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Huawei Aims to Upstage Sep 9 Apple Event With Tri-Fold Phone Debut

Harthag said:
Been using iMessage just fine on my Android phones for the last 8 months via BlueBubbles.

Aside from security risks, it's also largely a financial concern that would affect the other suppliers. Same thing with EV cars made in China. If allowed in the U.S., they would obliterate Tesla. If Oppo, Xiaomi, Huawei all had a presence in the U.S., Apple / Google / Samsung profits would plummet. Don't fool yourself into believing that the U.S. and other companies are purely focused on "security."
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This isn't a "will be" - this is an *is for the Federal government (whom I work with) and those who take Federal money.
The issue is finding devices - and I now have a way via CAASM / CPS.

We're pulling out devices left and right, and greylisting/blacklisting ZTE/Huawei/Hikvision/etc.

But since you know more than me, tell me every IP / FQDN your phone talks to?
 
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lindros2 said:
This isn't a "will be" - this is an *is for the Federal government (whom I work with) and those who take Federal money.
The issue is finding devices - and I now have a way via CAASM / CPS.

We're pulling out devices left and right, and greylisting/blacklisting ZTE/Huawei/Hikvision/etc.

But since you know more than me, tell me every IP / FQDN your phone talks to?
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I never said financial reasons are the only reasons. Obviously there are security risks as well.
 
I don’t wanna say anything against the engineering staff, or marketing staff, of any company that makes a folding phone. I just know that I’m super skeptical of how long it will last, and why it would be an advantage. I mean, books fold Up, and I do like books.🍸😺
 
brofkand said:
Apple is really missing the boat with foldables just like they missed the boat with AI. The current leadership has no vision. Vision Pro is a dead-end.
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How many foldable phones do you really see people using in the wild? And I’m not talking about at the coffee shops in Menlo Park. How many are clamoring for them?
 
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brofkand said:
Apple is really missing the boat with foldables just like they missed the boat with AI. The current leadership has no vision. Vision Pro is a dead-end.
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You are kidding right? Foldables are still very small market and overpriced. And Apple missed no boat on AI. Their strategy seems far more clear than anyone else’s throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks approach.
 
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Unregistered 4U said:
Apple’s problem is that WHATEVER they release, it has to be able to be manufactured at a rate of around 100 million a year. In 2023, almost 19 million folding phones across all makers were shipped. It remains to be seen if any single manufacturing process can even ship 20 million of ONE of those variants in a year.
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No it doesn't. Just like with the Vision Pro, they could release a folding phone for a far smaller market and for exactly the same reasons: pricing.

Huawei isn't going to mass market a tri-fold phone. It's going to be for those people who want one and can afford the very high price.

Like with the Vision Pro and Mac Pro, we are talking about limited production for a limited market. At least at this point in time.

The point is Apple hasn't gone down the same route with the iPhone. It's a business decision and not one based on being able to sell millions of units. Or alternatively, an engineering decision. They haven't been able to produce a competitive alternative to existing folding phones.
 
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@Brett said:
You are kidding right? Foldables are still very small market and overpriced. And Apple missed no boat on AI. Their strategy seems far more clear than anyone else’s throw stuff at the wall and see what sticks approach.
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Apple was late to AI.

So much so that they made the mistake of deliberately trying to avoid even saying the term 'AI' at WWDC, which just served to bring more attention to their non-existent solutions in the field. Apart from machine learning which everyone has been doing for years.

The Vision Pro was announced (way ahead of release and in a very unusual move) possibly to draw attention away from AI.

Mindset matters even to Apple.

As AI became the the hot topic, Apple finally brought itself to utter the term at this year's WWDC with a release date of sometime this year for some things and mostly next year for the rest.

That's late (years late) and we still don't know how it will perform.

What counts is what is on the market and when you look at the last couple of years, Apple just hasn't had anything to offer and right now still has very little on the table.
 
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I would absolutely love a folding iPhone, though I agree with comments about obnoxious looking creases on the inside.

but for productivity on the go, if I'm using my phone, being able to flip open to a bigger screen is wonderful.

I tried a folding phone on the shelf somewhere a couple/few years ago. it's definitely a really nice idea, and I'm a bit bummed the iPhones haven't tried it yet.

my iPhone is reliable, it does what I want it to *very* well. the lockdown on the software and the lack of jailbreaking has made it progressively more frustrating when I know there's more it absolutely can do. the introduction of a folding iPhone would breathe fresh air into the product line, and certainly help with my workflow
 
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I’m probably one of the few who isn’t eager to jump on the foldable phone just yet. A coworker has gone through 2 replacements on his flip because the screen stopped working after 1 year of replacement. I’m no engineer or expert, but I’d say it has to do with the folding and unfolding of the phone. And plus, the sliding of your finger through the crease just doesn't feel right.
 
Gaprofitt said:
All the fanboys chiming in. Would rather carry a 6.7 inch phone, 11 inch ipad and laptop..
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Why is it considered fanboy behavior to refuse to settle for a compromised phone, half-baked tablet and something masquerading as a PC -- when you already have or can have the best phone, the best tablet and best PC for your needs and don't mind carrying all three when you need to? Why is it so hard to accept that there are people who have different preferences and values than our own? 🤔
 
HobeSoundDarryl said:
Not poking at you or your personal interests. The point was that the whole crowd could have written most of that BEFORE Apple embraced phablets... and then almost all of them flipped to phablets as soon as Apple went there. It was as if what they passionately believed- and wrote down- before Apple offered phablets evaporated as soon as Apple launched them.

Now we have non-Apple competitors experimenting with foldable phones. There is overwhelming contempt with rationale that reads much like the rationale against phablets. I wonder what will happen when Apple rolls out their crack at a fold/roll/other? Rhetorical. I've seen this same movie many times.
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Interesting take. My understanding is that the Phablet form factor was the foundation of Apple's growth strategy when the smaller, pricey iPhone X failed to drive the desired growth. To align with this growth strategy, the Apple phablets were targeted to single-device purchasers seeking more utility for the dollar which equates to a device with a bigger screen and lower price. This strategy succeeded and led to significant growth for Apple globally. And while I'm sure there are Apple phablet users today who derided the big a$$ phones back in the day, I'm not sure if the sentiment that Apple users flocked to phablets just because Apple released one is correct. The data I've seen suggests that adoption of iPhone phablets was primarily from new iPhone buyers -- vs existing iPhone users changing their minds.
 
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It's stunning that the Chinese communists understand usability and functional design principles so little. It's like more folds are better than none to them.
 
Avon B7 said:
Apple was late to AI.

So much so that they made the mistake of deliberately trying to avoid even saying the term 'AI' at WWDC, which just served to bring more attention to their non-existent solutions in the field. Apart from machine learning which everyone has been doing for years.

The Vision Pro was announced (way ahead of release and in a very unusual move) possibly to draw attention away from AI.

Mindset matters even to Apple.

As AI became the the hot topic, Apple finally brought itself to utter the term at this year's WWDC with a release date of sometime this year for some things and mostly next year for the rest.

That's late (years late) and we still don't know how it will perform.

What counts is what is on the market and when you look at the last couple of years, Apple just hasn't had anything to offer and right now still has very little on the table.
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I still think it funny people think Apple is late to AI, AI has just started to take off this year and has a long way to go for all platforms.
 
sw1tcher said:
Has there even been solid proof of Huawei phones having mal/spyware installed on them at the factory?
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Here is a good article that discusses the origins of the revealing of Huawei as a spying arm of the Chinese govt. It took the rest of the world a decade to catch up

www.smh.com.au

The national security concerns behind Australia’s ban of Chinese telecoms giant Huawei

Upgrading Australia’s communications network meant our national security experts had to get to grips with tech titan Huawei’s ties to the Chinese government. A ban would infuriate Chinese leaders. The alternative was worse.
www.smh.com.au www.smh.com.au
 
contacos said:
Love my Fold, never going back to anything else. Most existing product I unwrapped since the initial iPhone / iPad or Apple Watch.

FYI this is the CEO of Huawei's consumer group:

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ahhh if it's like this... then whatever lol. I was expecting something that folds into a tiny little watch face.
 
If intended, they mistakenly chose the wrong competitor to steal the show. Apple doesn’t offer and for sure will not present any foldable device. Apple customers apparently don’t want or need foldable phones. Those who want or need this, could and likely got one already from other vendors. If the threefold stuff is the new **** in the foldable phone market, they rather aim at the competition and the customers there.
I mean, what’s the purpose of trying to steal attention to showcase your superior triple folding android brick at the same time new iOS devices are released - who they think will care? Don’t get me wrong, competition is a good thing. But this is ridiculous and embarrassing. Aiming equal market, e.g Samsung Foldables, for comparison and competition, would make sense, even though scheduling to any other competitor would still be awkward.
Do they believe one will switch from iPhone to Android, because you finally can - or have to - fold that thing more times than those oldschool hiking maps?
Interesting is just how long it will take for Samsung to respond and how much folds they add 😀 this calls for some special edition of the shaving blade wars 😶‍🌫️
 
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