I am getting sick of the same arguments against Macs

[yellow]

if you think something is wrong don't do it, if you don't feel free, justifying it or criticizing it due to ever changing laws are largely irrelevant.

But completely within my right. The onus is on you to not read it if you don't want to.

 

[Agent69]

I personally feel that some people overstate the problems of XP, just like some people like to overstate the price of Macs. Everyone seems to believe that they have to justify their purchase decisions, when they really don't. I say, buy what makes you happy.

 

[Mord]

But completely within my right. The onus is on you to not read it if you don't want to.

i'm not complaining about you arguing legality, it's just my position on such matters.

 

[MalcolmJID]

Ah, yes. Some of my favorite Windows-only titles were classics like "Hunt the Virus" and "Zap the Bloatware". You can't forget, "Malware: The Infinite" which was one of the most difficult games I've ever played. What times I had with my Windows machine. It has the current duty of ensuring that gravity still works.

Haha. The bit in bold made me laugh my chip butty out.

Can I use it in a sig?

 

[MalcolmJID]

On topic though, of the ten Window's PCs I've had over the past say, erm, 8 years. I've never once had a virus that did anything noticable.

All the time using freeware anti-virus, firewall and annoying-ware scanner.

 

[gnasher729]

Yeah sometimes it can get really annoying. But what I hate the most is when people say "Macs are gay". Which is exactly what my friend said the other day (Didn't even know how to use my eMac, and said it before he woke it up; Dell user; of course) and it pissed me off. Yes its different than XP, but gay? Ughhhhhhhhh

The correct thing to do: He says "Macs are gay". You say "So why did you buy a Dell?"

 

[generik]

Don't take it personally - it's all a moot point now. Macs do Windows...

It is irrelevant, strictly speaking PCs do MacOS too. The only thing stopping them is the Big Brother chip that comes in all intel macs.

So I'll fall back on another tactic. No matter how cheaply I can buy a Dell, it still won't run OS X. How's that for a smoke screen?

So? What's so great about OS X?

Hey, while I like it but I have to admit it is not all that great either. UI performance on MacOS plain sucks, Windows is so much snappier. Finder sucks donkey balls. Page file performance on MacOS is slow like molasses. Heck, Firefox would routinely beachball for minutes when I try to switch to some obscure tab that was opened yesterday, I have 2GB of ram on my Mini. Such a thing would never happen on my Celeron XP box. with only 1GB of ram.

Ultimately, I like spotlight. I like the unixy styled pref files. I hate Windows registry. I hate Mac's "wide" software support. I hate Mac's finder. I like the way MacOS escalates application priviledges accordingly. I hate how Windows runs everything as administrator by default. I hate how Windows has no elegant solution to basically sudo like in MacOS. I love Window's software support. But most importantly, I hate Mac's lack of choice.

You know this myth about how "most people" don't open their computers to upgrade it? Here's a clue, they actually do. In fact even poor people do that (duh) for obvious reasons. And if they can't do it themselves they will upgrade it.

*NOBODY* that I know of would just throw the old machine out wholesale and buy a new replacement, apart from Mac users.

Anyway for anyone else who ran through my list above, Windows Vista will effectively take away a lot of the current Windows caveats, but I am not really sure what Leopard is going to add on for Mac OS. If you ask me it jolly well comes with one hell of a UI upgrade for finder, because from what I see Windows Explorer in Vista totally blows everything on MacOS out of the water.

But you are comparing a consumer laptop with a professional laptop. That is why it's called the MacBook Pro.

Oh really?

I will let you know what happens next time I bring a Macbook Pro out into the Amazon together with my Pro EOS 1-DS.

Then you should also consider Apple educational discounts and such.

Educational customers are not pros. Next fanboy please!

I think it's a stretch to hide under the "fair use" portion of copyright law just to install OS X on a PC. I seriously doubt that 95% of those that do it are critiquing/criticizing/commenting on OS X.

Personally, I believe Apple put in the line "This License allows you to install and use one copy of the Mac OS X software on a single Apple-labeled computer at a time." for a reason.

Blah blah blah.

Since when does being a Mac user grants one the license to be an arm chair lawyer? Ok, so this guy openly admits to using a Hackintosh at home. What is Apple going to do about it? It is illegal, it is against terms of the EULA, etc etc etc.

Nobody cares.

Until Apple subpeonas MR to pull the identity of that poster and actually serves him, it is absolutely irrelevant to the rest of us. Last I check Windows is working very hard with WGA to keep people from stealing from them too. After all we all know poor Billy is struggling his way through life and can barely afford to buy bare necessities in his multi billion dollar high tech mansion.

 

[yellow]

Way to take everyone's posts to the extreme.

I prefer OS X to Windows in just about everything I do. I won't bore anyone with the detail as to why, because that's not what this thread is about. Suffice it to say, my computer-use-logic fits with OS X and does not fit with Windows.

I don't know where you came up with the junk about upgrading. It seems to be aimed at me, but I never mentioned it.

And finally, what the hell are you babbling about the EULA? It's not legal to do that. "Fair Use" is a cop-out. If that what you want to do, knock yourself out. If you don't want to read about it, STOP READING.

As for Apple not offering OS X for generic-PCs? Who the hell are you to tell them that they are wrong?

 

[JBot]

I love Window's software support.

haha this reminded me of a joke i read the other day.

There is a clever helicopter pilot whose job is to ferry VIP's from the Seattle airport to downtown. One day he found himself with a passenger in a pea soup fog somewhere over downtown Seattle. No landmarks were visible and the passenger became panicky.

The pilot said "Don't worry" and very gradually let the helicopter down until it was hovering opposite the window of a large, unidentifiable building. The pilot motioned to a woman working in the building to open her window and asked her "Where are we?" The woman responded "You are in a helicopter."

The pilot immediately lifted the helicopter above the building tops, flew a mile and a half, let it down through the fog, and hit the landing pad dead centre. The amazed and relieved passenger said "How on earth did you do that?" The pilot said: "It was simple. The information the woman gave me was perfectly accurate and utterly useless. I knew that she had to be working at the Microsoft Customer Support Centre."


I agree with you on that however, as i find these 2 sites tend to be my bible:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
http://support.microsoft.com/

 

[generik]

haha this reminded me of a joke i read the other day.

There is a clever helicopter pilot whose job is to ferry VIP's from the Seattle airport to downtown. One day he found himself with a passenger in a pea soup fog somewhere over downtown Seattle. No landmarks were visible and the passenger became panicky.

The pilot said "Don't worry" and very gradually let the helicopter down until it was hovering opposite the window of a large, unidentifiable building. The pilot motioned to a woman working in the building to open her window and asked her "Where are we?" The woman responded "You are in a helicopter."

The pilot immediately lifted the helicopter above the building tops, flew a mile and a half, let it down through the fog, and hit the landing pad dead centre. The amazed and relieved passenger said "How on earth did you do that?" The pilot said: "It was simple. The information the woman gave me was perfectly accurate and utterly useless. I knew that she had to be working at the Microsoft Customer Support Centre."


I agree with you on that however, as i find these 2 sites tend to be my bible:
http://msdn2.microsoft.com/en-us/default.aspx
http://support.microsoft.com/

Lol, point noted.

I gotta reword my original phrasing though, I really meant application support as in... "have your kids do these..... with the world of software for Microsoft Windows"

As for Apple not offering OS X for generic-PCs? Who the hell are you to tell them that they are wrong?

Read my post again, no where did I mention I am using a Hackintosh, nor do I have the desire to do so. My main bone with Apple however is precisely we buyers have no alternatives to "generic" PCs. In fact, we can't even order a system to spec, nor can we upgrade any system we purchased either. Even with the top of the line PowerMac/Mac Pro we can only upgrade to a somewhat limited extent, though that is probably set to change when the Intel versions are released.

I do understand Apple wants to drive hardware resales, but doing this... well let's just say it is probably cheaper for them to build AIOs than to build regular machines, not only did we not receive any cost savings, but we pay a premium, AND on top of that we surrender our choice to perform upgrades to computers.

You can go on till you are blue in the face, but 95% of the world has spoken, "most" people have no need for a computer that is basically like a car with the hood welded shut.

 

[Blue Velvet]

You know this myth about how "most people" don't open their computers to upgrade it? Here's a clue, they actually do.

Here's a clue... they don't. You just can't see the forest for the geeks.

Let's see... thinking of all of my colleagues and friends that use Macs (about a dozen or so excluding people who hang out here) only two have upgraded their hardware. Me and another colleague who dropped a new processor into his Sawtooth.

The rest are just normal people. Journalists, administrators, students, secretaries, mothers... No interest in messing with their machines at all.

 

[vv-tim]

Here's a clue... they don't. You just can't see the forest for the geeks.

Let's see... thinking of all of my colleagues and friends that use Macs (about a dozen or so excluding people who hang out here) only two have upgraded their hardware. Me and another colleague who dropped a new processor into his Sawtooth.

The rest are just normal people. Journalists, administrators, students, secretaries, mothers... No interest in messing with their machines at all.

I think you missed his point entirely, as you're stuck in the Apple brain fog.

He's talking about PC consumers in general. They want the ability to upgrade their computer without buying a new one. I've been contacted by several complete idiots about upgrading their computer for them. Now, most of the time these people have computers that are far too old to even bother upgrading, but plain janes ARE interested in the ability to upgrade their existing computer.

CompUSA and Best Buy wouldn't have their "upgrade" departments if people didn't.

 

[4JNA]

"most" people have no need for a computer that is basically like a car with the hood welded shut.

wow. ok, just stumbled into the last couple pages of this thread. mostly laughing and shaking my head. but this line required a response. might i direct the quote'ed to OWC (aftermarket mac upgrades), macmod.com(only modified mac systems/hardware) and perhaps one more... Mecca where all things become clear, everything just seems to fit, and you can always just 'come as you are' (we'll fix you later)

trust me, the hood isn't welded, you're just weak

 

[Timepass]

you know something people forget when they try to price match with dell by adding software, what about the people who dont want/need that software. With apple you have to pay extra for it even though you will never use it. (good examples are iLife and front row). Quite offen people dont want those in there computer and it is a waste of money to pay for it. You can not price compare with dell software wise because the person answer is I dont need it or want the software so dont put it in the dell since I never use it. In the apple it just be unistall or never used.

Just food for though.


Apple limition is there lack of customizing the computer from the store (some but very little) and they do stick you with a lot of extra stuff you may not want or need.

Mind you OSX is great and to many it is worth the extra money but to a lot of people it is not worth that extra cost.

 

[4JNA]

Mind you OSX is great and to many it is worth the extra money but to a lot of people it is not worth that extra cost.

ok, flip side of your coin... you can't price match mac and dell because the dell will need several service calls a year to remove virus damage, spyware, and recovery of lost files due to registry trouble. all the service really adds up for the average user. i know. i send them the bills after fixing their windows computers. then i go home and use my mac computers which just work. as for the software tangent, i also get paid lots of money to remove all the 'bundled extras' that come on OEM windows computers now. for a mac user, they drag it to the trash can. while pc's might be cheaper to purchase, they are way more expensive to own if you don't know how to fix them or care to learn!?!

 

[Timepass]

ok, flip side of your coin... you can't price match mac and dell because the dell will need several service calls a year to remove virus damage, spyware, and recovery of lost files due to registry trouble. all the service really adds up for the average user. i know. i send them the bills after fixing their windows computers. then i go home and use my mac computers which just work. as for the software tangent, i also get paid lots of money to remove all the 'bundled extras' that come on OEM windows computers now. for a mac user, they drag it to the trash can. while pc's might be cheaper to purchase, they are way more expensive to own if you don't know how to fix them or care to learn!?!

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And that just go back to earily post of a lot of BS mac users spit out about windows computers when a vast majority of them dont have probelms with spyware or viruses. 20 mins worht of extra work at the beginning of setting everything up and no major problems for the life of the computer.

 

[4JNA]

vast majority of them dont have probelms with spyware or viruses.

symantec, mcafee, avg, webroot, avast, spybot, ad-aware, stopzilla, windows live...

sounds like they should have all talked to you before starting companies that create software for problems that don't exist

sounds like you know windows, can 'set things up' and have no problems. i meant the other 12 billion users that can barely find the power switch, and still don't know what the right mouse button is for.

 

[someguy]

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And that just go back to earily post of a lot of BS mac users spit out about windows computers when a vast majority of them dont have probelms with spyware or viruses. 20 mins worht of extra work at the beginning of setting everything up and no major problems for the life of the computer.

Seems some people forget that it isn't that ALL PC users get viruses and have major security issues with Windows, but that all Windows users are potential victims of such. No matter how patched up, virus-protected, and firewalled your Windows machine is, it is a million times more likely to get a virus or other malicious piece of software from the internet than a Mac.

That ALONE is worth the extra money (especially when that money comes from repairing PC's for those who didn't listen when I told them to try out a Mac).

 

[stunna]

I dont even run anti spyware or anti virus actively anymore
Just set my browser to clear cache when I close it, patched HOST file, Disable auto scripting.
I scan once in a while and nothing has come up

but to the original poster
people will always live in the past
"macs are better for graphic design and creative projects"
"Windows gets viruses as soon as you plug it in the internet"

at this point in time Macs and PCs are pretty much the same
they can both create music/videos, surf the internet, play games perfectly fine.

 

[someguy]

at this point in time Macs and PCs are pretty much the same

Pretty much...

 

[MUCKYFINGERS]

Every frickin article about Apple, in which comments can be posted is full of the same tired crap.

"Macs don't run games"

"There is no software for the Mac"

"Macs are more expensive"

All of these are just untrue. However, I am getting tired of fighting the battle. Some of these people are just too darn stupid to get it through their heads.

*Sigh*

The first one is true. I am a big fan of Apple products but there is no way you can say that a game like Nanosaur is as good as the countless games that come out for XP... If we are talking about games released for OS X and games for XP, hands down, XP kicks the living hell out of OS X in terms of games.

I also somewhat agree with the second point, to a certain extent. There is a greater variety of software available for PC that do things that Macs don't do... sometimes you still need a PC for certain things. For example, there is software for XP that allows you to save and convert videos from youtube into .mpeg or .wmv media... there is nothing like that for OS X.

And yes, Macs are more expensive than PCs... it is true.

 

[MUCKYFINGERS]

I'm not trying to sound like I'm bashing Macs, but I'm honestly sick of these diehard Apple fans who hug Steve Jobs' nuts like there is no tomorrow.

I get idiotic comments from one of my friends who always opens up his IMs with saying, "PCs are trash, PCs are ridiculously bad, etc etc, Macs are more techonogically advanced than PCs, etc etc"... it makes sensible Mac fans like me look retarded because people have to listen to their crap.

 

[Blue Velvet]

...you're stuck in the Apple brain fog.

He's talking about PC consumers in general.

Nope. The only fog around here is from those whose idea of 'most people' is themselves and other like them. Most people haven't got a clue about what's inside their PCs and wouldn't dream of opening them up.

 

[keithbennis]

Don't sweat it. Most people in this world are stubborn... as if you didn't notice.

 

[VoodooDaddy]

Nope. The only fog around here is from those whose idea of 'most people' is themselves and other like them. Most people haven't got a clue about what's inside their PCs and wouldn't dream of opening them up.

There is also a pretty dense fog here of Mac users saying "most Windows users have spyware/malware/viruses." I think vv-tim makes some good, level headed arguments to counter all the Mac zealots.

I'm using Macs now, just bought 2 within the last month (mini for me, macbook for wife). They are nice, but I'm not doing backflips off the couch because its soooo much better than XP. IMO they do the same things, only in different ways.

The things I really like about my Mac over my old pc are how quiet it is, how fast it boots, and how fast it shuts down. The other thing that still remains to be seen is if over time OSX begins to drag like XP with its corrupted registry. My old PC had been running 3.5yrs on the same install of XP and towards the end was becoming fairly sluggish. With there being no registry in OSX I hope that I don't see the same thing yrs down the road. I expect some slowdown, but not to the extent of what I saw with XP.

Now in regards to that website with all the Mac bashing comments, I laughed myself senseless at those. That tennis match of back and forth, mac vs pc was priceless. Sure it was a waste of time reading, but I was bored and it was funny..