point in that thread, which of course is ignored due to your meticulous selection of sentences that help support your wonderful post, was that one persons subjective viewing of the panel does not warrant the statement "The iMac has an H-IPS panel." Even now, there is still no HARD evidence. Meaning an objective site like kodawari-san who disassembles and gives us the exact panel. Text from an app can be edited to fit a claim. That is not objective data.
I don't see how I am a joke. But again, whatever makes you feel good.
Factual statements presented as such can be false.
Opinions based on evidence that are later proven wrong (and accepted as wrong as I mostly have) are not false and hardly a joke.
I am not denying that I may be wrong. I simply felt that it didn't have one. If i am wrong I am wrong. If you would rather point out my flaws and in turn claim anything I say is wrong that is your prerogative but I would hope that you would see the fallacy in that rationale.
The NEC has a 12-bit LUT. As outlined here:
http://www.necdisplay.com/Products/Product/?product=a46240bd-a846-4de7-b644-bd7f0b7e6ece
The other features are also outlined there for you.
The ACD for reference is 8 bit. A post by me.
https://forums.macrumors.com/posts/3877312/
Eizo has a 10-bit and maybe now an 12-bit.
I did not take that out of context... Here is the entire post so everyone can see that is what you said:
I am sorry, but that post was just uncalled for in someone else's thread... Why didn't you make your own thread if you felt so strongly it was a PVA, MVA or TN?
Also, that test can be run by anyone with a simple app...
The results have been duplicated by another user on these forums aswell...
Dude you are a joke.
Wake claims that the iMac has an H-IPS and has shown a link where someone stated that it was indeed.
You have said that it could not be and have shown no proof that it isn't. Some proof(wake) is better than no proof (you).
That is a good post, but what is the new iMac?
As I said earlier, I am far from an expert... But, it is not fair to say the iMac is a crappier screen without knowing what is in it...
P.S. Not trying to make enimies Sun...
Just don't like how you act so sure, when you are just as unsure as the rest of us...
So what you are saying is that anyone attempting to discuss and get down to the facts should stay out of a thread? So only people who agree are allowed?
For example, should I have allowed inaccurate information to be presented and leave it at that simply because it is not my thread?
https://forums.macrumors.com/threads/342972/
I am not always right and I know that. However. Your suggestion to stay out of a thread that claims something to be fact without any other backup is hardly what a forum is for. If the OP of that thread didn't want other opinions he shouldn't have posted. This is an open forum and as such anyone can post.
Also, the post you quoted holds true. I didn't think it was right for the OP to post a statement of fact with no verification from an objective source with hard evidence. Even now, I don't necessarily believe the text data being dished out. That is outside of this discussion though.
I did not say crappy. Lets avoid the placement of words in my mouth. I said it does not compare to the NEC in any real fashion. Finding the panel cost would be a better comparison. Tacking on $1400 to your already flawed comparison makes the whole thing laughable and shows your true intention in this thread, which even then isn't exactly clear.
I am fairly confident of the fact that Apple is not using high end electronics to control a display in a consumer computer. I may be wrong. But again. Until I get one in my hands for some hard tests or someone disassembles I will hold by my opinion.
I am off to class for awhile. Don't talk about me too bad while I am gone
Come on now man...
Your looking to pick fights.
You posted in his thread like 5 times that you thought he was wrong about it being an H-IPS... Was that really necessary?
Then you went as far to say "However, there is no way the iMac has an H-IPS."
And then you say "Also, the post you quoted holds true."
You must be a stubborn man... You don't know when to back down...
In this thread you won't stop, and in the other thread you didn't even have the courage to admit you were wrong...
Isn't that a fancy way of saying crappy?
Not clear? I posted like 10 times it was to show that the iMac is actually a pretty good deal. Most people seem to think the price is very inflated.
Just as confident as you were about the H-IPS panel?
You are more than welcome to have your own opinion, as long as you don't tell me mine is wrong.
I am off to class for awhile. Don't talk about me too bad while I am gone
Haha, don't worry man, I am about to head out myself... I hope you are not taking this thread personally. It is all in good internet fun...
I am sure you know that by now as u have like 2 thousand posts... lol
Okay children, it's time to stop arguing back and forth between each other.
The point of this thread was very simple - usually, when Apple brings out a new machine, people groan about the price, and start saying:
"I could build a wintel machine with the same specs for half the price!"
Now, let's see if I can cover the several crazy arguments that I've heard in this thread so far:
1. It really doesn't matter how much it costs Apple to make the machine, what matters is if an individual can purchase parts on the open market to build a comparable computer.
2. If the iMac uses an H-IPS panel, the most direct comparison should include a H-IPS panel. If there are no comparable H-IPS panels on the market (i.e., the closest monitor using a similar or the same panel is several leagues above the iMac), you need to suggest a comparable monitor to use for a cost comparison, not just (*@#$ and moan that a $1400 NEC looks different than the $2700 iMac screen.
3. There is more to a monitor than the panel. Arguing that the 24" iMac and 24" NEC are the same is a bad idea unless you can make a direct comparison with them sitting side by side.
4. Likewise, you cannot say that they are not equal, unless you can make a direct comparison with both side by side.
5. Even if you cheapen up the specifications of the panel used for the computer (I doubt the average iMac owner can tell the difference between an H-IPS panel and an S-IPS panel, etc.), the iMac represents a very good deal in packaged form.
Other concerns, such as expandability and glass concerns, etc. are valid, but not as a part of this discussion. This discussion is very simply: How much would it cost a consumer to build a comparable computer.
Now... everyone should just slow down a bit, stop the personal attacks, and breathe. It's a simple thread, and it's gone on 3 pages... not because anyone is discussing the topic, but because people are acting like 12 year olds.
The point of this thread was very simple - usually, when Apple brings out a new machine, people groan about the price, and start saying:
"I could build a wintel machine with the same specs for half the price!"
Now, let's see if I can cover the several crazy arguments that I've heard in this thread so far:
1. It really doesn't matter how much it costs Apple to make the machine, what matters is if an individual can purchase parts on the open market to build a comparable computer.
2. If the iMac uses an H-IPS panel, the most direct comparison should include a H-IPS panel. If there are no comparable H-IPS panels on the market (i.e., the closest monitor using a similar or the same panel is several leagues above the iMac), you need to suggest a comparable monitor to use for a cost comparison, not just (*@#$ and moan that a $1400 NEC looks different than the $2700 iMac screen.
3. There is more to a monitor than the panel. Arguing that the 24" iMac and 24" NEC are the same is a bad idea unless you can make a direct comparison with them sitting side by side.
4. Likewise, you cannot say that they are not equal, unless you can make a direct comparison with both side by side.
5. Even if you cheapen up the specifications of the panel used for the computer (I doubt the average iMac owner can tell the difference between an H-IPS panel and an S-IPS panel, etc.), the iMac represents a very good deal in packaged form.
Other concerns, such as expandability and glass concerns, etc. are valid, but not as a part of this discussion. This discussion is very simply: How much would it cost a consumer to build a comparable computer.
Now... everyone should just slow down a bit, stop the personal attacks, and breathe. It's a simple thread, and it's gone on 3 pages... not because anyone is discussing the topic, but because people are acting like 12 year olds.
Agreed! And I am man enough to admit I have taken some of these posts to far...
Just didn't think people would make such a big deal about this thread... lol
Wake man... I am glad that you and me didn't get into this rut in the beginning. I understood the thread after asking my fourteen questions... then you broke it down for me nice and SLOWW...
Then I was like OH... Okay... now I get it... then I left before it got hot and steamy.
Then I was like OH... Okay... now I get it... then I left before it got hot and steamy.
I'm the one who posted the original DDC report. I assure you it was not altered in any way. Anyone with access to a 24" iMac is welcome to downlaod SwitchResX and confirm my results. In fact, at least one person already has.
Great. Now go research eBay prices for the various components and you'll come back with a price of $1573 and make us all look like schumcks.