Huawei P30 / P30 Pro

[Tsepz]

Whether you buy a Huawei phone or device is completely up to the consumer. Whether or not you use Facebook is a choice. Simply uninstall it and your data is protected.
But what a company uses for its infrastructure is not up to consumers. Such as routers and switches that have spyware and leaking private information. So if your ISP or Cellular company uses Huawei routers and switches on the back end ...the consumer is not involved or even aware their data could be leaking.

Your carrier is your choice, if you are are THAT concerned.

And again...nothing here.

In a statement, Vodafone said: "The issues in Italy identified in the Bloomberg story were all resolved and date back to 2011 and 2012.

"The 'backdoor' that Bloomberg refers to is Telnet, which is a protocol that is commonly used by many vendors in the industry for performing diagnostic functions. It would not have been accessible from the internet.

"Bloomberg is incorrect in saying that this 'could have given Huawei unauthorised access to the carrier's fixed-line network in Italy'.

"In addition, we have no evidence of any unauthorised access. This was nothing more than a failure to remove a diagnostic function after development.

"The issues were identified by independent security testing, initiated by Vodafone as part of our routine security measures, and fixed at the time by Huawei."

A Huawei spokesperson said: 'We were made aware of historical vulnerabilities in 2011 and 2012 and they were addressed at the time.

"Software vulnerabilities are an industry-wide challenge. Like every ICT [information and communications technology] vendor, we have a well-established public notification and patching process, and when a vulnerability is identified, we work closely with our partners to take the appropriate corrective action."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48103430

I will continue to wait for that all exposing all incriminating evidence that ends it all for Huawei, but this ain't it chief.

 

[jamezr]

Your carrier is your choice, if you are are THAT concerned.

And again...nothing here.



https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48103430

I will continue to wait for that all exposing all incriminating evidence that ends it all for Huawei, but this ain't it chief.

But you are missing the point....YOU CANT choose what your carrier uses....
Nor will you KNOW what they are using. That takes the choice away doesn't it......

There may never be a one single all en composing huge piece of evidence of Huawei spying. But there is enough behind the screes evidence that all adds up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/04/thi...ion-includes-a-lab-raid-ces-sting-report.html

https://gizmodo.com/backdoors-in-huawei-equipment-discovered-by-vodaphone-i-1834408368

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east...s-launch-probe-huawei-spying-claims-departure

https://www.androidcentral.com/huawei-being-criminally-investigated-stealing-trade-secrets

 

[Tsepz]

But you are missing the point....YOU CANT choose what your carrier uses....
Nor will you KNOW what they are using. That takes the choice away doesn't it......

There may never be a one single all en composing huge piece of evidence of Huawei spying. But there is enough behind the screes evidence that all adds up.

https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/04/thi...ion-includes-a-lab-raid-ces-sting-report.html

https://gizmodo.com/backdoors-in-huawei-equipment-discovered-by-vodaphone-i-1834408368

https://www.scmp.com/news/asia/east...s-launch-probe-huawei-spying-claims-departure

https://www.androidcentral.com/huawei-being-criminally-investigated-stealing-trade-secrets

Yes, you can find out what your carrier is using, just have a look at their partners, if that is of concern to you. Often times when a network is launched e.g. 5G, the infrastructure partner is named to. If that is such a big deal you can find the carrier using a partner you trust.

And you can't control what Facebook, Google etc... Do with your information and no, you can't just uninstall Facebook and be done with it, they already have your information, and many have no choice but to use WhatsApp which is owned by Facebook, delving very deeply into their conversations. On some phones you cannot even delete Facebook and you cannot exactly run an Android without a Google account, it will be a painful experience.

What you posted was not evidence, mostly ongoing investigations, and the Vodafone thing which has been debunked.... By Vodafone.

Like I said, I'll continue to wait.

Go on with your fear mongering though...

 

[jamezr]

Yes, you can find out what your carrier is using, just have a look at their partners, if that is of concern to you. Often times when a network is launched e.g. 5G, the infrastructure partner is named to. If that is such a big deal you can find the carrier using a partner you trust.

And you can't control what Facebook, Google etc... Do with your information and no, you can't just uninstall Facebook and be done with it, they already have your information, and many have no choice but to use WhatsApp which is owned by Facebook, delving very deeply into their conversations. On some phones you cannot even delete Facebook and you cannot exactly run an Android without a Google account, it will be a painful experience.

What you posted was not evidence, mostly ongoing investigations, and the Vodafone thing which has been debunked.... By Vodafone.

Like I said, I'll continue to wait.

Go on with your fear mongering though...

Disagree....you have a choice to use Facebook or Google...... completely aware of what they do with your information.
Then you have the choice of uninstalling and never using that product again.

You don't have the choice of what any given company that has your information uses for their infrastructure.
Nor is it reasonable to expect the average person to know how or even what to look for in the way of infrastructure devices. To suggest so is foolishness.
Not even a fair comparison to be honest.....

 

[Tsepz]

Disagree....you have a choice to use Facebook or Google...... completely aware of what they do with your information.
Then you have the choice of uninstalling and never using that product again.

You don't have the choice of what any given company that has your information uses for their infrastructure.
Nor is it reasonable to expect the average person to know how or even what to look for in the way of infrastructure devices. To suggest so is foolishness.
Not even a fair comparison to be honest.....

Completely fair comparison. If people knew what FB and Google were doing with their Data from Day 1 I highly doubt they'd be happy to use them.

We are now at a point where they simply ask for forgiveness when they should have properly asked for permission.

completely aware of what they do with your information.

stop this. People were not aware from Day 1, hence Facebooks and Google ongoing issues. Please stop lying, you are not AT ALL aware of what Facebook or Google does with your information, you are simply aware of what they feel you should be aware of, to say you are fully aware is an outright lie or you're just being naive.

Again, if you use an Android it's not easy to go without Google and in areas where WhatsApp is popular you'd be foolish to use another service.

It's not as simple of a choice as you are trying to make it out to be and you know that.

 

[lavrishevo]

It's also not possible to be objective if you are clearly quite a fan of their products and are constantly promoting them. The average person has nothing of interest to Huawei regarding data collection except for maybe marketing purposes but the real concern is the amount of funding the company receives from the Chinese government and their desire the steal other companies technology vs innovation on their own. That and their equipment being used by foreign governments and employees. This practice is considered almost normal in China due to a lack of ethics and one may argue morality. Shady business practices. By buying their products you support the company and their business practices. Feel free to do whatever you wish but at least be man or woman enough to acknowledge the reality of what this company stands for whether the phone is good or not. Most people don't care but for those who do, vote with your wallet.

 

[Tsepz]

It's also not possible to be objective if you are clearly quite a fan of their products and are constantly promoting them. The average person has nothing of interest to Huawei regarding data collection except for maybe marketing purposes but the real concern is the amount of funding the company receives from the Chinese government and their desire the steal other companies technology vs innovation on their own. That and their equipment being used by foreign governments and employees. This practice is considered almost normal in China due to a lack of ethics and one may argue morality. Shady business practices. By buying their products you support the company and their business practices. Feel free to do whatever you wish but at least be man or woman enough to acknowledge the reality of what this company stands for.

Samsung received funding and rewards from the South Korean government, and were also seen as shady a bout a decade ago, funny how all that disappeared.
https://www.forbes.com/sites/peterpham/2018/05/31/what-is-south-koreas-secret-weapon/#6359350a6b2f

It's simply hilarious to me all this fear mongering around non-US companies. Samsung were the bad guy for quite a while, being accused of stealing technology, cheating etc... I am seeing a repeat of a lot of this now.

But as you all were.

 

[jamezr]

Completely fair comparison. If people knew what FB and Google were doing with their Data from Day 1 I highly doubt they'd be happy to use them.

We are now at a point where they simply ask for forgiveness when they should have properly asked for permission.



stop this. People were not aware from Day 1, hence Facebooks and Google ongoing issues. Please stop lying, you are not AT ALL aware of what Facebook or Google does with your information, you are simply aware of what they feel you should be aware of, to say you are fully aware is an outright lie or you're just being naive.

Again, if you use an Android it's not easy to go without Google and in areas where WhatsApp is popular you'd be foolish to use another service.

It's not as simple of a choice as you are trying to make it out to be and you know that.

Oh...C'mom..... You know full well you have the choice of what software to use. You know full well you can opt out of the data collection in settings on Android phones.

Not exactly the same as what network equipment is used behind the scenes by your favorite shopping site on the internet now is it.

 

[Tsepz]

Oh...C'mom..... You know full well you have the choice of what software to use. You know full well you can opt out of the data collection in settings on Android phones.

Not exactly the same as what network equipment is used behind the scenes by your favorite shopping site on the internet now is it.

Again, not as easy as you are trying to make out because all this makes things harder as we have become used to it.

Please ask the average person to show you how to opt out of data collection on their smartphone, shoot a video while you do it, I'd love to see them go straight to the place to untick and take absolute full control of their data.

Huawei is no different to what Samsung was seen as years ago.

 

[jamezr]

Again, not as easy as you are trying to make out because all this makes things harder as we have become used to it.

Please ask the average person to show you how to opt out of data collection on their smartphone, shoot a video while you do it, I'd love to see them go straight to the place to untick and take absolute full control of their data.

Huawei is no different to what Samsung was seen as years ago.

Nope...not easy but it can be done....
Then it is not the same as not knowing and not having anyway of knowing what your favorite online shopping site uses behind the scenes for infrastructure You seem to totally ignore that.

 

[Tsepz]

Nope...not easy but it can be done....
Then it is not the same as not knowing and not having anyway of knowing what your favorite online shopping site uses behind the scenes for infrastructure You seem to totally ignore that.

That's like saying my car engine can be removed, with loads of difficulty,if I don't have the tools/knowledge, but it can be done. Well great, but it's still not something most will do, and they will discover far too late.

Your online shopping site is your choice. PSN, iCloud etc.. Have been hacked many times due to vulnerabilities in their infrastructure, so whether it's Huawei or another doesn't really matter which is exactly what Vodafone said... Which you keep ignoring.

 

[jamezr]

That's like saying my car engine can be removed, with loads of difficulty,if I don't have the tools/knowledge, but it can be done. Well great, but it's still not something most will do, and they will discover far too late.

Your online shopping site is your choice. PSN, iCloud etc.. Have been hacked many times due to vulnerabilities in their infrastructure, so whether it's Huawei or another doesn't really matter which is exactly what Vodafone said... Which you keep ignoring.

Your're not being genuine in this discussion...first it was Facebook then you changed to Google...then you changed to Android phones in trying to compare to Huawei and the spying on everyone that uses their equipment. I have given you numerous links to more than just the Vodafone article. Yet you choose to ignore them all.

Anyway....I'm done you can choose to stick your head in the sand if you want to.....

Huawei makes great phones....best camera zoom on a smart phone!
But i wouldn't trust them enough to buy a phone from them. There is too much information out there that leads to Huawei cooperating with the Chinese government to spy.

 

[Tsepz]

Your're not being genuine in this discussion...first it was Facebook then you changed to Google...then you changed to Android phones in trying to compare to Huawei and the spying on everyone that uses their equipment. I have given you numerous links to more than just the Vodafone article. Yet you choose to ignore them all.

Anyway....I'm done you can choose to stick your head in the sand if you want to.....

Huawei makes great phones....best camera zoom on a smart phone!
But i wouldn't trust them enough to buy a phone from them. There is too much information out there that leads to Huawei cooperating with the Chinese government to spy.

I've been very genuine to the discussion, speaking about both Google and Facebook in the same post, no changing, I also added that Samsung has seen similar adversity as a non-US company. Adding to the discussion is not changing anything.

I never ignored your articles, I did say that most of them were simply investigations, none of them have any proper proof and the one that was meant to be a "smoking gun" was debkuned by the partner.

Not at all sticking my head in the sand, I am actually being very observant of how incredibly successful non-US companies get treated versus US ones that break the rules and apologise later. If I that is me buryingy head in the sand then so be it.

There has been nothing that outright proves spying, if there was, every single European company would be banning Huawei outright.

 

[jamezr]

I've been very genuine to the discussion, speaking about both Google and Facebook in the same post, no changing, I also added that Samsung has seen similar adversity as a non-US company. Adding to the discussion is not changing anything.

I never ignored your articles, I did say that most of them were simply investigations, none of them have any proper proof and the one that was meant to be a "smoking gun" was debkuned by the partner.

Not at all sticking my head in the sand, I am actually being very observant of how incredibly successful non-US companies get treated versus US ones that break the rules and apologise later. If I that is me buryingy head in the sand then so be it.

There has been nothing that outright proves spying, if there was, every single European company would be banning Huawei outright.

In today's IT world..there never will be outright proof. Except if someone blows the whistle so to speak. The anatomy of IT spying is just too sophisticated. But where there is enough smoke.....from enough places.....the logical conclusion is fire.

 

[Tsepz]

In today's IT world..there never will be outright proof. Except if someone blows the whistle so to speak. The anatomy of IT spying is just too sophisticated. But where there is enough smoke.....from enough places.....the logical conclusion is fire.

Where politics are being played there's also a whole lot of BS in the air.

Again, nothing is as simple and straightforward as you try make it out to be.

If there really was a fire, again, European telecoms would be banning, particularly Western European ones.

 

[jamezr]

Where politics are being played there's also a whole lot of BS in the air.

Again, nothing is as simple and straightforward as you try make it out to be.

If there really was a fire, again, European telecoms would be banning, particularly Western European ones.

lol...not if they don't know.......thats why they call it spying.....

 

[Tsepz]

lol...not if they don't know.......thats why they call it spying.....

Your articles say they are investigating, did you read your articles?

In other words, they are doing their due diligence, nobody sees an issue right now, so why prosecute if there is no such evidence.


You do not simply stop services because one country that has a political agenda against a company keeps firing claims without any outright evidence, that would be stupid.

 

[lavrishevo]

As mentioned, being a fan-boy and having an unbiased opinion don't go hand in hand. Somehow a sense of self-worth is attached to a subject or argument and to admit fault is too much for the ego to handle.

 

[jamezr]

Your articles say they are investigating, did you read your articles?

In other words, they are doing their due diligence, nobody sees an issue right now, so why prosecute if there is no such evidence.


You do not simply stop services because one country that has a political agenda against a company keeps firing claims without any outright evidence, that would be stupid.

I didn't think you read them...Your blind brand loyalty is showing....

Vodafone asked Huawei to remove backdoors in home internet routers in 2011 and received assurances from the supplier that the issues were fixed, but further testing revealed that the security vulnerabilities remained, the documents show. Vodafone also identified backdoors in parts of its fixed-access network known as optical service nodes, which are responsible for transporting internet traffic over optical fibers, and other parts called broadband network gateways, which handle subscriber authentication and access to the internet, the people said. The people asked not to be identified because the matter was confidential.

Vodafone said Huawei then refused to fully remove the backdoor, citing a manufacturing requirement. Huawei said it needed the telnet service to configure device information and conduct tests including on wifi, and offered to disable the service after taking those steps, according to the document.

Huawei’s apparent reluctance only amplified concerns that were circulating even then that the company might pose a security threat to customers.

“What is of most concern here is that actions of Huawei in agreeing to remove the code, then trying to hide it, and now refusing to remove it as they need it to remain for ‘quality’ purposes,” Bryan Littlefair, Vodafone’s chief information security officer, wrote in 2011 according to documents reviewed by Bloomberg.

Huawei is under increased pressure in the U.S. and around the world as countries from the Five Eyes spy alliance warn that Huawei’s ties to the Chinese government might be used to monitor users or even compromise national security. Huawei’s founder Ren Zhengfei has ties to the People’s Liberation Army (PLA) which make American intel agencies worried about Huawei’s security.

https://gizmodo.com/backdoors-in-huawei-equipment-discovered-by-vodaphone-i-1834408368

The investigation grew in part out of civil lawsuits against Huawei, including one in which a Seattle jury found Huawei liable for misappropriating robotic technology from T-Mobile's Bellevue, Wash., lab, the people familiar with the matter said. The probe is at an advanced stage and could lead to an indictment soon, they said.

https://www.androidcentral.com/huawei-being-criminally-investigated-stealing-trade-secrets

According to the Journal’s report, while the various member countries of the Five Eyes view Huwaei with varying amounts of alarm—the UK is a major buyer of its telecommunications gear—they nonetheless all agreed that the tech giant posed a security risk on the grounds that it could be spying on behalf of the Chinese government:

https://gizmodo.com/five-eyes-spy-chiefs-agreed-to-contain-huaweis-global-r-1831131906

Diamond glass could make your phone’s screen nearly unbreakable—and its inventor says the FBI enlisted him after Huawei tried to steal his secrets.

https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...s-rare-glimpse-of-u-s-targeting-chinese-giant

 

[Tsepz]

I didn't think you read them...Your blind brand loyalty is showing....








https://gizmodo.com/backdoors-in-huawei-equipment-discovered-by-vodaphone-i-1834408368



https://www.androidcentral.com/huawei-being-criminally-investigated-stealing-trade-secrets



https://gizmodo.com/five-eyes-spy-chiefs-agreed-to-contain-huaweis-global-r-1831131906


https://www.bloomberg.com/news/feat...s-rare-glimpse-of-u-s-targeting-chinese-giant

We are over the Vodafone part as Vodafone themselves responded
In a statement, Vodafone said: "The issues in Italy identified in the Bloomberg story were all resolved and date back to 2011 and 2012.

"The 'backdoor' that Bloomberg refers to is Telnet, which is a protocol that is commonly used by many vendors in the industry for performing diagnostic functions. It would not have been accessible from the internet.

"Bloomberg is incorrect in saying that this 'could have given Huawei unauthorised access to the carrier's fixed-line network in Italy'.

"In addition, we have no evidence of any unauthorised access. This was nothing more than a failure to remove a diagnostic function after development.

"The issues were identified by independent security testing, initiated by Vodafone as part of our routine security measures, and fixed at the time by Huawei."

A Huawei spokesperson said: 'We were made aware of historical vulnerabilities in 2011 and 2012 and they were addressed at the time.

"Software vulnerabilities are an industry-wide challenge. Like every ICT [information and communications technology] vendor, we have a well-established public notification and patching process, and when a vulnerability is identified, we work closely with our partners to take the appropriate corrective action."

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48103430


The rest are probes/investigations and suspicions, with each article it shows that they still have no real proof.

Anyway this has gone way off topic from the P30/P30 Pro, whole lot of articles around investigations but no actual concrete evidence being posted.

We will come back to this when you come back with something rock solid.

 

[Tsepz]

So before this topic was hijacked by all the conspiracy, I was going to post this:

Got these BT headphones yesterday as my previous Huawei Sport Headphones had bad battery life and my Samsung UFlex BT headphones broke in my laptop bag while traveling (broke in the overhead compartment in the plane due to heavy turbulence).

Liking these so far, only issue is they don't seem to have AptX support that the previous Huawei Sport Headphones had. Interesting decision.

The awesome part is that these can actually be charged by the P30 Pro, they support Fast Charging from it to.

 

[jamezr]

https://www.bbc.com/news/business-48103430


The rest are probes/investigations and suspicions, with each article it shows that they still have no real proof.

Anyway this has gone way off topic from the P30/P30 Pro, whole lot of articles around investigations but no actual concrete evidence being posted.

We will come back to this when you come back with something rock solid.

So you did not read the articles then? So all the spying probes/investigations and suspicions are made up? Doesn't it all the totality of it all at least give you pause? So many accusations by so many different entities and countries all add up to something.
So many security companies all giving warnings to countries that Huawei poses a huge security risk....
Then I stayed away from the PC business but there is so much more on that side of their product lines and backdoors and vulnerabilities and malware and suspicions.

How Microsoft found a Huawei driver that opened systems to attack

Further investigation revealed that on this particular occasion, it wasn't malware that was injecting and running code in a user process; it was a Huawei-written driver. Huawei's driver was supposed to act as a kind of watchdog: it monitored a regular user mode service that's part of the PCManager software, and if that service should crash or stop running, the driver would restart it. To perform that restart, the driver injected code into a privileged Windows process and then ran that code using an APC—a technique lifted straight from malware

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...awei-driver-that-opened-systems-up-to-attack/



There is so much I could post here about malware and spying from Huawei and other product lines. But I have derailed this thread enough now. The totality of all the accidental...on purpose vulnerabilities and refusing to remove the backdoors that should give anyone pause.

Then as i said....unless a whistleblower comes forward...you won't see black and white concrete evidence. It is just too easy to hide the spyware in the code. But there have been enough evidence to most that Huawei is a huge security risk.

 

[Tsepz]

So you did not read the articles then? So all the spying probes/investigations and suspicions are made up? Doesn't it all the totality of it all at least give you pause? So many accusations by so many different entities and countries all add up to something.
So many security companies all giving warnings to countries that Huawei poses a huge security risk....
Then I stayed away from the PC business but there is so much more on that side of their product lines and backdoors and vulnerabilities and malware and suspicions.

How Microsoft found a Huawei driver that opened systems to attack

https://arstechnica.com/gadgets/201...awei-driver-that-opened-systems-up-to-attack/



There is so much I could post here about malware and spying from Huawei and other product lines. But I have derailed this thread enough now. The totality of all the accidental...on purpose vulnerabilities and refusing to remove the backdoors that should give anyone pause.

Then as i said....unless a whistleblower comes forward...you won't see black and white concrete evidence. It is just too easy to hide the spyware in the code. But there have been enough evidence to most that Huawei is a huge security risk.

Accusations, suspicions, investigations, probes...as I said, nothing concrete. Innocent until proven guilty I believe that's the way it goes?

I will wait for that whistle blower then.

Edward Snowden blew the whistle but it's clear people are still fine with it all. Lol.

Back to the P30 Pro

Seems Huawei still has more plans for the P30 Pro's camera

Cannot wait to get this on mine, Huawei SA have said it's in testing.
The Huawei P30 Pro camera just got even better somehow
https://www.techradar.com/news/the-huawei-p30-pro-camera-just-got-even-better-somehow

 

[Tsepz]

So I am doing something a little different with my P30 Pro from today, I am turning Off dark mode all over the UI and in all my apps. I have often liked dark themes etc... But lately felt like they looked a bit drab and off, especially because of my obsession with that Breathing Crystal P30 Pro, I am actually using the Breathing Crystal wallpaper, this is the main culprit that spurred on all these changes, lol!

I have also used Dark Mode for Battery Life saving ever since my first phones with AMOLED Displays (Nokia N8-00 and Samsung Galaxy S2), but the P30 Pro has given me confidence that it can still easily do 1.5-2 days without the need for any sort of compromise on my setup and usage, so I am not worried there either, I have also turned on Performance Mode, just for the fun of it all.

Taking a trip down to the coast tomorrow, about 1hour30min flight down, and then a 40min drive to where we are staying for the weekend, will see how the P30 Pro handles with this new setup.

Here's my setup right now.

 

[Tsepz]

Despite keeping everything white, it seems the AMOLED still stays efficient. I have been getting great battery life, well over 8hours SOT, still have 17% charge over 22hours off charge, was using Waze quite a bit due to traffic to and from work. I will probably take the phone back to dark though, the white is great but not for when in bed