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akash.nu

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Samsung phones are a lot better now...in fact I say they run as good as any iPhone

I do have access to all the latest and greatest Android has to offer these days. The curved edged displays just don’t do it for me. They’re too fiddly INHO, if anything I like the pixel devices for their day to day usability.
 
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Lobwedgephil

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Apr 7, 2012
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Sounds like you are going to have issues if all you use is iMessage and all your friends are on it. There are a ton of texting apps on android, but nothing comes close to iMessage in my opinion.
 

Zaft

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It’s not going to be easy if most of all of your contacts are on iMessage. U less you convince them to use WhatsApp or something similar. Good luck with that.
 

The Game 161

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Dec 15, 2010
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Wow! Just wow!

And people say Apple has planned obsolescence?

What if Apple only supported iPhones for 2 years?

And were sketchy with updates?

Uproar!
But the updates you get from IOS aren’t groundbreaking.

The features you get buying a Samsung device outweighs what you can get with an updated version

Updates are great with apple but you wouldn’t stay with a brand based on just updates

It’s value for money and what it provides is what matters
 

lparsons21

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Jun 3, 2014
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I agree with the OP, the latest flagships from Samsung look great and when new will perform well. But it will get usually late OS upgrades for 2 years and then just some security updates for awhile.

In the meantime iPhones will be up to date with the latest iOS version for 4 or 5 years and security updates for a bit longer.

And after you get apps on the Samsung that are the same or similar to the iOS apps you use, you will find that none look as good, most aren’t as full featured and the overall experience is just not as buttery smooth as on iOS.
 

omelet1978

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Sep 22, 2012
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After seeing the new Samsung phones, I am truly excited about smartphoens again. I love apple and my iPhone, but if I believe you've got to give credit where credit is due and these new Samsungs are INCREDIBLE LOOKING!

My. Mind. Is. Blown.

That being said, I love iMessage. I send read receipts. Is there anyway on a Samsung S10?


Might I suggest just getting a used S9 off of eBay and trying it out for a while. Worst case you could keep it as a backup phone. With the S10 out it'll drop in value, so it shouldn't break the bank to pick one up. Also, it's pretty good with stereo speakers, fast charging, etc...
 
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Hieveryone

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Sounds like you are going to have issues if all you use is iMessage and all your friends are on it. There are a ton of texting apps on android, but nothing comes close to iMessage in my opinion.

Well that is my situation. Even group texts are all imessage.
 

The Game 161

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Dec 15, 2010
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I agree with the OP, the latest flagships from Samsung look great and when new will perform well. But it will get usually late OS upgrades for 2 years and then just some security updates for awhile.

In the meantime iPhones will be up to date with the latest iOS version for 4 or 5 years and security updates for a bit longer.

And after you get apps on the Samsung that are the same or similar to the iOS apps you use, you will find that none look as good, most aren’t as full featured and the overall experience is just not as buttery smooth as on iOS.
Guess it depends how long you keep your phone for...who keeps theirs for more than two years these days?
 
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Hieveryone

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Guess it depends how long you keep your phone for...who keeps theirs for more than two years these days?

I might keep my iPhone X for 3.

I had my 6S for the longest time but felt peer pressure to upgrade.

I’d probably still have my 6S if it wasn’t for others.

Loved that little device.
 

The Game 161

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I might keep my iPhone X for 3.

I had my 6S for the longest time but felt peer pressure to upgrade.

I’d probably still have my 6S if it wasn’t for others.

Loved that little device.

Guess you have to ask yourself what I’m paying for my phone does it do everything I want it to do updates a side?

My max does a good job but for what I pay it should do more. Getting updates is great but if the phone doesn’t do as much as other phones I’m getting mugged off which is why I’m getting the S10 plus and trying something different that to me is better value
 

nviz22

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Jun 24, 2013
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Why would you trust Google for mail? By signing up you gave them complete permission to read your emails and use the data any way they want, including selling it to interested parties.

There is a world of difference in how Google and Apple respect your privacy.

My Master's program used Gmail when I attended. Google and Apple all have their own issues in some way. If there is a will to seek out your data, there is probably a way. Look at the stupid Group FaceTime bug?
 

5105973

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I might keep my iPhone X for 3.

I had my 6S for the longest time but felt peer pressure to upgrade.

I’d probably still have my 6S if it wasn’t for others.

Loved that little device.
Wait a minute you gave up a phone you loved and likely still worked well (since they’re still being sold) because of peer pressure?

And all of your friends are on iMessage?

And you think you’ll be happy going against the grain and getting an S10?

I do not see this ending well. (Yet. Never say never).

This is not a slam against you because it IS difficult enough to introduce an Android phone into an iMessage social circle. I know that first hand. But it’s even harder if you’re already influenced by your friends in your selection of phone. If they didn’t leave you alone with your iPhone, what are they going to say about your Samsung?

Personally, if it weren’t a matter of an Android being a genuine inconvenience to an iMessage based group messaging environment, I’d tell the friends to keep their noses out of my choices. Unless they want to buy the damn phone for me. But the fact is they will notice the green bubbles and perhaps some loss of quality in any shared videos and likely say something to you about it.

Lol, it was very smart and very evil of Apple to choose a garish green with low contrast against the white text to denote a message that didn’t come through via iMessage.

(It is over things like this that keep us as enthralled sheep in the herd, that I am growing to see Apple as the monolith the girl in the classic 1984 commercial needs to throw the hammer at).

By the way, I see a lot of bias in evidence here. You need to go to Android based forums and check out Android based articles to get a different perspective. Even so, nobody here has outright lied to you. The update situation is what has been stated. People do use very old Android phones and I know lots of people still using the Note 4. But they run it on old versions of Android and likely are taking some chances without security updates.

My experience on an unlocked S7 was awful. That phone didn’t get any updates that I recall. Maybe a security patch here and there but that’s it. Even now, in the US, carrier branded phones get priority for OS updates. I’m not sure what the situation is for security patches. My most recent Samsungs have been AT&T models and they have received fairly timely security updates but were several months behind in getting the newest version of Android.

Having said all that, Samsungs are a hell of a lot of fun. And it’s been rare that I’ve had to pay through the nose for them.

For me, the benefits lie in getting generous discounts and trade in terms for upgrades. For example, I am getting $550 in trade for my S9+ that had also been discounted through trade. The end result of early preorder incentives mean that I get a phone priced at $999 for under $500 along with a $55 smart led case and $130 wireless earbuds thrown in along with all the things that normally come in the box with a Samsung phone. I never feel nickel and dimed to death by Samsung.

One thing about Samsungs is there is always a deal going somewhere at some time and so you rarely have to pay flagship prices unless you’re in some rush.

They usually can be found at mid range prices a few months after release. You just have to look for the deals.

I find call quality and connectivity over the last couple of generations to be excellent. I did have terrible lag on previous generations but only a small animation lag on my S9+ that I fixed with a small adjustment. The OS does need to be managed from time to time to clear out the crap that could slow the phone down.

Samsung phones have their own mail app that works well and as far as I know does not spy on you. They have their own browser that you can beef up with ad blockers. It’s a great browser.

You will notice more marketing on a Samsung and on Android versions of apps, for example I see more specials and deals in the Android version of the Amazon app than I do on my iOS version.

In some ways the Android versions of some apps such as Kindle are more convenient than their iOS counterparts because they allow you to buy books within the app and the iOS version doesn’t. Same with Prime Video, it’s easy to buy the movie within the app. Apple is more controlling about what they consider an in app purchase to be and therefore some iOS apps disable the ability to purchase movies or products and send you to their web site instead.

More and more I’m finding, and so is my husband, that Android apps are improving and reaching parity in quality with iOS apps. For example, when he tried to switch to Android last year, most of his financial services apps did not accept biometric authentication (fingerprints) from Android versions of their apps. Now they all do.

There is still much progress that needs to happen, but with Apple losing market share in some key markets it is possible that progress will come sooner rather than later.

I can now make the switch if I want to because in my own peer group we now have plenty of Android users and some of those are converting some of the die hard Apple users. That was unthinkable just a couple of years ago. I don’t know exactly what changed. These are people who can easily afford the XS Max so I don’t think it’s the cost. I don’t know. It all kind of snuck up on me to be honest.

But who knows, in some other social circles iPhone users may be converting die hard android fans. Anecdotes mean little.
 

Tig Bitties

macrumors 603
Sep 6, 2012
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Wait a minute. You don’t get updates like iOS? Meaning, you do, but you don’t.

That’s messed up.

You do get updates, but might take 6+ months typically. They've never been known for on time updates.

If you want a smooth, lag free, always up to date Android phone. You really only have the stock Google phone as your option, which right now is the Pixel 3 XL.

Yes the new Samsung Galaxy phones, always impress with their pretty colors, and gee wiz features, and super hardware. But after the newness wears off, I'd prefer the more stale and boring vanilla Android with the Pixel as "it just works". I'm just not a fan of Lagwiz or whatever they call it nowadays. You can put fresh lipstick on a pig, aba make her look prettier, but at the end of the day, it's still a pig underneath.
 
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Newtons Apple

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Mar 12, 2014
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My Master's program used Gmail when I attended. Google and Apple all have their own issues in some way. If there is a will to seek out your data, there is probably a way. Look at the stupid Group FaceTime bug?

You do not even have to look for a way with Google, as you give them permission. Sorry but if I have to pick between to two, I will go Apple all the
 

The Game 161

macrumors Nehalem
Dec 15, 2010
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UK
Could you elaborate on the Samsung support stuff? Do they offer EU residents better support? They’re pretty disappointing in the US.

I have a Samsung store right next to apple store and never had an issue with any product of theirs and people I know have had no issues with faulty devices

If I had an issue with my phone I would go via carrier anyway who will fix any issue
 

nviz22

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Jun 24, 2013
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I have a Samsung store right next to apple store and never had an issue with any product of theirs and people I know have had no issues with faulty devices

If I had an issue with my phone I would go via carrier anyway who will fix any issue

My carrier is useless for iPhone problems. They say go to Apple. Samsung got better with UBreakIFix repairs being local now.
 

Lava Lamp Freak

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Jun 1, 2006
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Regarding the original question about read receipts, there is a new protocol that will replace SMS called Rich Communication Services (RCS). It's not actually new, as it's been in talks for about a decade, but it's just now starting to be implemented.

It currently has limited support and seems to only work between devices on the same network, so it isn't really useful now, but it is something to keep an eye on in the future.

It would be nice for it to work across carriers and platforms, but as of now it's not truly a replacement for either iMessage or WhatsApp.

https://www.theverge.com/2018/12/12...rvice-messaging-explainer-what-is-google-chat
 
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