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Hieveryone

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As these flagship phones get ever more expensive I expect there will be fewer 2 year or less upgrades. I know I won’t be getting rid of my Xs Max for quite some time.

I agree. These phone price are at a point where replacing them every 2 years seems ridiculous. It's kind of getting like like laptops.

I paid around 1500 for my 13" rMBP over 5 years ago. Couldn't imagine upgrading it only after a couple of years.
 

Peterg2

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Until you have a problem, Samsung service is a nightmare compared to apple.

I have had various iphones, Htc and Samsung phones. Not that long ago I would say you would be correct and Apple really was the gold standard for service as I experienced some years ago. However, from what I am gathering, Apple while still being very good are not being quite as "generous" as they used to be. As for Samsung with their contract with uBreakiFix in North America I believe matters have really turned around. There are several threads around, one on reddit about this: https://www.reddit.com/r/GalaxyNote...had_my_note_8_display_replaced_under_samsung/

As for my experience, this is not a warranty issue but the replacement of a hand-me-down of a Note 5. I am in Montreal and my girlfriend complained about the battery life which was understandable. I phoned the closest store (less than a mile away from me) dropped the phone off at 5 pm and picked it up at 6:45 pm with a brand new battery and not the slightest indication on the back glass or the sides that the glued on back had been removed. Definitely a new battery as tests with eg Accubattery show.

So, in terms of fast repairs seemingly Samsung are able to offer it now and you apparently do not have to convince Samsung of your claim but uBreakiFix
 
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After seeing the new Samsung phones, I am truly excited about smartphoens again. I love apple and my iPhone, but if I believe you've got to give credit where credit is due and these new Samsungs are INCREDIBLE LOOKING!

My. Mind. Is. Blown.

That being said, I love iMessage. I send read receipts. Is there anyway on a Samsung S10?
If you are buying phones just for their looks, I would wait in a couple months where all the Chinese OEMs will make their phones to look like Samsung for half the price Samsung is charging.

And no, the S10 is nothing "incredible" at all. The punch hole screen? And what, for $900? Huawei did it already before Samsung on their phones.

What is exciting is Xiaomi Mi 9, Snapdragon 855 for like $500, with triple camera as well. Now that's exciting.
 
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Hieveryone

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If you are buying phones just for their looks, I would wait in a couple months where all the Chinese OEMs will make their phones to look like Samsung for half the price Samsung is charging.

And no, the S10 is nothing "incredible" at all. The punch hole screen? And what, for $900? Huawei did it already before Samsung on their phones.

What is exciting is Xiaomi Mi 9, Snapdragon 855 for like $500, with triple camera as well. Now that's exciting.

That was just my opinion. I am not an expert on smart phones. I have only used iPhone and only tried other phones for a day at most.
 

Tig Bitties

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My one bit of advice if you're coming from an iPhone and never used an Android phone permanently before you have to give it time to get comfortable with it .

iOS and Android are different enough in the way they operate, it will feel alien and uncomfortable at first. But don't panic and return the phone right away, you must give it at least 2 weeks to settle in. In the end, I'd think you'll prefer Android over iOS, and wonder why you stayed on an iPhone for so long.
 

Shanghaichica

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My one bit of advice if you're coming from an iPhone and never used an Android phone permanently before you have to give it time to get comfortable with it .

iOS and Android are different enough in the way they operate, it will feel alien and uncomfortable at first. But don't panic and return the phone right away, you must give it at least 2 weeks to settle in. In the end, I'd think you'll prefer Android over iOS, and wonder why you stayed on an iPhone for so long.
I’m coming back to android. Even though I switched back mainly for the ecosystem and product integration I always felt that android was the better OS. It’s more intuitive. It works like a PC. iOS is simpler but not as logical. Obviously android is more functional. There really isn’t anything I can do on my iPhone that I can’t do on android. I’ve kept myself familiar with Samsung devices over the years so it won’t be much of an adjustment period.
 

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Read receipts are an RCS feature. MMS and SMS don't allow for this. Read receipts work on iMessage due to how similar it is to another semi-open relay system like BBM.

I don't know if it's still a thing, but most carriers like Verizon or ATT offer you the ability to rent a phone or borrow one from a store for 48 hours or so to get an idea if you want it. I could be thinking of an ancient program so don't take my word for it.

FWIW, the update issue isn't on Samsung.

Android phones typically use Qualcomm SoC. In some territories, where Samsung phones use Exynos processors, they can get updates years after the phone ships. Qualcomm typically does not supply new driver sets to manufacturers past 2-3 years even if the handset manufacturers ask for them. Repeatedly.

Once Qualcomm supplies drivers for a new version of Android, the manufacturer develops their top layer of software, tests it and ships it to carriers. It's up to the carriers to do the last mile work. Verizon was one of the first carriers to ship Pie in mid January if not earlier. TMO just released Pie after placing a hold on the update a half day into shipping it out.

Android Z could come out in August. Samsung could have it done by October or November. It'll take carriers anywhere from 3 months to 9 months to ship something out. Qualcomm needs to be taken out of the equation or have an externally manufactured problem to cripple their bottom line and allow other chip makers to swoop in and take up their place.

In the case of Chinese handset makers. Their prices are low now, but they'll go up. OnePlus has shown a year over year price increase each generation now. The first OnePlus phone was under $290 using a flagship grade Snapdragon SoC. Current one costs $550, and it's rumored the One Plus 7 will cost around $700.

Don't expect companies like Xiaomi to not raise their prices year after year, too.
 
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balaplus

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My one bit of advice if you're coming from an iPhone and never used an Android phone permanently before you have to give it time to get comfortable with it .

iOS and Android are different enough in the way they operate, it will feel alien and uncomfortable at first. But don't panic and return the phone right away, you must give it at least 2 weeks to settle in. In the end, I'd think you'll prefer Android over iOS, and wonder why you stayed on an iPhone for so long.
My panic on Android last time around was when Banking apps would not install as there was no antivirus!
Presumably Android has come a long way since..
 

Wide opeN

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Until you have a problem, Samsung service is a nightmare compared to apple.

This is the part that is underestimated about Apple. The service!!!

I don't have to worry about excuses or playing the blame game when something goes wrong with Apple. Not to say that the employees can be annoying at times.

But to know they'll at least take ownership is comforting.
 

AustinIllini

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This is the part that is underestimated about Apple. The service!!!

I don't have to worry about excuses or playing the blame game when something goes wrong with Apple. Not to say that the employees can be annoying at times.

But to know they'll at least take ownership is comforting.
I live about 4 miles from the Apple Store. It's an amazing convenience. It's honestly part of what keeps me in that ecosystem.
 
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Mendota

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Wow! Just wow!

And people say Apple has planned obsolescence?

What if Apple only supported iPhones for 2 years?

And were sketchy with updates?

Uproar!

I personally will take longer updates over forced updates that then slow down your phone in an attempt to force you to upgrade.... but that is just me.

I love all the replies from the defensive Apple users... Samsung is a worthy competitor to Apple and no their phones don't just slow down for no reason, neither does Apple. The only issue with phones and computers "slowing down is when people continue to load them up with more and more stuff and try running more and more things in the background. I have used all three (soon to be just two) platforms. Apple, Android, and Windows phone. They all ran well as I keep clean uncluttered systems and only use quality apps. That is the key.
 

kuroe

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iMessage is on iOS only. If you use a Samsung device, you will lose read receipts to other iOS devices.

Long story short, read receipts with iMessage are Apple only (iPhone, iPad, Macbook, etc)
 

Shanghaichica

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iMessage is on iOS only. If you use a Samsung device, you will lose read receipts to other iOS devices.

Long story short, read receipts with iMessage are Apple only (iPhone, iPad, Macbook, etc)
You can see if your message has been read on WhatsApp.
 
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Hieveryone

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iMessage is on iOS only. If you use a Samsung device, you will lose read receipts to other iOS devices.

Long story short, read receipts with iMessage are Apple only (iPhone, iPad, Macbook, etc)

Thanks. This is the answer I was looking for. I wish iMessage could be an app on other platforms like Galaxy S10

And also be able to use your phone number, not apple ID
 

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Thanks. This is the answer I was looking for. I wish iMessage could be an app on other platforms like Galaxy S10

And also be able to use your phone number, not apple ID
Read receipts or not it's more that you just simply won't be able to use iMessage on a non-iOS device. That said, there are read receipts that exist for regular text messaging (somewhat dependent on carrier support) as well as variety of messaging apps if those are used.
 

mib1800

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I can speak to the update policy. In Apple land, Apple announces a new iOS at WWDC and releases it in September. In September everyone has it. Samsung owners do not have that luxury. Android Q will be announced at I/O and Pixel devices will get the update in about October. Samsung then has to take Android Q, optimize it for each device it sells and then get approval from the carrier to release it.

After that, don't count on your Samsung phone getting further updates after Android R. According to Android Central, the Galaxy S7 didn't get Android Pie. Also, as your phone gets older you have to wait longer and longer for the update because Samsung devalues you as you hold onto your phone.

It's not a good user experience at least from a software point of view.

With all the timely updates of iOS but still we get headlining security and privacy issues like the recent FaceTime and unauthorized iTunes fraud. Plus the unending cycle of ios12 fix-break.

And in terms of capabilities, I'm sorry to say iphone will probably take ios16 (4-5years later) to even catch up to s10+ now.
 

kuroe

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I wish iMessage could be an app on other platforms like Galaxy S10

I also wish iMessage was an app, but it will probably never happen because it's a way for to lock users to the Apple Ecosystem.

Which is a shame, because if they made iMessage an app on Android, iMessage would probably become the largest messaging app in the US, UK, Canada, and a few other countries. In other words, iMessage would pretty much become the Whatsapp/Wechat/etc of the US, etc.

If Apple was truly serious about their switch to "services" as a money maker, iMessage on Android would be a no-brainer.
 

Shanghaichica

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I also wish iMessage was an app, but it will probably never happen because it's a way for to lock users to the Apple Ecosystem.

Which is a shame, because if they made iMessage an app on Android, iMessage would probably become the largest messaging app in the US, UK, Canada, and a few other countries. In other words, iMessage would pretty much become the Whatsapp/Wechat/etc of the US, etc.

If Apple was truly serious about their switch to "services" as a money maker, iMessage on Android would be a no-brainer.
All of my contacts use WhatsApp so having iMessage on android wouldn’t do anything for me. However I know it’s really popular in the North America.
 

Dreads

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Can you not just use IMessage on iPad and just tether your Samsung to it.... or am I being stupid...
 

csurfr

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Can you not just use IMessage on iPad and just tether your Samsung to it.... or am I being stupid...
Sure, you can use iMessage on your iPad
Or MacBook Pro and have people send the message to your @icloud, @me.com, etc, but there is no way to make those show up on any android device, nor is there a way to use your phone number other than that one hack app (I think it’s wechat?).

I think it’s funny that some here are saying iMessage is a way of locking users into the ecosystem. I’m not sure how Apple has any kind of hold on us. Sure iMessage is great, and it is definitely my app of choice, but SMS/MMS are both out there (with a lot of limitations), and of course others will say “use WhatsApp, Facebook Messenger, etc”.
 

AustinIllini

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I also wish iMessage was an app, but it will probably never happen because it's a way for to lock users to the Apple Ecosystem.

Which is a shame, because if they made iMessage an app on Android, iMessage would probably become the largest messaging app in the US, UK, Canada, and a few other countries. In other words, iMessage would pretty much become the Whatsapp/Wechat/etc of the US, etc.

If Apple was truly serious about their switch to "services" as a money maker, iMessage on Android would be a no-brainer.
I think for the right price Apple would allow iMessage on Android but it would likely only happen once iPhone sales flatten.
 

mib1800

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I think for the right price Apple would allow iMessage on Android but it would likely only happen once iPhone sales flatten.

Who cares. The world ex-us don't use iMessage. Even the US with 50% of population using android don't use iMessage.

iMessage is just irrelevant... Only ifans make a big deal out of it.
 
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