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It’s pretty hard to believe that an actual owner of a 10 would even start this kind of thread.

Just because you perceive it to run fine, doesn't mean it isn't being throttled, nor that other devices aren't.

Not that it matters what you think, the facts and figures are what they are and Apple admitted to it.

That’s some fine humor right there. Very amusing.
 
Really? Do tell.
He’s not wrong in a way. I say this as a long time android apologist who is now thrilled with his iPhone.

Battery life - Android owns standby, but if you are sick in bed and want to binge for 12 hours on Netflix, android will last longer

Fast charging - stock on $300 budget androids. Costs extra even on an iPhone X

Camera - iPhone wins video, pixel 2xl wins on stills

Price - No contest. A budget android is still very capable today.

Ip rating - Many androids offer ip68. iPhone is ip67

Storage - micro usb cards are dirt cheap compared to going with a 256gb iPhone over a 64gb

At the end of the day, android offers more, but what you get from Apple is better and more polished. Do you want quality over quantity or vice versa. If my budget was $500, I’d buy a OnePlus 5T over a used iPhone. You’re not getting a new iPhone for $500. Might be a moot point since most people finance for 24 months, but still. Some people still only pay cash for phones. An option is buying used on swappa.
 
How can people compare an operating system to a specific device (iphone). It doesnt make sense, android wins on price because there are cheap androids, it wins on camera because the Pixel, it wins on design because samsung galaxy etc.

Lol this is just too funny.
 
For the first time in 10 years of owning an iPhone I feel defensive about owning one. The most expensive phone on the planet should be the best phone too as it has always been. However this time around the competition has significantly caught up and one could easily make the case of the competition surpassing the iPhone X. In almost every aspect the iPhone is behind an Android counter-part

Camera - the Pixel XL beats the iPhone X in most real life use cases - portrait mode, indoor lightinf, low lighting and sharpness. Yes the iPhone X is the only phone capable 4k at 60fps but you would eat up that 256GB fast. The unlimited free storage on Pixel is the added cherry on the cake.

OS - iOS 11 has fast earned the reputation of the buggiest and clunkiest iOS ever. Compare this with the increasing polish and ever improving feature set of Android Oreo - Google Lens, better stock apps, better notification systems, better AR and Google Photos. Having a beast of A11 is of no value of it is hamstrung by a buggy OS

Design - one has to agree the Galaxy S8 is the best designed phone of the year and has been ahead of the iPhone for a few years now.

Assistant - Siri vs Google Assistant - no contest. Google assistant is getting better by the day as more people continue using it

Software innovation - I'll pick Google Lens over Animoji any day. MotionStills and Photos an are a few examples of genuinely useful apps. An average iPhone user is far more dependant on the Google and has at least 5-6 Google apps.

Battery Life - heard instances of far better battery life on the pixel vs the iphone

Payment system - Samsung Pay is a far better and wider accepted payment system globally than Apple Pay and they have been very pro-active in introducing this to countries where Apple Pay isn't present.

Screen - Yes the iPhone X has the best OLED display (made by Samsung) but there are people who prefer the Samsung colour pop and not having the notch is an added bonus.

So in almost every area which matters the iPhone X is second best. Having to pay first class prices for a second class phone makes me defensive. It is no wonder that almost none of the tech publications in the year end flagship smart phone round-up mention the iPhone as the winner.

It won't be long before a single Android phone incorporates all the best features into a single phone for a much lesser price.

Owning an iPhone meant owning the best phone money could buy which sadly isn't true any more.

Ok. Notwithstanding that I agree with the guy who said by another phone...

Camera - I’ve heard arguments for cameras being ‘better’ for so many different reasons. IMO the X, pixel, Note, etc.. all have excellent cameras and if the subtle difference of one over the other makes a huge difference for you then your phone choices are easy.

OS - I have experienced no bugs. At least no bugs that I’ve noticed. I’m sure some exist but they don’t affect everybody. If you think Android Oreo is perfect I suggest you do a little research. So for me A11 is a beast that is not hamstrung by anything.

Design - nope. We all can’t agree on that. The galaxy line of phones are gorgeous no doubt. I almost went that way. I personally like the X design better. Personal preference, I don’t like the useless infinity edge.

Software innovation - you’re probably spot on with this one. However I don’t view it as a negative that I use Apple and google software. I view the phone as a whole package.

Battery life - I’m surprised you actually listed this. ‘I’ve heard instances of...’ is a ridiculous thing to even consider. My battery life is fantastic. That’s all I care about.

Payment - I suppose you are right here too, but I don’t view the difference as that big. And it’s advantages would not drive me to Samsung. I’m sure mobile payments will continue to evolve.

Screen - X screen is rated the best. Not sure how there’s anything else to say here.

How about other areas that matter? Customer service, prompt updates, security, Faceid’s clear superiority, premium build quality, sound quality, edge to edge including chin, and resale value. And btw, at launch the price of the X was very close to the Note 8.

I’m not knocking any phone you’ve discussed. The galaxy and pixel are great options. Nobody would fault you for switching. But being defensive about your choice of phone is lunacy. There are so many pluses and minuses for each option you have to pick what works best for you.
 
How can people compare an operating system to a specific device (iphone). It doesnt make sense, android wins on price because there are cheap androids, it wins on camera because the Pixel, it wins on design because samsung galaxy etc.

Lol this is just too funny.
Ok, compare apples best to androids best:

Galaxy S8/+
Galaxy note 8
Pixel 2/xl2
OnePlus 5/T
Mate 10 pro
Lg V30

So many apple fanboys can’t handle hearing anything positive about Android. It’s not a bunch of bug riddled phones owned by poor people anymore.
 
This is just one thread. Some are taking this post and throttling issue way to personally and it's borderline out of control on a tech forum.

If somebody doesn't like something, then find something that does make you happy with the money that you spent on it. But I want to add, a tech forum is a very small department of heavy tech enthusiasts who have strong opinions. The majority of iPhone consumers likely are more than satisfied with their devices and/or content with the iPhone X outside of this forum.
 
Ok, compare apples best to androids best:

Galaxy S8/+
Galaxy note 8
Pixel 2/xl2
OnePlus 5/T
Mate 10 pro
Lg V30

So many apple fanboys can’t handle hearing anything positive about Android. It’s not a bunch of bug riddled phones owned by poor people anymore.

Why do people have to be fanboys to disagree? I think the point of his post is that you can’t take the positives of each android phone and mash them together and then compare against iPhone. It’s not very realistic.
 
Comparing several Androids to one Apple device isn't exactly a good comparison. But the problem of your perception is easily solved, get 5 Android devices to replace your phone. If you don't find the value is there, buy a different phone. This is what's great about competition, there's always an alternative. Buy it and enjoy it with my best wishes. Life is too short to have buyers remorse on anything.
 
Every year differences in performance become less and less, yet the articles and posts make them seem like night and day, buy what you want and be happy with it and don't worry if the next guy's camera has a bit better contrast, you will never take the same picture at the same time!

As far as the "throttling", it is based on the performance of the battery, not the model, be thankful your call is not dropped at a critical time because the battery failed unexpectedly.


Oh thank you Apple!! Thanks for also not letting my phone blow up!!

You're such an apple apologetic. Maybe they should have used higher quality batteries in the first place? Maybe they should tell you your battery is garbage, so upgrade? But they're not. They're slowing the phone down and telling you your battery is healthy. This is plain wrong.

Apple may have found the best solution given battery requirements and CPU power draw, but to tell me my battery is "healthy" and slow my CPU down is BS.
 
That wont happen sorry.
Hard to explain how my three year old 6 plus (backup for foreign travel hotspot) still runs fine. Hell even my Five runs fine.

It’s fake news.
ahh, the ‘ole ‘if it doesn’t happen to me, it doesn’t exist’ syndrome.

I’m surprised you didn’t just go with the ‘let them eat cake’ response instread. Same level of understanding for both incidents.
 
For the first time in 10 years of owning an iPhone I feel defensive about owning one. The most expensive phone on the planet should be the best phone too as it has always been. However this time around the competition has significantly caught up and one could easily make the case of the competition surpassing the iPhone X. In almost every aspect the iPhone is behind an Android counter-part

Camera - the Pixel XL beats the iPhone X in most real life use cases - portrait mode, indoor lightinf, low lighting and sharpness. Yes the iPhone X is the only phone capable 4k at 60fps but you would eat up that 256GB fast. The unlimited free storage on Pixel is the added cherry on the cake.

OS - iOS 11 has fast earned the reputation of the buggiest and clunkiest iOS ever. Compare this with the increasing polish and ever improving feature set of Android Oreo - Google Lens, better stock apps, better notification systems, better AR and Google Photos. Having a beast of A11 is of no value of it is hamstrung by a buggy OS

Design - one has to agree the Galaxy S8 is the best designed phone of the year and has been ahead of the iPhone for a few years now.

Assistant - Siri vs Google Assistant - no contest. Google assistant is getting better by the day as more people continue using it

Software innovation - I'll pick Google Lens over Animoji any day. MotionStills and Photos an are a few examples of genuinely useful apps. An average iPhone user is far more dependant on the Google and has at least 5-6 Google apps.

Battery Life - heard instances of far better battery life on the pixel vs the iphone

Payment system - Samsung Pay is a far better and wider accepted payment system globally than Apple Pay and they have been very pro-active in introducing this to countries where Apple Pay isn't present.

Screen - Yes the iPhone X has the best OLED display (made by Samsung) but there are people who prefer the Samsung colour pop and not having the notch is an added bonus.

So in almost every area which matters the iPhone X is second best. Having to pay first class prices for a second class phone makes me defensive. It is no wonder that almost none of the tech publications in the year end flagship smart phone round-up mention the iPhone as the winner.

It won't be long before a single Android phone incorporates all the best features into a single phone for a much lesser price.

Owning an iPhone meant owning the best phone money could buy which sadly isn't true any more.

iPhone owners don't know or care a damned thing about Android and these phones and processes you refer to. Oreo? Google Lens? What's a Galaxy? Why would we know?

All that matters is if the iPhone X is better than the iPhone 6 that those considering a new iPhone currently own. The answer is "yes" so that's why we buy an iPhone X. Face ID, Wireless Charging, OLED Screen, Edge-To-Edge Display, Two-Day Battery Life, 3D Touch, Superior Camera, Water Resistance, these are all new features for iPhone 6 users. We don't know or care that some Android knockoff has had these features in the past. iPhone's didn't. They do now.

Just another customer used to $0 iPhone's upset that he now has to, wait for it- pay real money for one. Shocker.
 
Why do people have to be fanboys to disagree? I think the point of his post is that you can’t take the positives of each android phone and mash them together and then compare against iPhone. It’s not very realistic.
I think a lot of iPhone users would love a pixel and vice versa.
 
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So long as most (not necessarily all) of my information, etc is stored on my phone and not in the cloud or on Google’s server, and I can use Siri while every bit of Google’s tracking is still turned off, I will never be defensive about owning an IPhone. (Might not get the X though) It just works for me out of the box without having to worry about apps tracking me when they’re not open.
 
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I totally agree with OP. However, I'd also say that right now midrange Android phones are already so good that paying anything from 2-5x more does not net you that big an improvement. Neither does going from an iPhone 6S/7/8 to X. Edge to edge displays don't improve phone usability in a meaningful way and IPS displays are perfectly fine.

Apple has gone too long with the bean counter option of essentially recycling their iPhone 6 design while Android manufacturers (excluding Sony) have evolved their designs in a far more significant way to the point where every improvement on the iPhone X aside from FaceID has already been available on Android phones for a year or more.

The X is a good phone but its price should come down to somewhere around the Galaxy S8.
 
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I totally agree with OP. However, I'd also say that right now midrange Android phones are already so good that paying anything from 2-5x more does not net you that big an improvement. Neither does going from an iPhone 6S/7/8 to X. Edge to edge displays don't improve phone usability in a meaningful way and IPS displays are perfectly fine.

Apple has gone too long with the bean counter option of essentially recycling their iPhone 6 design while Android manufacturers (excluding Sony) have evolved their designs in a far more significant way to the point where every improvement on the iPhone X aside from FaceID has already been available on Android phones for a year or more.

The X is a good phone but its price should come down to somewhere around the Galaxy S8.
While the s8 to x is a good comparison, the x should last for 3-4 years thanks to Apple support. Samsung will abandon the s8 within 2 years.
 
For the first time in 10 years of owning an iPhone I feel defensive about owning one. The most expensive phone on the planet should be the best phone too as it has always been. However this time around the competition has significantly caught up and one could easily make the case of the competition surpassing the iPhone X. In almost every aspect the iPhone is behind an Android counter-part

Camera - the Pixel XL beats the iPhone X in most real life use cases - portrait mode, indoor lightinf, low lighting and sharpness. Yes the iPhone X is the only phone capable 4k at 60fps but you would eat up that 256GB fast. The unlimited free storage on Pixel is the added cherry on the cake.

OS - iOS 11 has fast earned the reputation of the buggiest and clunkiest iOS ever. Compare this with the increasing polish and ever improving feature set of Android Oreo - Google Lens, better stock apps, better notification systems, better AR and Google Photos. Having a beast of A11 is of no value of it is hamstrung by a buggy OS

Design - one has to agree the Galaxy S8 is the best designed phone of the year and has been ahead of the iPhone for a few years now.

Assistant - Siri vs Google Assistant - no contest. Google assistant is getting better by the day as more people continue using it

Software innovation - I'll pick Google Lens over Animoji any day. MotionStills and Photos an are a few examples of genuinely useful apps. An average iPhone user is far more dependant on the Google and has at least 5-6 Google apps.

Battery Life - heard instances of far better battery life on the pixel vs the iphone

Payment system - Samsung Pay is a far better and wider accepted payment system globally than Apple Pay and they have been very pro-active in introducing this to countries where Apple Pay isn't present.

Screen - Yes the iPhone X has the best OLED display (made by Samsung) but there are people who prefer the Samsung colour pop and not having the notch is an added bonus.

So in almost every area which matters the iPhone X is second best. Having to pay first class prices for a second class phone makes me defensive. It is no wonder that almost none of the tech publications in the year end flagship smart phone round-up mention the iPhone as the winner.

It won't be long before a single Android phone incorporates all the best features into a single phone for a much lesser price.

Owning an iPhone meant owning the best phone money could buy which sadly isn't true any more.

Agreed.

The pixel is better at being an “iPhone” than the iPhone X is at being an iPhone.

The pixel takes better pictures and I just found out they they can do PIP and play YouTube video audio in the background without paying for YouTube red.

How the tables have turned when we’re using specs to say why the iPhone is better when it used to be the smooth, reliable, “just works”, “fast” user experience would be the reasons why an iPhone is better.
 
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If you think that there's a better phone for you, you should have bought that one.

If the iPhone X is your phone of choice then what do you have to defend, and to whom?

I don't understand why people feel that they need to justify their phone choice or criticize others'. It requires no more justification than your choice of underwear. Go with what you like. Let everyone else do the same. Don't care what others think. End of story.

^^^ This!
 
For the first time in 10 years of owning an iPhone I feel defensive about owning one. The most expensive phone on the planet should be the best phone too as it has always been. However this time around the competition has significantly caught up and one could easily make the case of the competition surpassing the iPhone X. In almost every aspect the iPhone is behind an Android counter-part

Camera - the Pixel XL beats the iPhone X in most real life use cases - portrait mode, indoor lightinf, low lighting and sharpness. Yes the iPhone X is the only phone capable 4k at 60fps but you would eat up that 256GB fast. The unlimited free storage on Pixel is the added cherry on the cake.

OS - iOS 11 has fast earned the reputation of the buggiest and clunkiest iOS ever. Compare this with the increasing polish and ever improving feature set of Android Oreo - Google Lens, better stock apps, better notification systems, better AR and Google Photos. Having a beast of A11 is of no value of it is hamstrung by a buggy OS

Design - one has to agree the Galaxy S8 is the best designed phone of the year and has been ahead of the iPhone for a few years now.

Assistant - Siri vs Google Assistant - no contest. Google assistant is getting better by the day as more people continue using it

Software innovation - I'll pick Google Lens over Animoji any day. MotionStills and Photos an are a few examples of genuinely useful apps. An average iPhone user is far more dependant on the Google and has at least 5-6 Google apps.

Battery Life - heard instances of far better battery life on the pixel vs the iphone

Payment system - Samsung Pay is a far better and wider accepted payment system globally than Apple Pay and they have been very pro-active in introducing this to countries where Apple Pay isn't present.

Screen - Yes the iPhone X has the best OLED display (made by Samsung) but there are people who prefer the Samsung colour pop and not having the notch is an added bonus.

So in almost every area which matters the iPhone X is second best. Having to pay first class prices for a second class phone makes me defensive. It is no wonder that almost none of the tech publications in the year end flagship smart phone round-up mention the iPhone as the winner.

It won't be long before a single Android phone incorporates all the best features into a single phone for a much lesser price.

Owning an iPhone meant owning the best phone money could buy which sadly isn't true any more.

I don’t care about what other people think about my purchases so I don’t feel the need to defend them. I buy what I want. I don’t think objectively the iPhone has been the best phone for a few years now however it’s still my preferred phone. I have tried the last two generations of samsung flagships and even then I decided that even the previous generation iPhone was better for me even if I did end up upgrading to the current iPhone (S7 edge vs 6S plus, Note 8 vs 7 plus).

As for your points I don’t agree with them all.

Camera- I’ve never used the pixel XL, however I do accept that most reviews put it higher than my X. However the X is a good camera and unltimately is good enough for me. It’s easy to use and I own several other Apple products and I like that any pictures I have get automatically uploaded to iCloud and are then available for me on my other devices. Yes I understand that google offer free storage but iCloud is a better solution for me even if I do have to pay a small amount every month for it. It suits me because I have multiple Apple devices and use it particularly on my MacBook and I use iCloud Drive on my other devices. I’ve used google photos on my iPad but uploading is slow and it just drained my battery. It does work better on android devices though. I’ve used the camera on the note 8 and prefer the camera on the X.


OS- I don’t have any issues with iOS 11. It was lacklustre in terms of new features but I prefer iOS and I didn’t see anything compelling in Oreo either. I wouldn’t get a stock android phone because I find them as boring as hell, yet samsung which would be my choice takes ages to get updated. So for me being on android is a moot point as far as software updates go. I think the Samsung’s software is more interesting than google’s anyway and you get features years before google implement them into android.

Design- Samsung’s flagships this year are gorgeous however so is the X.

Assistant- Yes google assistant is a lot better than Siri but I don’t really use it much and for the few times I do Siri is good enough.

Software Innovation- Yes google is better than this without a doubt. This is their speciality

Battery life- iPhones are better in standby. Also android phones are still not immune from rouge battery days and misbehaving apps. I don’t have time to install battery dr apps and try and figure out why my battery is playing up. The iPhone is not perfect but it is more consistent. If your battery life is rubbish on the iPhone it’s consistently bad, it doesn’t just do whatever the hell it wants on any given day.

Payment system- We don’t use magnetic strip readers in the the UK, so Android pay, Apple Pay and Samsung pay work in the same places here. However I give the nod to Apple Pay because its been here longer, its supported by more banks and from the get go it worked on the Apple Watch. Samsung have been selective on which watches it was supported on and this came in later updates. Google wear is a mess and I don’t think you can do android pay on those watches.

Screen- I haven’t put a samsung display next to the X. I’d imagine that the samsung display is more pleasing to the eye because you can have the screen set to pop. However the screen on the X is good enough. Both screens have limitations. The X has the notch and on Samsung displays the curved screen distorts some of the screen. Both don’t really bother me but neither are perfect.

So overall I prefer the X. I had the note 8 before the X. I sold it and initially was going to go back to using my 7 plus before I just decided to get the X. So you can see despite all of the bells and whistles of the note over the 7 plus, I still preferred the 7 to the note.
 
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OS - iOS 11 has fast earned the reputation of the buggiest and clunkiest iOS ever. Compare this with the increasing polish and ever improving feature set of Android Oreo - Google Lens, better stock apps, better notification systems, better AR and Google Photos. Having a beast of A11 is of no value of it is hamstrung by a buggy OS

<You’re clearly exaggerating here, but ok, if you say so>


Design - one has to agree the Galaxy S8 is the best designed phone of the year and has been ahead of the iPhone for a few years now.

<Design is subjective. For me, I hate the curves. If the S8 had a “flat” or slightly curved display like the Pixel XL or iPhone X then sure.>


Software innovation - I'll pick Google Lens over Animoji any day. MotionStills and Photos an are a few examples of genuinely useful apps. An average iPhone user is far more dependant on the Google and has at least 5-6 Google apps.

<Lot of numbers given here with no data to support. I personally don’t have 1 Google app>

Battery Life - heard instances of far better battery life on the pixel vs the iphone

<So literally no evidence to support, just saying you “heard it somewhere”.>

Payment system - Samsung Pay is a far better and wider accepted payment system globally than Apple Pay and they have been very pro-active in introducing this to countries where Apple Pay isn't present.

<Are we saying the Pixel is better? Because it doesn’t have Samsung Pay...>

Screen - Yes the iPhone X has the best OLED display (made by Samsung) but there are people who prefer the Samsung colour pop and not having the notch is an added bonus.

<Ok, so even when the display is rated the best, now we are being subjective again and saying Samsung wins, which again, are we saying the iPhone X loses to the Pixel or the S8?>

So in almost every area which matters the iPhone X is second best. Having to pay first class prices for a second class phone makes me defensive. It is no wonder that almost none of the tech publications in the year end flagship smart phone round-up mention the iPhone as the winner.

<You say this but you literally had to compare it to numerous phones and SOME of their features it’s say it’s not the best. So the design is worse than the Galaxy S8 and the Pixel has free unlimited photo storage....ok cool, but the iPhone X, even after your argument is still apparently the most solid overall phone because you have to use a Galaxy S8 to win in some of your above categories or the Pixel for other above categories, but not one of those side by side beats the iPhone X apparently. Also, in terms of publications not mentioning the iPhone as the phone of the year, I’m sorry but I can easily link you to numerous that prove you wrong. And I’m not talking small publications.

A lot of your argument is taking the best feature from certain phones and using that to say the iPhone isn’t the best. And it’s filled with a bunch of subjective opinions that aren’t backed by any data.


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Don't ever think about proud or ? I really like my iPhone and have liked them all - fast, long battery life, smooth, great pictures, etc.
My wife had a Galaxy and it was really junk - terrible battery, updates always added junk to the system. Couldn't wait until paid off and loves her 8+
 
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Reminds me of myopic PC users who proclaim they have the best computer because it has the highest GHz processor.

Worse than that: that guy should have just asked "but where's the Apple logo?"
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Hard to explain how my three year old 6 plus (backup for foreign travel hotspot) still runs fine. Hell even my Five runs fine.

It’s fake news.

Keep in mind that fake news implies a made-up story.

Apple has admitted to slowing down older phones when batteries have degraded some: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...g-of-iphones-with-degraded-batteries.2096297/

Thus, NOT "fake news" in spite of your own experience.

I know that many here are programmed to defend Apple against anything that sounds like any kind of slight, but here you are having to call Apple a liar to call their own admission fake (news).
 
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