I am getting sick of the same arguments against Macs

[DeVizardofOZ]

Had a good laugh....DEJO

But you are comparing a consumer laptop with a professional laptop. That is why it's called the MacBook Pro.


HAHAHA, with all those problems attached to the new MB and MBPs, I wonder where the PRO comes from. Professional my A.. From what I read every fifth APPLE has some kind of issues thats 20%. And thats not counting those buyers which have not yet reported some issue. The only thing professional about the new APPle's is the OS. The hardware sucks bigtime, from technical, design, engineering, and hardware problems.

I want one, but how stupid must anyone be to buy this problem laden Hardware??? No, Mr. Jobs, you have lost my respect, and a lot of customers are turned off. Not something suggesting great competence.

 

[newrigel]

You have to understand...
One application thats on a Mac does what 2 to 3 do on a PC...
I've had friends burn cd's for me on thier PC's and come to find out that the burn didn't take @ all! The software said it did but there was no data burned hehe... that simple demonstration showed me the truth to what PC's have to offer hehe... EVERYTHING just works on a Mac, and I mean everything!

 

[DeVizardofOZ]

APPLE fans! maybe you forgiving people....

...should go to this link...

http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook_Pro


and stop telling buyers that Mr. Jobs is the greatest guy in the world. I am turned off by the junk this company is selling for good money.

YESSSS, the OS is fantastic, most of the APPLE software is, but there's NO EXCUSE for 20%
lemons this company has been exchanging for peoples hard earned money.

It is not just since the MBP and MB has been introduced, I know people which had plenty of hardware problems, such as flickering and wobling screens, dying HDs, bad keyboards.

It is TAIWAN junk.

IF and WHEN they get their act together I buy...

 

[DavidLeblond]

It is TAIWAN junk.

You know I sort of agreed with your comment... I know I won't be buying a MacBook until I see all of their problems ironed out. The Taiwan comment was a little moronic though. Yeah, I'd rather have a 100% made in the US computer... too bad they don't exist.

 

[newrigel]

...should go to this link...

http://www.appledefects.com/wiki/index.php?title=MacBook_Pro


and stop telling buyers that Mr. Jobs is the greatest guy in the world. I am turned off by the junk this company is selling for good money.

YESSSS, the OS is fantastic, most of the APPLE software is, but there's NO EXCUSE for 20%
lemons this company has been exchanging for peoples hard earned money.

It is not just since the MBP and MB has been introduced, I know people which had plenty of hardware problems, such as flickering and wobling screens, dying HDs, bad keyboards.

It is TAIWAN junk.

IF and WHEN they get their act together I buy...

It's a first run... your bound to get a few lemons in the group. And to tell you the truth, I never saw a PC that worked good even if it was! If you don't like the products then don't use them. But I have had EXCELLENT results with my Apple products (because I do my homework) and anytime you just "jump in" you might just hit a rock! I have faith in Apple because ANY problems I've had in the past has been fixed and fixed WELL!

 

[JBot]

You have to understand...
One application thats on a Mac does what 2 to 3 do on a PC...
I've had friends burn cd's for me on thier PC's and come to find out that the burn didn't take @ all! The software said it did but there was no data burned hehe... that simple demonstration showed me the truth to what PC's have to offer hehe... EVERYTHING just works on a Mac, and I mean everything!

Do you mean to say that PCs 'suck' because they dont have technology to burn a cd?
Read this: http://www.worldstart.com/tips/file-management/howto-burn-a-cd.htm
Tell your friend to read it as well. Try commenting once you have successfully burned a file via the dreaded PC.

 

[Mord]

that seems to be the opinion of allot of switchers as they have not properly got into the mac mentality, sure i mac can do all the same things but it also does a bunch of other stuff allot better/faster in ways you haven't used properly yet, for example set up exposé into hot corners and get used to it and see how much faster you work.

 

[JBot]

for example set up exposé into hot corners and get used to it and see how much faster you work.

Alt+Tab works faster.
edit*

 

[newrigel]

Do you mean to say that PCs 'suck' because they dont have technology to burn a cd?
Read this: http://www.worldstart.com/tips/file-management/howto-burn-a-cd.htm
Tell your friend to read it as well. Try commenting once you have successfully burned a file via the dreaded PC.

No...
I don't care about other peoples bastardized systems, I'm just speaking a fact.. and it was a FACT that "I" dealt with. I have never-ever seen my Mac act like it burned a cd and it didn't actually burn it. This person has the latest and greatest that PC's offer ( by the way.. he owns BOTH and loves the Mac more so) and he knows what he's doing. PC's are just in and out and that instability keeps me FAR and away from them as much as possible. I have used PC's @ school and @ work etc. and the Macs work ALL the time the PC's have their little issues and I just want to accomplish a task and get it done and over with instead of being a programmer... that's what I pay for in the first place with software is for the developer to make sure it functions properly not to pay $$ and sit down all day trying to figure out how to do a simple task. PC's are tempermental and I use machines like a machine.. do what I need done period... and Macs have ALWAYS been this way for me!

 

[bbrosemer]

Do you mean to say that PCs 'suck' because they dont have technology to burn a cd?
Read this: http://www.worldstart.com/tips/file-management/howto-burn-a-cd.htm
Tell your friend to read it as well. Try commenting once you have successfully burned a file via the dreaded PC.

Id tend to agree granted I do love my Mac dont get me wrong but that is more of the poor software selection on your friends part, other guy who commented, down there, like I WOULD LOVE if there was "DVD Decryptor" avalible for the Mac it is the best and free software for buringing iso's of encrypted DVD's there is nothing out there that compares especially in the UB department for mac's, yeah handbrake is ok, but I want a straight up iso copying and burning software like dvd decryptor and let me make this an opportunity as to if anyone knows a free program that will do what I just said please tell me.

 

[Mord]

Alt+Tab works faster.
edit*

no, it really does not.


i have all windows on the top left, desktop on the bottom left, dashboard on the top right and screensaver start on the bottom right.


oh and one really annoying thing is you used to be able to have a password on wake from screensaver, but now if you have that then it asks for the password from sleep, i used to like being able to lock the thing easy without haveing to bother to put in my password everytime i woke my ibook/macbook up from sleep.

 

[JBot]

the Macs work ALL the time the PC's have their little issues and I just want to accomplish a task and get it done and over with instead of being a programmer...

Fine, i throw in the towel, macs are infact the far more superior machine over the pcs, because macs do, infact, work ALL the time. especially with cd burning.


Let me put the final nail in the coffin.
PC users over MAC users = 45/1.

*edit. Hector- It was a joke. Depends what youre used to using. Windows born users will say different than Mac born. Tomato tomoto.

 

[bbrosemer]

Let me put the final nail in the coffin.
PC users over MAC users = 45/1.

Had to fix this 25/1 in the US. and more like 1/33 in the world.

 

[Mord]

*edit. Hector- It was a joke. Depends what youre used to using. Windows born users will say different than Mac born. Tomato tomoto.

hence why i said use it for a while and get used to it, my reaction time is constant and it's just faster useing a couple of mouse movements than it it hammering away at the tab key.

 

[thegreatluke]

To fix the price difference:
iLife.

 

[Natsus]

It is TAIWAN junk.

There's a difference between taiwan and china you know. You might as well say Japan.. or Thailand.. or Korea

All brands, including apple have their own share of problems. Some more severe than others. Dell's exploding laptop anyone? I guarantee that if you go to the help sites of any other brands, you'll see numerous topics about problems. Personally, I'm more PO'ed by Apple's lack of acknowledgement of the problem rather than the problem themselves. And yes those problems do exist, but that wikipedia article makes it look more severe than it really is.

For example.. warping issues isn't really a problem, but a symptom of larger issue which is heat. From my understanding, heat has been addressed and fixed (though quietly). Swollen battery? Mostly from a bad batch (which apple did a silent recall of) Whine? fixed after the new logic board revision (again addressed quietly)

Failed HDD? that effects ALL brands and isn't a wide spread issue with Apple.

I hope I don't seem like a Mac fanboy because really, I'm not. I've been a PC user for all my life and just recently purchased a MBP. The only issue it had were whine (have to use the photobooth trick) and heat (which was fixed by reapplying the thermal paste) I still use a PC desktop.

IMO Apple does need to shape up, but their build is still better than a lot of other companies out there.

Blaming it on China is silly as there are other things to consider

 

[vv-tim]

To fix the price difference:
iLife.

Yeah... sorry... no.

 

[vv-tim]

You have to understand...
One application thats on a Mac does what 2 to 3 do on a PC...
I've had friends burn cd's for me on thier PC's and come to find out that the burn didn't take @ all! The software said it did but there was no data burned hehe... that simple demonstration showed me the truth to what PC's have to offer hehe... EVERYTHING just works on a Mac, and I mean everything!

Except thermal paste
And 1920x1200 resolution LCDs...
And AirPort problems...

 

[Natsus]

Except thermal paste
And 1920x1200 resolution LCDs...
And AirPort problems...

What airport problems are you referring to? I haven't had any at home but when I was at my aunts, my connection was weird. I would lose it every so often but it would work when booted in Windows via Bootcamp??

If there's another issue you're referring to, I'm interested to know.

 

[dejo]

HAHAHA, with all those problems attached to the new MB and MBPs, I wonder where the PRO comes from. Professional my A.. From what I read every fifth APPLE has some kind of issues thats 20%. And thats not counting those buyers which have not yet reported some issue.

Where are you reading this and can you backup that claim of 20%? And perhaps that's not counting those buyers which have no issues to report. Remember, the squeaky wheel gets the grease.

 

[buccaneer754]

Mac vs Pc

Hi Guys
I personally run the 2 systems believe it or not i think they compliment each other, gaming etc i use my PC for which there is no better imo, For internet surfing and office work, photo manipulation etc etc i use my IMac G5

Dont forget most schools teach computing on windows based machines parents then buy pc's to help there kids with schooling, schools also supply MS software at a reduced price, most kids and that includes mine chat online using msn messenger although you can run this on a mac you cant use a webcam with it,they also share software etc etc.....

As for viruses, malware, these can be avoided if you are sensible whilst surfing and purchase good security sofware, i personally have never had a virus on any of the machines in my household but who is to say that oneday something will get through, imo i think Mac's will become a target for the virus writers in the very near future so all computer user's should be aware
I think kids should be shown the different operating systems whilst at school then and only then will Mac's truly come into there own imo...

I Personally would love to use my Mac for all my computing needs but in the real world this is not possible

Many Thanks

Ian

G3 Panther
G5 Tiger
1 x AMD 64 Vista
3 x AMD XP Pro

 

[DeVizardofOZ]

Agreed NATSUS...

There's a difference between taiwan and china you know. You might as well say Japan.. or Thailand.. or Korea

All brands, including apple have their own share of problems. Some more severe than others. Dell's exploding laptop anyone? I guarantee that if you go to the help sites of any other brands, you'll see numerous topics about problems. Personally, I'm more PO'ed by Apple's lack of acknowledgement of the problem rather than the problem themselves. And yes those problems do exist, but that wikipedia article makes it look more severe than it really is.

For example.. warping issues isn't really a problem, but a symptom of larger issue which is heat. From my understanding, heat has been addressed and fixed (though quietly). Swollen battery? Mostly from a bad batch (which apple did a silent recall of) Whine? fixed after the new logic board revision (again addressed quietly)

Failed HDD? that effects ALL brands and isn't a wide spread issue with Apple.

I hope I don't seem like a Mac fanboy because really, I'm not. I've been a PC user for all my life and just recently purchased a MBP. The only issue it had were whine (have to use the photobooth trick) and heat (which was fixed by reapplying the thermal paste) I still use a PC desktop.

IMO Apple does need to shape up, but their build is still better than a lot of other companies out there.

Blaming it on China is silly as there are other things to consider

CHINA is not TAIWAN and TAIWAN is not CHINA when it comes to high tec!!

Living in CHINA I know all the problems corporations have with the mentality of manufacturers making their stuff here, and manufacturing in a joint venture setup. Make a quick buck and dont give a poop about quality...'or service. Especially in the MAinland they didn't know anything about QC until afew years ago, and it appears they haven't learned it yet.
Having said that, I believe TAIWAN can actually make good products, but the company management of those having their stuff made in TW are responsible for the quality turnout via QC (quality control). That and nothing else ist he issue in the case of APPLE. There is absolutely no excuse to turn out 20 % junk...
Re: HDDs In 10 years of using laptops I have NEVER had any problems with HDDs, but freinds of mine whoc own both PBs and MBPs had harddrives dying on them... WHy does APPLE nopt choose reliable hardware?
WE are consumers and can exspect good quality for our money, or does anyone buy a BMW which has known engine problems when going on the highway???

 

[Natsus]

CHINA is not TAIWAN and TAIWAN is not CHINA when it comes to high tec!!

I'm not sure why you brought this up. I thought my post made it clear there was a clear difference between China and Taiwan. I hate Chinese products with a passion. Having said that, there's a difference between a product that was made in China, and American companies... having their products made in China.

Living in CHINA I know all the problems corporations have with the mentality of manufacturers making their stuff here, and manufacturing in a joint venture setup. Make a quick buck and dont give a poop about quality...'or service. Especially in the MAinland they didn't know anything about QC. Having said that, I believe TAIWAN can actually make good products, but the company management of those having their stuff made in TW are responsible for the quality turnout via QC (quality control). That and nothing else ist he issue in the case of APPLE. There is absolutely no excuse to turn out 20 % junk...

I still don't see where this 20% number is being thrown around. If 20% of apple's laptops were having problems, they would go out of business. I swear.. 43.559% of all statistics are made up

Re: HDDs In 10 years of using laptops I have NEVER had any problems with HDDs, but freinds of mine whoc own both PBs and MBPs had harddrives dying on them... WHy does APPLE nopt choose reliable hardware?
WE are consumers and can exspect good quality for our money, or does anyone buy a BMW which has known engine problems when going on the highway???

I think your friends just had bad luck and is no way representative of apple's quality. All my friends with powerbooks have had no problems for years. On the other side of things, I've had hdd's known as "quality" hdds die one me. They include both Seagate and Western Digital. Now I'm not in any way suggesting these brands are really good, but they are the better known brands. Should I make a blanket statement and say, "All Seagate and WD hdds are crap!"? Well, I could I guess, but if everyone with failed hdds said that the brand sucks, there will be no brand left that's "good" enought to buy

I don't see any indication that apple's hdd is any more crappy than any other laptop manufaturers.

 

[vv-tim]

I still don't see where this 20% number is being thrown around. If 20% of apple's laptops were having problems, they would go out of business. I swear.. 43.559% of all statistics are made up

When you sell a product, you build the cost of what you expect to lose in repairs into the price Apple's always thinking ahead! :]

 

[Timepass]

On laptops over all in general around 20% of them have to have warrenty repairs done on them in the first 90 days. That one I know is a staticitcal fact. I am not making it up. It was an artical I read in Pop Sci about 12months ago or so. Feel free to look it up because I dont rememeber when I exectly read it.


Around that time apple was running I think 17%. The best was I believe Asus with 13%. Dell was the worse at 23-24%.

Either way the average of all laptop sold 20% of them need warrenty work done on them in the first 90 days.