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In my experience speaking with Android supporters they make these blanket statements about "true innovation" and "better features" and then when asked for examples cannot provide them.

I am not an Android fan. I am locked completely into the Apple ecosystem. I know almost nothing about Android as an OS or what their hardware suppliers are doing because, like many, there is no way I'm jumping over to Android so I never bothered to pay attention.

But that said...let's pretend someone with an iPhone is willing to jump over to Android. Tell us, what are the big "Android innovations" and "better features" everyone keeps raving about that the flagship iPhone X is lacking?

Well from what I hear if you want to send original quality video pics you’re going to have to download battery hogging WhatsApp or Facebook messenger and hope everyone you come in contact too has that downloaded also or convince them to download so you can say it works like iMessage
 
Well from what I hear if you want to send original quality video pics you’re going to have to download battery hogging WhatsApp or Facebook messenger and hope everyone you come in contact too has that downloaded also or convince them to download so you can say it works like iMessage
I'm not exactly confident about calling these numbers battery-hogging:

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Wrong. I've been an iPhone owner since 2007 and love them. However, I have tried out the occasional Android flagship.
I’ve tried all the flagships too well mostly all the nexus lineup which should be their vanilla but premium phones. I would always come back because I would mess up everyone’s group message. Yes texting is what I do 80% of the time on the phone so it’s important to me. But to have people that are stubborn like a mule to download something all together and decide to use it all together is tough. “Go back and get a iPhone”. And for me to just pick up my iPad and start where I left off with the phone still in my car is awesome. Plus I wouldn’t trust no 3rd party with anything I text anyways
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I'm not exactly confident about calling these numbers battery-hogging:

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But go ahead and search WhatsApp eating my battery and see what comes up then when you email them theyll probably tell you wait for a patch or it’s your phone. I’m sure iMessage as there problems with battery hog too but Apple will fix that real quick
[doublepost=1514400350][/doublepost]WhatsApp or Facebook security isn’t on par to me with apples security so no thank you and yeah I’m not going to convince my 60 and over clients to download and use WhatsApp of Facebook messenger to say it works like iMessage. “Why can’t I see a clear video of my grandson?” -“oh Johnny felt edgy and cool and wants to be a rebel so he got the note 8 and now you have to download WhatsApp so you can get high quality text”. -“what’s a note 8?” ‍♂️
 
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Agreed.

The pixel is better at being an “iPhone” than the iPhone X is at being an iPhone.

The pixel takes better pictures and I just found out they they can do PIP and play YouTube video audio in the background without paying for YouTube red.

How the tables have turned when we’re using specs to say why the iPhone is better when it used to be the smooth, reliable, “just works”, “fast” user experience would be the reasons why an iPhone is better.

Lol, have you used Oreo?, it’s garbage even by android standards. It’s buggy as hell. iOS betas are more stable.
 
WhatsApp or Facebook security isn’t on par to me with apples security so no thank you and yeah I’m not going to convince my 60 and over clients to download and use WhatsApp of Facebook messenger to say it works like iMessage. “Why can’t I see a clear video of my grandson?” -“oh Johnny felt edgy and cool and wants to be a rebel so he got the note 8 and now you have to download WhatsApp so you can get high quality text”. -“what’s a note 8?” ‍♂️

WhatsApp security used to be a joke, but they've improved since and chats are end-to-end encrypted like iMessage, so I can live with that. But naturally if your contacts are close to 100% iPhone, iMessage has a definite use case. For me the number is way below 50%, I'd guess maybe 35% right now (it's down from what it used to be a few years ago, so I guess Apple's ever-increasing Euro prices are starting to show), so at least in my case it's more likely that the recipient gets a usable version if I send it with WhatsApp/FB Messenger or actually even receives it. I can't be sure how successfully former iOS users have deactivated iMessage, so relying on the Apple Messages app carries a risk of sending the message into a limbo.

But if you're living in almost 100% iPhone environment, I can see the appeal of iMessage.
 
But if you're living in almost 100% iPhone environment, I can see the appeal of iMessage.

This is why I've never understood the huge fuss over iMessage. Don't get me wrong, I understand its cool features and advantages, but unless you live in a world where everyone you communicate with also has iPhones, I don't see how giving it up is a such a deal breaker. My social circle is pretty much a 50/50 iPhone/Android split. Even my girlfriend is an Android user, so I still have to use regular SMS texts, WhatsApp, or FaceBook Messenger for at least half of my messaging anyway.
 
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I’ve tried all the flagships too well mostly all the nexus lineup which should be their vanilla but premium phones. I would always come back because I would mess up everyone’s group message. Yes texting is what I do 80% of the time on the phone so it’s important to me. But to have people that are stubborn like a mule to download something all together and decide to use it all together is tough. “Go back and get a iPhone”. And for me to just pick up my iPad and start where I left off with the phone still in my car is awesome. Plus I wouldn’t trust no 3rd party with anything I text anyways

I always came back to the iPhone, but the Androids I tried were very good hardware. My biggest beef, and I know this sounds picky, was a lot of the non-mainstream Android apps weren't as full-featured or easy to use as their direct iOS counterparts. Still, I might try another Android flagship in 2018 and see how it goes.

Also, I have yet to find as full-featured an app as AirVideo HD on Android. They all seem kludgy to me. I've gotten suggestions from Android users as far as an AirVideo HD replacement, but they never work as easily or as well.

That being said, the Nova launcher? Fantastic. I dream that Apple would institute a feature such as this so I could have my 5-column springboard and dock. Android allows you to turn off all animations as well. Like I said, just a dream...:D
 
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Lol, have you used Oreo?, it’s garbage even by android standards. It’s buggy as hell. iOS betas are more stable.

I guess I was specifically speaking on the camera or very very non techy user features. Not that I would switch to android anytime soon but there are some very useful/just makes sense OS features on android starting with PIP or option of multi window even on the non plus pixel.

Stock app to stock app I think google has better apps aside from imessage.

Disclaimer these are just features I've seen not actually experienced so overall buginess would be a deal breaker for me regardless. When I had a 7 plus there were a lot more "quirks" on ios 11 vs using an iphone x imo. Are we allowed to mention fragmentation here?
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This is why I've never understood the huge fuss over iMessage. Don't get me wrong, I understand its cool features and advantages, but unless you live in a world where everyone you communicate with also has iPhones, I don't see how giving it up is a such a deal breaker. My social circle is pretty much a 50/50 iPhone/Android split. Even my girlfriend is an Android user, so I still have to use regular SMS texts, WhatsApp, or FaceBook Messenger for at least half of my messaging anyway.

Kind of scary that this is reminding of why Blackberry users refused to let go of their blackberry's because of BBM. Eerily similar reasoning.
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But if you're living in almost 100% iPhone environment, I can see the appeal of iMessage.

Agreed and this is for any situation with more than one Apple device. The "handoff" from iphone to ipad or macbook book and even headphones with the W1 chip is amazingly easy and convenient.

That being said with google hangouts/voice and a 3rd party smart keyboard you can get a very similar experience as imessage IMO.
 
Ok, compare apples best to androids best:

Galaxy S8/+
Galaxy note 8
Pixel 2/xl2
OnePlus 5/T
Mate 10 pro
Lg V30

So many apple fanboys can’t handle hearing anything positive about Android. It’s not a bunch of bug riddled phones owned by poor people anymore.
Pick one phone to go head to head with the apple. cant have apple stack up against 8 other phones that each have pros/cons about them and then compare it to apples X directly.

IE pixels camera is nice, but its design is trash/cheap w/ low grade amoled screens but the 5T is a good budget device but doesn't have stuff like wireless charging or any water proofing. Samsung had the SLOWEST of all phones updates and runs the worst skin (touch wiz) LGs have boot looping history so may people didnt even check for the V30, the MATE series isn't even a true American phone, its cant even be bought via a carrier.
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Exactly the attitude Apple needs to raise prices for lesser innovations
please tell me what about the apple/iphone X that not innovative?

the new face ID tech?
the top to bottom edge to edge screen with the fold under design?
the notch?
the air pods/design tech?
the apple pay built into imessage?
the anti image retention features built into the X?
portrait mode camera features?
their new photo/video format that reduces size but maintains quality?
4k@60fps video capturing?

please let me know. so much is said about apple not being innovative or behind the times. but its just that apple doesn't leap to the latest fad in tech like droids do that are really crummy at first.

IE: 3D cameras fad?
crappy 1st/2nd gen amoled screens
dual screens?
crappy capacitive buttons?
slow/hot wireless charging tech?
crummy swipe fingerprint readers?
i could go on..
 
I guess I was specifically speaking on the camera or very very non techy user features. Not that I would switch to android anytime soon but there are some very useful/just makes sense OS features on android starting with PIP or option of multi window even on the non plus pixel.

Stock app to stock app I think google has better apps aside from imessage.

Disclaimer these are just features I've seen not actually experienced so overall buginess would be a deal breaker for me regardless. When I had a 7 plus there were a lot more "quirks" on ios 11 vs using an iphone x imo. Are we allowed to mention fragmentation here?
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Kind of scary that this is reminding of why Blackberry users refused to let go of their blackberry's because of BBM. Eerily similar reasoning.
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Agreed and this is for any situation with more than one Apple device. The "handoff" from iphone to ipad or macbook book and even headphones with the W1 chip is amazingly easy and convenient.

That being said with google hangouts/voice and a 3rd party smart keyboard you can get a very similar experience as imessage IMO.
Really reluctant to wade in this discussion because I don't care which is better for any individual, but I'm curious and/or wanted to comment about some things. I'm into solutions, not fanaticism.

What stock apps do you think are better on google? I don't use many stock apps at all, so wondering which you find better. I know google maps is better, but Apple's is mostly serviceable for me at this point. Others I use are contacts, calendar, clock, music, safari, imessage, the rest is pretty much 3rd party. Another poster mentioned that 3rd party apps are almost always better on iOS, understandably due to the statistically higher spending of iOS users.

BBM comparison would be more applicable if the user base shrunk to what BB's was the last few years (thanks Apple). It would be useless at that point. The reason the iMessage base is so loyal is because there are so many iOS users. If their share dropped off, there really wouldn't be a point to iMessage. Much like chat apps that aren't widely used. They're only as good as their base. My circle is mostly iOS, but I keep Hangouts for the others.

Speaking of Hangouts, I tried to use it as my primary communication app, but call quality was awful. It didn't work very well as an all in one solution because of that. Has it gotten better? I use google voice numbers for spam only pretty much. Skype is SO much better than Hangouts for calls. Hangouts seems like an afterthought for google. iMessage/Facetime seem like it was prioritized by Apple. I remember people buying Macs JUST for Facetime. Both work great for calls and messaging and is seamless. I'm still not sure which app my calls will come through on my Mac sometimes, I just know that they come through very well.
 
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Really reluctant to wade in this discussion because I don't care which is better for any individual, but I'm curious and/or wanted to comment about some things. I'm into solutions, not fanaticism.

What stock apps do you think are better on google?

- Gboard (many many more options on the Google side), same with Swiftkey and every other keyboard.
- Clock - I can turn the g.d. volume down on the alarms I set - can't even believe there's still no independent volume control for alarms - Steve Jobs must have a maid with a bell that wakes him up every morning.
- Samsung browser allows you hide the top and bottom of the browser windows so all you see is the webpage you're on. Doesn't sound like a big deal but when you have a bezel-less phone, to be able to see nothing but the web page you're on is sweet.

I don't agree that apps are almost always better on iOS. For example, we all use email heavily - the most robust, most customizable email client app is on Android - Aquamail - it is ultra stable and the customization options are endless
 
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Speaking of Hangouts, I tried to use it as my primary communication app, but call quality was awful. It didn't work very well as an all in one solution because of that. Has it gotten better? I use google voice numbers for spam only pretty much. Skype is SO much better than Hangouts for calls. Hangouts seems like an afterthought for google. iMessage/Facetime seem like it was prioritized by Apple. I remember people buying Macs JUST for Facetime. Both work great for calls and messaging and is seamless. I'm still not sure which app my calls will come through on my Mac sometimes, I just know that they come through very well.

I can't really comment on the call quality as I only use that # for craigslist or buying/selling thing online. The call quality seemed "acceptable" but not as clear as an actual phone call or wifi audio facetime call. I know hangouts is cross platform, available through an app or browser and you can have group video chats which you cannot with facetime. You do not need to have an android device to use hangouts but you do need to have an apple device to use imessage or facetime.

Oh you can also create public group chats now through a link which is pretty interesting for certain use cases.

The only thing hangouts is missing is the the whole app integration and snapchat filters.... then it'll be FB Messenger lol
 
This is why I've never understood the huge fuss over iMessage. Don't get me wrong, I understand its cool features and advantages, but unless you live in a world where everyone you communicate with also has iPhones, I don't see how giving it up is a such a deal breaker. My social circle is pretty much a 50/50 iPhone/Android split. Even my girlfriend is an Android user, so I still have to use regular SMS texts, WhatsApp, or FaceBook Messenger for at least half of my messaging anyway.
iMessage was there well before any of the third party apps appeared. Except BBM perhaps. What was and still is a huge advantage is that the user doesn’t have to make the choice whether to use SMS or iMessage. SMS has been a hugely popular and standard service in GSM countries since the early nineties, but less so I guess for our USA based friends. That is why iMessage was and continues to be so great.

Regarding the OP I really don’t understand the comments regardling Apple Pay vs Samsung Pay. If anything Apply Pay is utilising a global standard for contactless payment. You don’t require any special terminals, you don’t require merchants to be signed up to it you simply use it. The only thing that is required is that your own bank supports it and that is their choice. If my bank didn’t support it I’d rather switch my bank to have access to this convenience and secure method. I much prefer not giving my card details nor my pin to a merchant opposite to handing them my magnetic strip electronically.

Since using Apple Pay I’ve only been to the U.K., Netherlands, Germany, Poland, Russia, France, Qatar, UAE, Cyprus and Australia. All working absolutely fine.
 
- Gboard (many many more options on the Google side), same with Swiftkey and every other keyboard.
- Clock - I can turn the g.d. volume down on the alarms I set - can't even believe there's still no independent volume control for alarms - Steve Jobs must have a maid with a bell that wakes him up every morning.
- Samsung browser allows you hide the top and bottom of the browser windows so all you see is the webpage you're on. Doesn't sound like a big deal but when you have a bezel-less phone, to be able to see nothing but the web page you're on is sweet.

I don't agree that apps are almost always better on iOS. For example, we all use email heavily - the most robust, most customizable email client app is on Android - Aquamail - it is ultra stable and the customization options are endless
FWIW, these aren't very compelling features to me personally, but could very well be to others. I don't use other keyboards but heard good things about Swiftkey. The volume of the clock doesn't bother me, but maybe it's the alarm I chose. Samsung browser full screen sounds like a good feature, but I haven't found myself wanting of more space with the X where only a small sliver at top remains. I was expecting to hear a couple tidbits about stock apps like maps which can't really be denied that it has more data and accuracy on google. Maybe others may chime in about others.

I should clarify what I meant about "better" 3rd party apps. There are some apps that are exclusive to either platform, not referring to those. I've just heard from articles and even from Android users, that on apps that are available on both, developers tend to update and finish apps faster and better for iOS. The rationale I referred to was due to iOS users spending more per user than Android, therefore it's a higher ROI for these developers. That could change in the near future, but given demographics and spend habits of users of both platforms, I can see their motivation. No, not a comment that all Android users are poor or anything to do with income. That's not directly relevant though it could be correlated. iPhone users could just be unwise with money.
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I can't really comment on the call quality as I only use that # for craigslist or buying/selling thing online. The call quality seemed "acceptable" but not as clear as an actual phone call or wifi audio facetime call. I know hangouts is cross platform, available through an app or browser and you can have group video chats which you cannot with facetime. You do not need to have an android device to use hangouts but you do need to have an apple device to use imessage or facetime.

Oh you can also create public group chats now through a link which is pretty interesting for certain use cases.

The only thing hangouts is missing is the the whole app integration and snapchat filters.... then it'll be FB Messenger lol
Agree that the cross platform is key. It will always be beneficial because of this and probably always have a place on my phone. I've used group chats and links and other features too. I appreciate there is always a long feature list with google products for when you need them. I know they pushed a lot of the cool internet tricks early on as betas, and others haven't really pushed into these areas. But with that innovation, they don't always finish the job. Many products seem half finished, but without other good alternatives, I use them.
 
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FWIW, these aren't very compelling features to me personally, but could very well be to others. I don't use other keyboards but heard good things about Swiftkey. The volume of the clock doesn't bother me, but maybe it's the alarm I chose. Samsung browser full screen sounds like a good feature, but I haven't found myself wanting of more space with the X where only a small sliver at top remains. I was expecting to hear a couple tidbits about stock apps like maps which can't really be denied that it has more data and accuracy on google. Maybe others may chime in about others.

I should clarify what I meant about "better" 3rd party apps. There are some apps that are exclusive to either platform, not referring to those. I've just heard from articles and even from Android users, that on apps that are available on both, developers tend to update and finish apps faster and better for iOS. The rationale I referred to was due to iOS users spending more per user than Android, therefore it's a higher ROI for these developers. That could change in the near future, but given demographics and spend habits of users of both platforms, I can see their motivation. No, not a comment that all Android users are poor or anything to do with income. That's not directly relevant though it could be correlated. iPhone users could just be unwise with money.
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Agree that the cross platform is key. It will always be beneficial because of this and probably always have a place on my phone. I've used group chats and links and other features too. I appreciate there is always a long feature list with google products for when you need them. I know they pushed a lot of the cool internet tricks early on as betas, and others haven't really pushed into these areas. But with that innovation, they don't always finish the job. Many products seem half finished, but without other good alternatives, I use them.

My wish list:
  • Throttle option/battery indicator
  • PIP
  • iMessage keyboard everywhere
  • Group facetime
  • Be able to have widgets and apps on the same page
  • True dark mode. Even better battery life lol
  • And prob not going to happen but iPhone X gestures on all Apple devices
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FWIW, these aren't very compelling features to me personally, but could very well be to others. I don't use other keyboards but heard good things about Swiftkey. The volume of the clock doesn't bother me, but maybe it's the alarm I chose. Samsung browser full screen sounds like a good feature, but I haven't found myself wanting of more space with the X where only a small sliver at top remains. I was expecting to hear a couple tidbits about stock apps like maps which can't really be denied that it has more data and accuracy on google. Maybe others may chime in about others.

I should clarify what I meant about "better" 3rd party apps. There are some apps that are exclusive to either platform, not referring to those. I've just heard from articles and even from Android users, that on apps that are available on both, developers tend to update and finish apps faster and better for iOS. The rationale I referred to was due to iOS users spending more per user than Android, therefore it's a higher ROI for these developers. That could change in the near future, but given demographics and spend habits of users of both platforms, I can see their motivation. No, not a comment that all Android users are poor or anything to do with income. That's not directly relevant though it could be correlated. iPhone users could just be unwise with money.
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Agree that the cross platform is key. It will always be beneficial because of this and probably always have a place on my phone. I've used group chats and links and other features too. I appreciate there is always a long feature list with google products for when you need them. I know they pushed a lot of the cool internet tricks early on as betas, and others haven't really pushed into these areas. But with that innovation, they don't always finish the job. Many products seem half finished, but without other good alternatives, I use them.

My wish list:
  • Throttle option/battery indicator
  • PIP
  • iMessage keyboard everywhere
  • Group facetime
  • Be able to have widgets and apps on the same page
  • True dark mode. Even better battery life lol
  • And prob not going to happen but iPhone X gestures on all Apple devices
 
iMessage was there well before any of the third party apps appeared. Except BBM perhaps. What was and still is a huge advantage is that the user doesn’t have to make the choice whether to use SMS or iMessage. .

I don’t get why this is a big deal when these days most people seem to have plans with unlimited texts.
 
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Yes the iPhone X is the only phone capable 4k at 60fps but you would eat up that 256GB fast.
So what? You're saying the other phone is better because the video quality is lower so doesn't use up memory so fast?
With the new HEVC 4k 60fps eats up less memory than it might otherwise have.

OS - iOS 11 has fast earned the reputation of the buggiest and clunkiest iOS ever.
I've had the most of the beta versions on my 7Plus and X and haven't noticed anything at all in normal use. I am not saying that bugs do not exist but in my usage none have manifested themselves

Design - one has to agree the Galaxy S8 is the best designed phone of the year and has been ahead of the iPhone for a few years now.
Entirely subjective. I love the X and prefer it to any other current phone.

Assistant - Siri vs Google Assistant - no contest. Google assistant is getting better by the day as more people continue using it
Well that is iPhone in general and not specific to X

Battery Life - heard instances of far better battery life on the pixel vs the iphone
We all want longer battery life. It is midnight here and my X has been off charge since 7am and it's still at 65%. More than enough for me.

Payment system - Samsung Pay is a far better and wider accepted payment system globally than Apple Pay and they have been very pro-active in introducing this to countries where Apple Pay isn't present.
It will improve.

Screen - Yes the iPhone X has the best OLED display (made by Samsung) but there are people who prefer the Samsung colour pop and not having the notch is an added bonus.
Again this is subjective. I prefer the X colours and the notch is cute.

So in almost every area which matters the iPhone X is second best.
On paper some other phones might do things better or have better hardware, but I think the X as a whole is a better package than those.

It won't be long before a single Android phone incorporates all the best features into a single phone for a much lesser price.
But it won't be Apple and it won't integrate seamlessly with other Apple hardware. So there is an added price to owning an iPhone over an Android. If that worries you then buy an Android.

Owning an iPhone meant owning the best phone money could buy which sadly isn't true any more.
Why did you buy it then?
 
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I don’t get why this is a big deal when these days most people seem to have plans with unlimited texts.
Before I had unlimited texting, I tried to minimize my texts to non iphone users. Wasn't always possible. Since then, I agree, if you are on unlimited texting, not a big deal.
 
I don’t get why this is a big deal when these days most people seem to have plans with unlimited texts.
Wouldn’t you like to have your messaging in a single application? And whilst SMS may be unlimited for most, MMS most certainly isn’t. IMessage provides a super convenient and easy extension to the SMS service to integrate full multi media from sharing nearly anything you’d like in a single application. I really like it.
 
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My wish list:
  • Throttle option/battery indicator
  • PIP
  • iMessage keyboard everywhere
  • Group facetime
  • Be able to have widgets and apps on the same page
  • True dark mode. Even better battery life lol
  • And prob not going to happen but iPhone X gestures on all Apple devices
Interesting list. Not exactly apps, but here's my take on your list...

Actually prefer throttle to the alternative but a non-issue in my life. Battery indicator I would like.
PIP - nope, too small for me to make real use of.
iMessage keyboard everywhere - never considered this. I guess I'm a simple man.
Group Facetime - had the need a couple of times. Would have been nice those couple of times.
Widgets+Apps - not sure what this means.
True dark mode - hell to the yeah. If you have the OLED, use it.
X gestures on others - again never considered, but it would unify the different phones. But it's just a nice to have on other phones, on the X it's needed. The old app closing gesture is better though. Everything else strangely feels similar.

Some of these are better for sure, but aren't in the gonna make me switch level. I would love more utilization of the OLED. True dark yes, but also always on and notifications now possible with the screen. Hopefully software updates can bring this. Most of your list actually can be enabled if they chose to do so. I can see why they don't. Like why I always have to "fix" my mom's computer every few months, never have to fix her iPhone though. But options are always good.
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Before I had unlimited texting, I tried to minimize my texts to non iphone users. Wasn't always possible. Since then, I agree, if you are on unlimited texting, not a big deal.
Haha, sad but true. I simply didn't text them and told them to stay out of my group texts. Seriously. I have unlimited now, but they're probably still stung by my exclusivity.
 
Wouldn’t you like to have your messaging in a single application? And whilst SMS may be unlimited for most, MMS most certainly isn’t. IMessage provides a super convenient and easy extension to the SMS service to integrate full multi media from sharing nearly anything you’d like in a single application. I really like it.

Which, as I said, would be really great if everyone I knew used iPhones.
 
Google is doing what Apple did so well. Make software features with integrated hardware that people will actually use on a day to day basis.
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Comes at a heavy price of USD 199 for AppleCare ! Samsung and Pixel come with 2 year warranties and fast chargers out of the box. The Apple tax isn’t buying bragging rights anymore
I don’t know—can you walk into a dedicated store with your google or Samsung phone and have it replaced or rapidly repaired if there is an issue?
 
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