How much does the 24" iMac cost PART II

[Digital Skunk]

For Windows the majority of the issues tend not to be the operating system itself but the drivers and applications. That's quality control that Microsoft has tried to improve but it's still up to the component manufacturers and software developers to meet those standards. That applies to both built from scratch and pre-built machines

I agree with this. You're right that I can't blame Windows for not working well with Avid and other apps, but the fact the fact is that Windows just doesn't cut it in todays world. No one wants to crank start their car just like no one wants to contact four different vendors because their GPU drivers don't work.

Those that build their own machine can do so, and those that want to be up and running in no time flat can do so as well. On the same note though, no one can over look the failure of MS and Vista. Their blatant disregard for consistency and compatibility is another reason for MS not being the company it used to be.

 

[Digital Skunk]

You clearly didn't read my post where I admitted that I may be wrong. (Which is in fact in this thread) It was my opinion that the iMac did not have an H-IPS panel. Please tell me how an opinion (and one at that) warrants "you post false information." His point was indeed an opinion. Why is one opinion valued more than another? It is a discussion, a discussion where people disagree. My skepticism of the panel in the iMac aside, what is more interesting is the willingness to immediately accept something based on another persons opinion. If the OP of that thread turned out to be wrong would you have been such a jerk to him? If he would have continued to fight but was proven wrong. I doubt it. The attention I am receiving is due to nothing short of the fact that I am not going praise Apple as quick as the typical people here. Of course this is not the first time this has happened to me here.

People have posted some SwitchResX panel data, which is decent evidence. But I still think a disassembly would be a better indication of what it is. Although I should trust Alloeye since I bought something from him.

Hookedonphonics? People who can't have a discussion quite often resort to pointless insults. Posting a link to something like that, with no recommendation as to why I need it is quite childish. It would be akin to me posting a link to a site about facial reconstruction.

Anyhow, comparing a mass produced Apple computer to retail notebook components is a ridiculous comparison. And holds no relevance to assessing the iMacs cost or value. If you want to compare an iMac to other machines, such as a Dell or something in the All-in-one class, that is a relevant comparison.

Is the iMac overpriced? This comparison does not answer that question. You can argue all you like. Do I think the iMac is a good value? Hell yeah. I think most of the Macs are a good value. Hence, that is why I am here and that is why I buy them. Regardless, my love of Macs does not blind me to the fact that this comparison is ridiculous. That, unfortunately, is not the case for you.



You can run something besides Windows you know. Windows has nothing to offer? How about corporate standardization? I don't run Windows myself, but I do support at my uni and things like Office, Outlook, etc are invaluable. Whether or not Apple can compete, the fact that this world is Windows cannot be ignored.

You clearly haven't looked much at the building market. With cases from Lian-li, Silverstone the misconception of beige and plastic should not persist. You suggestion that this is the case shows your lack of research and knowledge on the subject. Ugly is subjective, not objective as most here like to think. Being a blinded Apple fanboy is not useful if you truly want to show people the beauty of a Mac. You might want to try researching and forming arguments that actually sound intelligent... "Windows...YUCK!" I think you get the point.


"If they are running Windows XP or Vista or some form of Windows, and are still running fine, then they don't get used enough to break." What a grand assume on your part. The PCs I have built, including my mothers, is used daily. For the same things Macs are used for. Would a Mac be better? Maybe, but that is not what is being discussed. I do not have to debug.

And with your real world example. I work at a University where I work on a support team that supports the entire business end of the university. Student accounts, comptroller, etc. The frequency of debugging Windows itself is a rare occurrence. This out of nearly 600+ machines. I would hardly call you one instance indicative of what happens in the real world.

Don't start with me man... I don't disagree with anything you are saying. Leave that research this and that stuff from wherever you come from. My opinions are my own just like yours are yours. Windows YUCK wasn't meant to be upheld as a valid argument for anything.

(1) Get a life
(2) Stop trying so hard to argue
(3) I am not going to start anything with you because you seem to be a hot head that has a few more posts before mine to disprove and re-establish your own facts with.
(4) Why are you even arguing about my own opinion of Windows. Your school has windows... fine... my department is Macintosh. We train students in Communication Studies for the real world, where we use Macs. Both our schools are happy.
(5) Get a grip.

 

[Eidorian]

I agree with this. You're right that I can't blame Windows for not working well with Avid and other apps, but the fact the fact is that Windows just doesn't cut it in todays world. No one wants to crank start their car just like no one wants to contact four different vendors because their GPU drivers don't work.

Those that build their own machine can do so, and those that want to be up and running in no time flat can do so as well. On the same note though, no one can over look the failure of MS and Vista. Their blatant disregard for consistency and compatibility is another reason for MS not being the company it used to be.

You'd only have to go directly to the chipset manufacturer for desktop video. nVidia, ATI, Intel, and VIA all have standardized and unified video drivers.

Microsoft has a lot against them when it comes to trying to make changes. People get the illusion that they have to have perfect and perpetual compatibility. OS X libraries are changed in every revision and applications break but you don't hear us crying as much as over Vista compatibility. For us we complain more so for the support of older versions of OS X from our applications.

 

[suneohair]

Don't start with me man... I don't disagree with anything you are saying. Leave that research this and that stuff from wherever you come from. My opinions are my own just like yours are yours. Windows YUCK wasn't meant to be upheld as a valid argument for anything.

(1) Get a life
(2) Stop trying so hard to argue
(3) I am not going to start anything with you because you seem to be a hot head that has a few more posts before mine to disprove and re-establish your own facts with.
(4) Why are you even arguing about my own opinion of Windows. Your school has windows... fine... my department is Macintosh. We train students in Communication Studies for the real world, where we use Macs. Both our schools are happy.
(5) Get a grip.

(1) Thanks for assuming I have no life.
(2) Whos arguing?
(3) I am likewise not starting anything
(4) I didn't argue your opinion of Windows. I simply stated "Windows, yuck" is not an argument that can be taken seriously. Most schools are Windows. Most businesses are Windows. If I was in control there would be many more Macs. But I am not. I am a comm minor and I wish they trained more on Macs. But they don't, very much at least. What is the majority of your school?
(5) On what exactly?

I am not sure who is taking this more seriously. But I have a guess. Calm down man. It is all in good fun. When I hit that logout button, I wipe it from my mind. I don't know if you do. But I can only hope. Take care

 

[Eric Lewis]

also

think about the amazing discounts apple gets from other manufactors....like if you order 400,000 iMacs...im sure there would be an amazing deal...

and apple must order millions of intel chips etc...so they save $$$$$$$

 

[suneohair]

Again you avoided the question. If they are in an iMac forum I gather they are interested in an iMac. Let me say it louder. HOW MUCH WOULD IT COST YOU TO BUILD AN iMAC IF YOU HAD THE CASE?

Assign a $ amount to the LCD and state how much it is. We can gather that the case would be around $150 and the LCD from $500 to $1400.

I can't believe how simplistic I have to get with you. There are 3 routes one can take when interested in an iMac type of computer (which would be the reason they are on an iMac forum): 1) Buy a manufactured PC (Dell AIO, Sony AIO), 2) Buy an iMac, or 3) Build one. We now the price of 1) and 2). PRICE OUT 3).

Amazing that every other person understands this post except you

I don't know how much it would cost. Because, It is not realistic to build an iMac even if we had the case. It is not possible. You would have to do a lot of custom things. You couldn't buy many of the shelf parts (mainly motherboard) and just slap it together.

Now if you want to say, a similar tower computer. Sure. But. There are tons of assumptions and limitations you are placing on that.

You didn't say iMac type computer. "You just don't get it. There are 3 routes to geting a computer. " You said 3 choices when buying a computer. It isn't about simplicity it is about your word choice. In which case my statement was correct. You don't have to buy an iMac unless you want an iMac type computer.

I am not going to attempt to price out three. I have no need. It is an unrealistic and irrelevant proposition. Someone who is going to buy an iMac type computer is going to buy one. They are not going to attempt to build one. Assuming they did, you are likewise assuming they will want or have to use the parts the iMac has.

I hope you understand that. I don't know how else to put if for you. You can chill with the "high and mighty" mentality by assuming you need to "dumb it down" I am simply looking at what you said.

Also, it is not a case of not understanding the post. I fully understand it. It is however not a sound comparison. While valid in saying that:

If A costs more than B, B is a better value
A costs more than B
Therefore B is a better value

However you are not taking into consideration the assumptions being made here. Which I have said a few times now.

 

[shipdestroyer]

How much does the 24" iMac cost PART II

I'd wager it costs $1799, just like part I.

 

[Digital Skunk]

(1) Thanks for assuming I have no life.
(2) Whos arguing?
(3) I am likewise not starting anything
(4) I didn't argue your opinion of Windows. I simply stated "Windows, yuck" is not an argument that can be taken seriously. Most schools are Windows. Most businesses are Windows. If I was in control there would be many more Macs. But I am not. I am a comm minor and I wish they trained more on Macs. But they don't, very much at least. What is the majority of your school?
(5) On what exactly?

I am not sure who is taking this more seriously. But I have a guess. Calm down man. It is all in good fun. When I hit that logout button, I wipe it from my mind. I don't know if you do. But I can only hope. Take care

(1) Your Welcome... I try to help out where I can.
(2) Your statement asked me to research my opinion, so you were. No one takes any bodies opinions seriously, why are you so different?
(3) Yes you were, stating that someone should go do something in a harsh tone is implicative of starting an argument or fight. Communications 101.
(4) Yes you did, and you also assumed that my statement of Windows Yuck was an argument.
(5) On the fact that you like to argue. Nothing wrong with that, you just have to realize when certain things are worth arguing over, and when you are trying to push and support your own opinions with facts.

What you are stating is correct in every way, but the fact remains that it, along with my statements about Windows and much of this thread, is just opinion.

My school so far is majority Windows... but they are running them on iMacs. Most of the school doesn't use computers though, only the Engineering department, Comm Studies, and various computer labs. The newer ones have been updated with 20" iMacs that run Windows.

 

[suneohair]

(1) Your Welcome... I try to help out where I can.
(2) Your statement asked me to research my opinion, so you were. No one takes any bodies opinions seriously, why are you so different?
(3) Yes you were, stating that someone should go do something in a harsh tone is implicative of starting an argument or fight. Communications 101.
(4) Yes you did, and you also assumed that my statement of Windows Yuck was an argument.
(5) On the fact that you like to argue. Nothing wrong with that, you just have to realize when certain things are worth arguing over, and when you are trying to push and support your own opinions with facts.

What you are stating is correct in every way, but the fact remains that it, along with my statements about Windows and much of this thread, is just opinion.

My school so far is majority Windows... but they are running them on iMacs. Most of the school doesn't use computers though, only the Engineering department, Comm Studies, and various computer labs. The newer ones have been updated with 20" iMacs that run Windows.

I do like to argue. I know what is worth arguing over. I just find it fun regardless. And with this post, I really don't think it is fair. But I suppose I am speaking to deaf ears around here, especially with the Mac evangelists I really wasn't trying to start anything with you. I apologize for my tone. I just sorta go sometimes.

Mostly Windows. It sucks. But it will be some time before the World sees the light that I think the Mac brings to the computing experience.

Weird they use Macs to run Windows. My school wines about Apple support for businesses is weak. But, that is mostly the Windows love coming out of them.

Anyhow. Hopefully no hard feelings. I was suppose to see my way out of this thread. I think I will be doing that now. See you around

 

[mkaake]

I'm not sure what's more amazing - that I've actually wasted a few more minutes of my life reading this thread to page 5, or that it hasn't been wastelanded yet.

You can argue as much as you want, but when the OP says that this thread is to answer the question: if I wanted to roll my own iMac, how much would it cost me with market prices?, it's pretty silly to argue that you don't think it's a smart question. Who cares? it's the one the OP asked, not you...

We should all just let this thread die, and head off to the wasteland, where it belongs.

 

[Digital Skunk]

I do like to argue. I know what is worth arguing over. I just find it fun regardless. And with this post, I really don't think it is fair. But I suppose I am speaking to deaf ears around here, especially with the Mac evangelists I really wasn't trying to start anything with you. I apologize for my tone. I just sorta go sometimes.

Mostly Windows. It sucks. But it will be some time before the World sees the light that I think the Mac brings to the computing experience.

Weird they use Macs to run Windows. My school wines about Apple support for businesses is weak. But, that is mostly the Windows love coming out of them.

Anyhow. Hopefully no hard feelings. I was suppose to see my way out of this thread. I think I will be doing that now. See you around

It's all good man. I get that way sometimes... you have a cooler head than I do... I would have been banned by now

I do fully agree with you though, and I understand that this thread was a tad bit weird from the start. Once I truly understood what the OP wanted out of it I just let them have their fun. Oh!... and I understand the deaf ears thing, there are a lot of people like that in the Digital Photography forum in regards to copyright and royalties, I explain it over and over again and they never get it, and the newbies ask the same questions over and over.

Honestly, I rather like the way Vista feels (since it feels like Mac OS X) but underneath of the OS it's still a MS product. The company is loosing it's "We're the software king flare" it once had. Sorta how Apple is steadily heading toward loosing its "We're the innovation kings flare" but things change.

When they unpacked the iMacs I was excited... then I came back to see them running Windows. I cried then shouted a bit, then got over it. Mac OS X is still running on the, and the students that know reboot them all the time.

I will see you in funny papers Sune

 

[imacdaddy]

I'm not sure what's more amazing - that I've actually wasted a few more minutes of my life reading this thread to page 5, or that it hasn't been wastelanded yet.

We should all just let this thread die, and head off to the wasteland, where it belongs.

This thread should have died before the <b>very last post in page 2</b>. When everyone had a cool head. Then we got 3 pages of arguing...amazing.

Goodbye.