Other I don't think Android users understand exactly why we love our iPhones

[buckethead]

Tweaking and stuff is fun, but at the end of the day I just want a phone that works as its supposed to ALL THE TIME. You can't really say that about most (if not all) Android devices after 6+ months of use. When it comes down to it, Android is not as well-written as iOS. Period. Stability is a problem. I can deal with a less-stable computer, but I need my phone to be stable all the time. If I have to give up the ability to tweak things, that's fine.

Nerds will be nerds though.

I used to tweak everything - the older I get the less I do. I recently moved to a X from the Pixel XL. I like the Pixel experience better than the iOS experience. I left android stock with no big changes - just used apps. I like the flexibility of Android over iOS. This is my personal preference though and I would not use any Android besides the stock Google experience.

If I could only have gotten family friends off of iMessage for media sharing I would have stayed with my Pixel.

 

[1050792]

Been to any Samsung forums? Pixel forums? LG forums?

Of course most of what you are going to see on an Internet forum is people posting about issues, that should be common knowledge and the iPhone is no different.

Overall though I think iPhone are far more stable and reliable -v- any Samsung on the planet.

In that case your argument is false aswell just because you see some complaining in Samsung, Pixel and LG Forums, doesn't mean the issues are caused for everyone else.

You do realize a tech forum is a place to Congregate over issues and problems with devices? You can’t formulate how much of a problem a device is experiencing Just based reading on here. Tech forums are a vocal monitory, not the majority.. Everything I said about the iPhone having five years of updates and a strong used resale market is entirely accurate over Android. Fact. You interjecting what I said is false is merely opposing my post without any logical support proving otherwise.

I'm speaking based on what I see here. Let's not forget about the antenna issues of the iPhone 4, bending and battery issues of the iPhone6, battery issues of the iPhone 6s and we shall see what's next. Doesn't seem so long lasting built for me.

 

[raqball]

I'm speaking based on what I see here. Let's not forget about the antenna issues of the iPhone 4, bending and battery issues of the iPhone6, battery issues of the iPhone 6s and we shall see what's next. Doesn't seem so long lasting built for me.

Lets also not forget about Samsung phones catching fire and blowing up.... LOLOLOL

 

[1050792]

Lets also not forget about Samsung phones catching fire and blowing up.... LOLOLOL

Like iPhones never had their batteries blowing up? Don't go that way... The phone had a battery malfunction which Samsung did all they could to prevent this issue from happening with the recall and stopping to sell the phone. We can see now there's no more blowups. Then again Apple fanboys only use the same arguments for things which make no sense since they have no other things to say. "LOL"

 

[raqball]

Like iPhones never had their batteries blowing up? Don't go that way... The phone had a battery malfunction which Samsung did all they could to prevent this issue from happening with the recall and stopping to sell the phone. We can see now there's no more blowups. Then again Apple fanboys only use the same arguments for things which make no sense since they have no other things to say. "LOL"

Did Apple need to do a global recall of a phone and cancel production? I'll wait for you to post the news article.. No rush on that, I'll wait.....

 

[DNichter]

Like iPhones never had their batteries blowing up? Don't go that way... The phone had a battery malfunction which Samsung did all they could to prevent this issue from happening with the recall and stopping to sell the phone. We can see now there's no more blowups. Then again Apple fanboys only use the same arguments for things which make no sense since they have no other things to say. "LOL"

To be fair, you’re both making the same argument regarding hardware issues with both companies. In both cases, the number of users affected was very small, although the Samsung issue much more serious. Either way, a small hardware issue is no big deal from either end.

 

[1050792]

Did Apple need to do a global recall of a phone and cancel production? I'll wait for you to post the news article.. No rush on that, I'll wait.....

No they stay quiet instead of even letting their costumers know of what they do in the "backstage" just like their Battery "Optimizations".
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To be fair, you’re both making the same argument regarding hardware issues with both companies. In both cases, the number of users affected was very small, although the Samsung issue much more serious. Either way, a small hardware issue is no big deal from either end.

It was serious because from the first battery fire incidents many users started to make their battery catch fire on purpose, some even did that under charging which made that issue too big and Samsung just did the recall so no more issues would be caused. It was a Hardware issue that was confirmed after, sadly not a good thing but in the end we're all Humans after all and we make mistakes. Repeating the Note 7 battery explosion in 2018 is so low since all issues were fixed and Samsung did the best they could so they wouldn't lose their costumers trust. Also not forgetting that Apple has had the same issues aswell the difference is that Apple doesn't give a damm and instead just replace the iPhone at an Apple store.

 

[raqball]

No they stay quiet instead of even letting their costumers know of what they do in the "backstage" just like their Battery "Optimizations".

Okay -->>> Hahahaha

 

[WabbalaFlumpkin]

That's your opinion! Ihad a choice (about 1.5 years ago) between the iPhone 7+, iPhone 6s+, and Galaxy Note 7. I wish I picked the Note 7, looked like such a better phone! Had everything I wanted! Expandable storage, Warer resistance, headphone jack, real home button, crystal clear display! I ended up picking up the 6s+, due to my need for a home button and headphone jack! (I also wanted to test out iOS, which is limiting and awful until you jailbreak it! However I never got around to Jailbreaking it, so I decided to stay on iOS 9.3.3) Anyone else feel the same way? Also, after seeing the iPhone X, I'm either fixing up my Galaxy Note 4, or getting a Galscy Note Fan Edition.

 

[1050792]

Okay -->>> Hahahaha

Nice counter argument

 

[Cloudane]

I've been back and forth a few times now, so am one of the few people who does understand. But yeah most people do the whole "football team" mentality and are like "yah boo yours suxxor"

For me the main plus to Android is/was freedom. Being able to sideload apps, tweak how it works, allow apps to have control over system functions, automate more things with IFTTT, send files via bluetooth etc. However iOS has implemented more and more of what I wanted over the years (compared to when I used to consider jailbreaking a must!) while Android has become more and more restricted (things like SafetyNet fighting back against people rooting) so I think the gap has narrowed.

I always end up going back to iOS for... basically, consistency. Battery life being a prime example - on most iPhones it's less than stellar BUT it's predictable so at least I know when to be at an outlet / carry a battery pack (probably because of the really tight control over backgrounding - if you hammer your battery it's because you're playing games or using the GPS etc in the foreground, not because a couple of your favourite news and social media apps have decided to run away with themselves). My experience with Android is usually that I have better potential battery life but that it varies considerably. Sometimes I might get 2 days, other times I might get 5 hours, without the usage being wildly different. You find yourself going through battery stats all the time trying to find out which app has rolled out a screwy update this time. I'd rather know that with usage pattern x I will get a day rather than playing the "maybe you'll get 2! But maybe you'll get 5 hours" lottery.

Also consistency of camera. Again they might arguably not make the best in the world, compared to say Pixel 2, depending who you ask. But it's always excellent, never bad or "meh". I loved my OnePlus 3T camera... BUT.... the firmware seemed to pick too low ISO indoors so I'd often have to take 3-4 of the same shot to get a good one. OP can make that kind of error without much of a fuss, being a niche company. With Apple, in the event they did slip up the tech blogs would all be clamouring to dramatise it, you'd never hear the last of it for months (to the point that there'd be nothing left of the dead horse to beat, if dramas like the battery wear thing are anything to go by) and Apple would sort it. Anyway, it's rare that I take an indoor photo with the iPhone that doesn't look good.

Consistency of interface... consistency of support from networks (no "you can't have Wifi Calling unless you have this very specific set of phones with our special firmware")... lots of things like that.

The Android argument is usually like "you just need to stop being lazy and put the time in to configure your camera properly or use third party camera apps, regularly check up on battery usage and remove/restrict apps, make sure you're not running too much" etc. And it's fair, that's the trade-off you make for flexibility and freedom.

I think of it like automatic vs. manual gearboxes in a way. At the moment I'd rather just let it change gears itself and concentrate on other things

 

[DNichter]

No they stay quiet instead of even letting their costumers know of what they do in the "backstage" just like their Battery "Optimizations".
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It was serious because from the first battery fire incidents many users started to make their battery catch fire on purpose, some even did that under charging which made that issue too big and Samsung just did the recall so no more issues would be caused. It was a Hardware issue that was confirmed after, sadly not a good thing but in the end we're all Humans after all and we make mistakes. Repeating the Note 7 battery explosion in 2018 is so low since all issues were fixed and Samsung did the best they could so they wouldn't lose their costumers trust. Also not forgetting that Apple has had the same issues aswell the difference is that Apple doesn't give a damm and instead just replace the iPhone at an Apple store.

Apple has their own issues, but their customer service is the best out there.

 

[1050792]

Apple has their own issues, but their customer service is the best out there.

I highly doubt it's the best. It is good but I don't believe other companies won't offer a great costumer service aswell. Remember that everything Apple does is for marketing heck they even market their "Amazing costumer service". So they aren't really doing it for the users but for themselves. For money.

 

[DNichter]

I highly doubt it's the best. It is good but I don't believe other companies won't offer a great costumer service aswell. Remember that everything Apple does is for marketing heck they even market their "Amazing costumer service". So they aren't really doing it for the users but for themselves. For money.

You do know what a business is, correct?

 

[44267547]

I'm speaking based on what I see here. Let's not forget about the antenna issues of the iPhone 4, bending and battery issues of the iPhone6, battery issues of the iPhone 6s and we shall see what's next. Doesn't seem so long lasting built for me.

You created a straw man argument because of a bending issue with the aluminum on the 6? Because that was such a major issue? Just because what you read on a tech forum is not indicative of everybody else’s experience, given Apple manufactures around 200 million iPhones annually , obviously there will be defects. I’m sure their return return ratio to the customer keeping their device is very high. And I think the success of this company determines there product quality, don’t you think?

Anyone that has used iPhones before, knows that the construction, quality of materials and overall build on the iPhone is excellent. Again, there is a valid reason why the iPhone has such a strong resale on the used market over Android. Not sure why to keep refuting facts.

 

[1050792]

You do know what a business is, correct?

I do and that has nothing to do with what I posted.
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You created a straw man argument because of a bending issue with the aluminum on the 6? Because that was such a major issue? Just because what you read on a tech forum is not indicative of everybody else’s experience, given Apple manufactures around 200 million iPhones annually , obviously there will be defects. I’m sure their return return ratio to the customer keeping their device is very high. And I think the success of this company determines there product quality, don’t you think?

Anyone that has used iPhones before, knows that the construction, quality of materials and overall build on the iPhone is excellent. Again, there is a valid reason why the iPhone has such a strong resale on the used market over Android. Not sure why to keep refuting facts.

Never heard of bending issues on phones before the iPhone 6 and it wasn't just 1 or 2 iPhones that suffered from that. The resale value is subjective, Apple products are seen as fashion accessories so who owns it becomes more "popular" that's how it works in Europe.

 

[DNichter]

I do and that has nothing to do with what I posted.

Of course it does. You said they aren't providing amazing customer service for their users, but for the money. That's a business my friend. Every company out there is doing it for the money. The amazing customer service results in customer retention and locking them into the Apple ecosystem, exactly what they want. You act like that's a bad thing. Either way, moving on. Support Samsung if they are a better company in your eyes.

 

[44267547]

The resale value is subjective, Apple products are seen as fashion accessories so who owns it becomes more "popular" that's how it works in Europe.

Even if Apple iPhones are viewed as fashion accessories in other countries, that doesn’t change the popularity of the device itself. It’s the number one best-selling phone in the world. Do you think Apple has not contributed to almost being the first trillion dollar company in the world by not making a quality product? You appear dismissive by not acknowledging anything positive about the iPhone or Apple in general. Your post history in this thread is very telling of your viewpoint on Apple.

 

[1050792]

Of course it does. You said they aren't providing amazing customer service for their users, but for the money. That's a business my friend. Every company out there is doing it for the money. The amazing customer service results in customer retention and locking them into the Apple ecosystem, exactly what they want. You act like that's a bad thing. Either way, moving on. Support Samsung if they are a better company in your eyes.

"Apple has their own issues, but their customer service is the best out there."
We were talking about Hardware issues and you jump to business. Sure costumer service is business and that's my point they don't care about the costumer but for business.
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Even if Apple iPhones are viewed as fashion accessories in other countries, that doesn’t change the popularity of the device itself. It’s the number one best-selling phone in the world. Do you think Apple has not contributed to almost being the first trillion dollar company in the world by not making a quality product? You appear dismissive by not acknowledging anything positive about the iPhone or Apple in general. Your post history in this thread is very telling of your viewpoint on Apple.

I use Apple products daily but that doesn't mean I'm going to eat everything they do and defend a company who I give money to use their products blindly like most here do. I view things impartially and when there's something great that Apple will do I will say it and vice versa. In this case Apple has lost it's touch for iPhone since 2014, and everything they do now is only rushing to do what has already been done in previous Android phones, Hardware and Software wise. That's my opinion.
People keep buying new iPhones because they don't like change and that's great, nothing wrong with it. But the argument of "Selling more = better" is just wrong.

 

[DNichter]

"Apple has their own issues, but their customer service is the best out there."
We were talking about Hardware issues and you jump to business. Sure costumer service is business and that's my point they don't care about the costumer but for business.
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I use Apple products daily but that doesn't mean I'm going to eat everything they do and defend a company who I give money to use their products blindly like most here do. I view things impartially and when there's something great that Apple will do I will say it and vice versa. In this case Apple has lost it's touch for iPhone since 2014, and everything they do now is only rushing to do what has already been done in previous Android phones, Hardware and Software wise. That's my opinion.
People keep buying new iPhones because they don't like change and that's great, nothing wrong with it. But the argument of "Selling more = better" is just wrong.

And you just skip the post I was responding to... "Remember that everything Apple does is for marketing heck they even market their "Amazing costumer service". So they aren't really doing it for the users but for themselves. For money."

Just stop, you've already lost any credibility with your comments.

 

[1050792]

And you just skip the post I was responding to... "Remember that everything Apple does is for marketing heck they even market their "Amazing costumer service". So they aren't really doing it for the users but for themselves. For money."

Just stop, you've already lost any credibility with your comments.

I didn't skip your post I didn't see it because I was quoting someone else.

 

[44267547]

"Apple has lost it's touch for iPhone since 2014, and everything they do now is only rushing

I’m going to stop you right there. And nor am I going to continue on with this battle of who’s better than who in terms of smart phones. You can create any argument you want, but you can’t Shy way from the success of the iPhone as a whole. My experience (And others) differs from yours, and you don’t have any indication or evidence supporting that “Everything they do now is rushed”. Thats Logical fallacy. No other company manufacturers the product quality, software/security enhancements and customer service standards they have in the tech industry. Fact.

 

[1050792]

Of course it does. You said they aren't providing amazing customer service for their users, but for the money. That's a business my friend. Every company out there is doing it for the money. The amazing customer service results in customer retention and locking them into the Apple ecosystem, exactly what they want. You act like that's a bad thing. Either way, moving on. Support Samsung if they are a better company in your eyes.

None said its a bad thing but it's done with money in mind thats how Apple can be a trillion dollar company.
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I’m going to stop you right there. And nor am I going to continue on with this battle of who’s better than who in terms of smart phones. You can create any argument you want, but you can’t Shy way from the success of the iPhone as a whole. My experience (And others) differs from yours, and you don’t have any indication or evidence supporting that “Everything they do now is rushed”. Thats Logical fallacy. No other company manufacturers the product quality, software/security enhancements and customer service standards they have in the tech industry. Fact.

Because you have no more arguments to counter me so you keep talking about "quality". Should I go on and state everything that Apple has been ripping from Android competitors aswell as their rushed software/hardware? I'm sure you are already aware of what it is.

 

[raqball]

Should I go on and state everything that Apple has been ripping from Android competitors.

Didn't Samsung have to pay Apple millions of $$$$ for theft / infringement?

 

[1050792]

Didn't Samsung have to pay Apple millions of $$$$ for theft / infringement?

What kind of theft/infrigement? The one when the iPhone was the first "multi touch" smartphone? So other companies who wanted to compete couldn't make a phone with rounded corners?

 

[Harthag]

Anyone that has used iPhones before, knows that the construction, quality of materials and overall build on the iPhone is excellent. Again, there is a valid reason why the iPhone has such a strong resale on the used market over Android. Not sure why to keep refuting facts.

I'm insanely obsessive compulsive about build quality and defects. My iPhone X has a very audible cracking / popping sound when I press with some force on the center of the screen. Simply taking my case on and off causes it as well. I've read posts about others having the same issue. I had a genius inspect it and was told it was normal (of course it isn't) and he couldn't hear it (of course he couldn't). My screen is flawless so I kept it. I've returned, exchanged, and sold in total about 10 iPhone X units. I have never in my life seen such variance in build quality, dust under camera lens issues, and unacceptable screen defects. Not defending Android at all. It took three Pixel 2 XLs before I got a flawless one. But the iPhone X, to me, has been a hot mess of a phone.