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Fanaticalism

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HTC needs to abandon sense. It isn't winning them any new customers and focus on their weak points which is camera quality and hardware real estate efficiency. The renderings posted earlier are, IMO an incredible design as it eliminates the ugly HTC bezel and removes the grills for the front facing speakers to mirror the Nexus 9. If they throw stock Android on there and just used Google's camera implementation it'll already be better than what they had because HTC just can't do anything right with the camera. I mean, it's been 10 years at trying and they're still struggling with it. If they can manage to sprinkle a little of their own sauce like BlackBerry did to add actual utility and value then I think they can make a difference.

Stock Android is certainly vanilla but I think that aesthetically, it is the best looking skin.
 

Fernandez21

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HTC needs to abandon sense. It isn't winning them any new customers and focus on their weak points which is camera quality and hardware real estate efficiency. The renderings posted earlier are, IMO an incredible design as it eliminates the ugly HTC bezel and removes the grills for the front facing speakers to mirror the Nexus 9. If they throw stock Android on there and just used Google's camera implementation it'll already be better than what they had because HTC just can't do anything right with the camera. I mean, it's been 10 years at trying and they're still struggling with it. If they can manage to sprinkle a little of their own sauce like BlackBerry did to add actual utility and value then I think they can make a difference.

Stock Android is certainly vanilla but I think that aesthetically, it is the best looking skin.
I think sense is fine, and the newest version found on the a9 is even more stock like. I think HTC really needs to slim those bezels and make the 5" really compact and then come out with a 5.7" version for us phablet lovers. And they need to stop waffling around with the camera and really polish it up. They went from ultra pixel, to duo, to 20 megapixel in their last three versions with needing to reduce the camera software each time. They need to pick a strategy and stick with it and continually improve. I really wish they had just stuck with ultra pixel and just bumped the resolution each year while improving the software. We could have a really killer 8-12 ultra pixel camera right now.
 

Fanaticalism

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I think sense is fine, and the newest version found on the a9 is even more stock like. I think HTC really needs to slim those bezels and make the 5" really compact and then come out with a 5.7" version for us phablet lovers. And they need to stop waffling around with the camera and really polish it up. They went from ultra pixel, to duo, to 20 megapixel in their last three versions with needing to reduce the camera software each time. They need to pick a strategy and stick with it and continually improve. I really wish they had just stuck with ultra pixel and just bumped the resolution each year while improving the software. We could have a really killer 8-12 ultra pixel camera right now.
That's just the thing, fine is no longer enough for a dying company. By having stock Android they'll gain at the very least the crowd that purchase Nexus devices every year which will allow them to also have a camera they know is much better than what they already have and minimize r&d on the camera side of things and focus those dollars on r&d on making that HTC render a reality.
 

Fernandez21

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That's just the thing, fine is no longer enough for a dying company. By having stock Android they'll gain at the very least the crowd that purchase Nexus devices every year which will allow them to also have a camera they know is much better than what they already have and minimize r&d on the camera side of things and focus those dollars on r&d on making that HTC render a reality.
I don't think so because one of the biggest advantages of stock is the fast updates, and that's lost a soon as the oem and carrier become responsible for updates. Performance wise sense and stock are the same and you get some extra feature with sense, such as blink feed and themes. They need a modern design, more size options, and an excellent camera to turn things around.
 
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nj-morris

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That's just the thing, fine is no longer enough for a dying company. By having stock Android they'll gain at the very least the crowd that purchase Nexus devices every year which will allow them to also have a camera they know is much better than what they already have and minimize r&d on the camera side of things and focus those dollars on r&d on making that HTC render a reality.

Why wouldn't you just buy a Nexus? There's no reason for them to abandon Sense because a lot of people like the extra features that Sense has to offer, and it's probably the most critically praised of the heavy Android skins. The two best features of stock are efficiency and fast updates, HTC has always been nailing it with efficiency, and they've doubled down on updates with the A9.
I think that this year HTC have got all their ducks in a row, and the M10 is shaping up to be an absolute beast. Let's just hope they don't do something to completely muck it up.
 

Tig Bitties

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Why wouldn't you just buy a Nexus? There's no reason for them to abandon Sense because a lot of people like the extra features that Sense has to offer, and it's probably the most critically praised of the heavy Android skins. The two best features of stock are efficiency and fast updates, HTC has always been nailing it with efficiency, and they've doubled down on updates with the A9.
I think that this year HTC have got all their ducks in a row, and the M10 is shaping up to be an absolute beast. Let's just hope they don't do something to completely muck it up.

I agree, I like stock Android best, but next to vanilla Sense is the best IMO. And HTC has been pretty darn good with updates lately, usually in the 90 day period, and faster than Samsung. I think Sense on the One M8 was good for it's time, haven't owned an HTC phone since.

Good thing about Android is choice, if every phone ran vanilla Android, that would lessen the appeal of certain phones. It's great that Google has two different Nexus phones now, and then theirs Samsung with their Galaxy lines, you can get an S6 or Note 5, or Edge, and LG has their V10 thing, HTC has the Boom sound with Sense.

I just hope the One M10 is really special, something to wow us like the One M7 back at release. Give it the SD820 + 4GB RAM + 5.2" screen + 3,000mAh battery, in a beautifully designed metal phone to rival the iPhone 7.
 

epicrayban

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If the rumored HTC Nexus devices turn out to be true, would they basically be building a device based off the M10 design/build?

Could the M10 be a glimpse of a future Nexus device...? This Nexus rumor just made HTC a bit more interesting.
 

nj-morris

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http://www.technobuffalo.com/2016/01/22/htc-one-m10-new-specs-and-launch-plans-leak-out/

I'll be honest, I'm not seeing much great stuff with this rumour, but it doesn't give us much detail in the first place. Still no rumours about build or screen, both of which could be a saving grace for HTC. I guess we'll just have to wait and find out.

The camera could be good. The Xperia Z5 has a 23MP camera and that's supposed to be the 'best in the world'. If those claims are true, I guess it wouldn't hurt, assuming that it's the same sensor, which I don't doubt. However, I am a sceptic on all high megapixel cameras. I always feel that there is lost potential. Anyway, it should be an improvement from the M9.

I'm also assuming that they bring the good stuff over from the A9. Things like the latest Android version, early updates fingerprint scanner, etc.
 

Tig Bitties

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Spec's wise I am sure the M10 will be great, just like all 2016 Android flagships, which will all come with SD820 + 4GB RAM + 6.0.1 Marshmallow. So I am not concerned one bit as far as the hardware it goes, it will be top of the line for first half 2016 phones.

But what about the design and screen technology ? I want the M10 to look like those faked renders from a year ago, and not like the A9, which IMO looks like an iPhone 6 wannabe. And the display ? Doubtful it will be AMOLED, but will it be 5.2" 1440P, or 5" 1080P ?

Camera ? All they need to do is use a Sony cam, even something from Sony last year would be a major step up from the crap in the M8 and M9. I do think HTC will finally put a good camera in the M10, they know all the flack they got, so I am sure the camera will be good, maybe not top of the line great but still really good.

I do like the rumor of a 3,000mAh battery, I hope that pans out true
 

AppleRobert

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Seems HTC will somehow muck up the new one, will history repeat itself?

I remember the optimism for the M9, maybe HTC will SHOCK us this go round! :(
 
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I can't believe people are still waiting for HTC to make a good phone again... year after year since the One X they've been duds.

BB is definitely at the top of the Android bunch IMO. Samsung right behind them.
 

jamezr

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I can't believe people are still waiting for HTC to make a good phone again... year after year since the One X they've been duds.

BB is definitely at the top of the Android bunch IMO. Samsung right behind them.
Which phone or phones put BB at the top of the Android heap?
 

Tig Bitties

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I can't believe people are still waiting for HTC to make a good phone again... year after year since the One X they've been duds.

BB is definitely at the top of the Android bunch IMO. Samsung right behind them.

The HTC One M8 is one of the top 5 best Android phones of all time, the M9 was a dud, but we're hoping they come out with another amazing design again.

BB ? Blackberry ? LOL
 

rockitdog

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HTC still makes solid devices, they'd sell a lot more of they beefed up their advertising campaigns. I'm friends with the guy who started HTCsource.com, I'm sure he already has the M10 in hand, I'll see what I can get him to tell me about it.
 

rockitdog

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Just a follow-up, HTC hasn't even provided M10 devices to their loyal reviewers yet. My friend did say that he expects another 5" display though, not 5.5" as mentioned earlier.
 

MRU

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It's kinda weird that there haven't been many leaks yet, compared to years past.

I hope they have learned their lesson and have decided not to go up against the S7 launch juggernaught. The M9 was a good device, but unremarkable and totally over shadowed on launch by the S6 / S6 Edge ... They tried to beat samsung to the punch by a few days last year, made a total boob of then delaying launch / availability meaning it was never going to garner traction when the media were so consumed with the s6 and edge.

I hope they leave announcement to around May, and actually have devices ready to ship after launch.
 
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rockitdog

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It's kinda weird that there haven't been many leaks yet, compared to years past.
In past years the device was also already in the hands of their reviewers and trusted media members as well. Makes me wonder if a major design overhaul is in store. I'd like to see HTC knock my socks off this year. Honestly, if the M9 had come with wireless/ quick charge I'd probably have taken it for a spin.
 

Tig Bitties

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I hope they have learned their lesson and have decided not to go up against the S7 launch juggernaught. The M9 was a good device, but unremarkable and totally over shadowed on launch by the S6 / S6 Edge ... They tried to beat samsung to the punch by a few days last year, made a total boob of then delaying launch / availability meaning it was never going to garner traction when the media were so consumed with the s6 and edge.

I hope they leave announcement to around May, and actually have devices ready to ship after launch.

I think that's the plan. I've heard the One M10 won't be out until April the earliest, a good month after the S7 launches on March 11.
 
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