I love my M1 Macs, got an Air and an 14" Pro... bonus round my iPad Pro... However I'm really dissapointed about the gaming part so I still need to have a gaming desktop and a laptop.
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I feel like i'm alone to dislike M1/what is it good for (Merged Mega Thread)
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If Apple had stayed on IBMs Power platform an we had the G9 right now waiting on the G10…..you wouldn’t even care about this. In that reality you never would have been able to install Windows. Apple lost its way when it showed up with Intel chips and it wasn’t even a choice for them really and it’s taken this long to get back on the right path. This is a loaded topic because Mac purists have been waiting for a long time for Apple to make the Mac a Mac again and not a PC clone. There hasn’t been an Intel Mac that I’ve liked or felt was a real Mac and I’m sure I’m not alone.14 pages just because i shared my disagree with Apple Policy
I'm an Apple Fanboy, but you guys are above everything 🤣
Can't even disagree with M1 policy without getting injured , terrible community.
Btw i'm very happy with my Mac pro 5.1 patched into Big Sur and won't move to M1 anymore it sucks.
The other part of your thoughts about the M1 is being a non-upgradable box. I hear you there, but the reality this is the future and everything is going that way. Honestly it’s been a lot of years since I needed to upgrade a Mac to keep it going. I upgraded my ancient Mac Pro, but mostly to have something to do. All the work didn’t really make it that much better. It was more disappointing than anything. If it was a 8100 or a G3 it would have made a difference, but today’s software and hardware is just not in the same place. I think you’ll see less of a need for upgradability as time goes on. A Mac with 32GB of RAM bought today will probably be enough for at least 5 years and probably more.
I think you are going through what a lot of went through when the Intel Macs showed up. I clung to my G5 until like 2012 until I was forced off it. For me I thought Macs running Windows was blasphemy and then got blasted all the time by the newer Intel fanboys running Windows lol.
But this is an exciting time to be a Mac person and I think in the long run you won’t even care about this stuff. This is gonna be game changing over the next 10 years I think.
Why should Mac's never have been able to run Windows in the first place? How did this feature change anything in how your Mac ran if you did not need to run Windows? I guess that is the Apple mentality though now, less options for more money.
For the most part a computer is a tool to get a job done. A tool that can do more and do it well is a better tool. Think you are getting lost in some fuzzy feelings and anthropomorphizing the Mac. Adding the ability to run multiple OS's was a huge deal to a lot of people, made the computer way more versatile. I could go into any environment and run the OS needed, all from one machine. Can't do that well with any computer from any other manufacturer. This was a great Mac thing that set it apart. I can't imagine wanting to limit features and functions from an Apple device simply because it does not "feel" right.
Sorry it’s not just a tool otherwise this forum wouldn’t exist. If my first Mac wasn’t put in front of me when I was a kid, I would be a totally different person and probably never would have had any interest and any of the things I do today. I for sure would not have met one of my closest friends that played a huge part in the course of my life. My entire life has essentially centered around this “tool” from all my creative passions to my day job in the industry. Sorry but a screw driver just hast done that much from me. People are passionate about the Macs because many people have these stories and it connected them to important things in their lives. While it sounds like an Apple commercial, it’s how many people feel.
So maybe it’s just a box on a desk for you, but for a lot of people here it’s a lot more than that.
“People disagreed with me and I’m shocked!”14 pages just because i shared my disagree with Apple Policy
I'm an Apple Fanboy, but you guys are above everything 🤣
Can't even disagree with M1 policy without getting injured , terrible community.
Btw i'm very happy with my Mac pro 5.1 patched into Big Sur and won't move to M1 anymore it sucks.
Apple absolutely made the right choice when it switched to Intel - by that stage, PPC wasn't offering any great advantage and, pre-iPhone, the idea that Apple could go it alone and produce their own CPU was ludicrous, and at that time ARM chips were only really being produced for pre-smartphones and embedded applications. Meanwhile, Apple didn't just switch to Intel, they were the early adopters of the Intel Core processors that represented a massive U-turn for Intel after the Netburst/Pentium 4 hit a thermal dead end. When Apple announced the switch in 2005 I think a lot of people had horrific visions of Macs lumbered with Pentium 4 space-heaters - the Core series were significantly more energy/heat efficient, and the initial MacBook/Pro/iMac designs really took advantage of that. Where it didn't work so well was with the "Pro" desktop machines, and especially the XServe which kinda lost its reason to exist c.f. a PC server running Linux. The first Mac Pros worked by actually being rather good value, quiet & well designed c.f. other Xeon systems - but the TrashCan was a sign of Apple desperately trying to distinguish themselves from a generic Xeon tower.
Apple, thanks to OS X and a less legacy-dependent software base, was uniquely placed vs. PC/Windows to be able to switch instruction sets (Windows NT was modern enough but had only just taken over from Win9x by then and was shackled with a ton of legacy requirements reaching back to DOS). The ability to run Windows on Macs was a huge bonus in 2006.
I think people fail to appreciate how much the back of the Windows empire has been broken since then between the rise of web-standards-based internet services (which run happily on Linux severs) on the one hand and the rise of mobile technology on the other... I'm not suggesting that Windows is not still huge and unavoidable in many fields, but from the 1990s through the 00s it was almost the only game in town. Things are far more diverse today - and the web is no longer in danger of being assimilated by Microsoft (...Google, Facebook etc. are another can of worms for the future, but they're pretty much committed to supporting a range of OSs and browsers). Loss of (x86) Windows compatibility, in 2022, will still be a deal-breaker for some but I don't think it is such a must-have today.
Certainly, by 2019, Apple had hit the buffers of what they could do with Intel chips to distinguish themselves - but I don't think the switch to ARM could have happened any sooner. What made it possible was 10 years of development of increasingly powerful A-series processors, funded by a huge market for mobile devices that simply hadn't existed in 2006. Apple had also had 15 years (starting with the switch to Intel killing off a load of abandonware) to "modernise" the Mac software base, get developers to use standard frameworks like Metal and Accelerate, dump 32 bit support etc. so that a huge critical mass of software could be ARM-ready - or at least work smoothy with Rosetta - on day one. By 2019 Apple could have almost stuck MacOS on an A12x iPad Pro and called it a Mac (the M1 was better).
The real problem is Apple's inflated prices for BTO RAM and SSD options (even when you look at comparable LPDDR4X upgrades and NVME Class 4 SSDs - and you only have to look at Apple's past prices for bog-standard DDR4 upgrades in the Intel iMacs and Mac Minis to see that Apple likes ~200-400% markups on upgrades) - these encourage people to under-buy and regret it later. There's no practical reason for an 8GB M1 to even exist outside of an iPad - unless you can rake in money by charging 2-4x the going rate for an upgrade.
...and with SSD - which can wear out with use in a way that other components don't - it is inexcusable to not have it on a daughterboard on anything bigger than a tablet, even if it is proprietary and can only be replaced with official parts. At least that's addressed in the Mac Studio.
IIRC I ran Windows 3.1 emulated in Connectix Virtual PC for System 7 on my PowerBook 5300 in 1996.
Yes your computer can be something special to you and someone else, but it is all relative to that person. So what feels like a "true" Mac to you is not a "true" Mac to someone else. To say Mac's should never have run Windows in the first place is purely your feelings towards Mac and personal to you, why you think that should have been imposed on everyone does not make a lot of sense to me and where does it end? What if someone else thinks Mac should never have been able to do this, or opposite Mac's used to be engineering marvels, The G3/G4 and G5 towers were clean computers with amazing cable management before anyone did that on the PC side. They were easily accessible, easy replaceable for hard drives, cd drives, rams, etc. I could say those are "true" Macs to me and Apple should have never gone the route of basically soldering everything to the logic board. Is my view less valid now of what a "true" Mac is?
The issue I have is that Apple could charge half the amount ($100 USD) for the 8–>16GB jump and users in this forum would simply switch the argument to “Apple shouldn’t be selling any Mac with less than 16GB of DRAM”, which is just another way of saying that Apple should give them 16GB for free. Same goes with storage. Apple upped the base storage and lowered costs on BTO storage upgrades back in 2019, IIRC, but the argument simply shifted again after that the BTO upgrades were still too expensive. My point is that Apple can shift their prices down and people on these forums are still going to complain. If I was Apple, I would figure out what I need to make the profit margin I need to pay for all that I need to keep in business and make a profit and ignore the people on these forums since they will never be satisfied with anything Apple does. I’ve seen it for 7 years here and the PC Parts Picker mentality just pervades the site and the lack of awareness that Apple is not going to race to the bottom to make forum users happy seems lost on many here.
The argument is that base specs have changed, the world of an 8 gig of RAM computer is well past. It is like selling old hardware knowing you are going to need to pay for the upgrade when the price of 8 gigs of RAM in the past is now the price of 16 gigs of RAM. I bought a new Subaru Outback last year. This is my second new Outback and I paid basically the same price for both, yet the new one has way more features and standard features that were not standard on the older ones. Car prices stay basically the same for the models they have yet they offer new features that are basically mainstream now. I think the complaint with Apple is they lag behind in someways and still charge a premium. Apple is a premium brand and product so you expect premium components especially when the price for RAM and Hard drives is inexpensive.
...and why not?
Heck, even with the Intel iMacs, Apple were shipping the i9, 10 core, $3000+ iMac with a laughable 8GB of bog standard DDR4 RAM and asking for $200 for an extra 8GB , which was only "acceptable" because you could DIY with exactly the same RAM from Crucial for $50. Apple haven't suddenly changed their spots and started charging cost price just because the RAM is now soldered onto a M1 module. If Apple were charging realistic prices for RAM it probably wouldn't be worth the extra effort and logistics of making 8GB M1 SoCs.
There's no special sauce here that makes the Apple upgrades so much more valuable - 5000/7000 MB/s Flash chips and LPDDR4X RAM are commodity products eve when they've been soldered into a Mac. Its 2022 and you shouldn't have to agonise over whether you really need 16GB RAM or 1 TB of SSD because Apple wants $400 for a $100 (retail) difference in component costs.
There are always complaints, because all choices are compromises and all compromises are bad for some people. The complaints are often justified, and Apple often listens to them and makes changes. The Mac Pro 2019 and the MBP 2021 examples of products that basically admit that Apple had made fundamentally wrong choices in their predecessors.
The prices Apple charges for RAM upgrades are interesting, because they are so wildly inconsistent. The iMac 2020 was probably the worst case, because Apple charged $2600 for RAM modules that you could buy for $600 and install yourself, which was plain evil. Some poor fools probably fell into the trap and paid the price, which made Apple no different from a common scammer. Memory upgrades in M1 Macs are similarly overpriced, but because the upgrade only costs $200, it's not such a big deal.
On the other hand, the RAM upgrades for M1 Max / Ultra Macs are good value for money. You pay $400 for a 32 GB to 64 GB upgrade and $800 for a 64 GB to 128 GB upgrade. Based on the prices of DDR5 modules, the market prices might be something like $300 and $600, which makes Apple pricing very reasonable.
It’s the “upgrade for a lower price” crowd.
They have something with an Apple logo on it already, so any future purchases for Apple should have a lowered price for them! Luckily for Apple, they’re selling more Macs now than they ever have, so there’s millions of folks that are ok with the value they get from the purchase.And, that’s what they’ve done. Apple’s even outgrown the NEED to grow the Mac part of their business, it’s profitable at it’s current prices and rate of sales.
Did I say it was a backup? I am just asking if the Software RAID is good. I already have three NAS and about 10 external hard drives for Backups.just a little word. prepare your raid carefully. One mistake can share to other disk also
https://www.prepressure.com/library/technology/raid
My conclusion - RAID is not backup. BACKUP is BACKUP . diff .
by default , mostly raid is using internal software. You can bought third party for manage your nas. The reason i said that , most mistake thinking some people think since it will copy the same thing it can be a backup tool. Raid mostly for fast read , and mostly on server rack rather then normal user usage . Ssd is fast enough compare to old style raid .
“I feel like i'm alone to dislike M1 Mac.” Yes you are alone if can’t recognize the huge leap the M1 processor has allowed Apple to make with it’s computer line. Apple however cannot make other software platforms fine tune their products any better than they are willing.
The problem is SOFTWARE AVAILABILITY for M1! I'm starting to see MANY Mac software uploads STILL Intel Only?
I guess the majority of Macs are Intel-based.
As time goes by, we should see more ARM64 builds / universal binaries.
iI's been 2 years now, what are they waiting for? When Apple went from PPC to Intel it only took 3 years! So if they don't change now they will die as Mac developers!
We’re not even at 18 months yet. Retail availability of M1 Macs was November of 2020. A lot of devs are taking a wait and see, some aren’t going to invest in any extra effort or code to have both versions until Rosetta is dropped, and that’s only if they have significant revenue from Mac users. Others who have already moved can take advantage of the holes left by lazy devs and companies who simply drop Mac support. Apple is not going back and this is their Arch for the next 15 years, easily, so devs need to make a decision.
It's been less than 6 months for many developers. The first ARM Macs that could replace the Intel Macs they were using were released in October 2021.
The infrastructure to support developing software for ARM Macs is also inadequate. You can't rent a cloud Mac by the second, which made many developers self-host their Mac CI servers. They often used high-memory Mac Minis for that purpose, but the M1 model released in 2020 was a poor replacement due to its limited memory capacity. (I guess that's also the reason why there are still no ARM Macs available in GitHub Actions.) The Mac Studio released last month was the first proper replacement for those Mac Minis.
The transition from PPC to Intel was faster, because Apple released high-end models almost immediately.
Software availability? Most common pieces of software have been available for a while.
For specific ones that are used in video, sound processing and production...well, nag and nag or vote with your wallet.
For specific ones that are used in video, sound processing and production...well, nag and nag or vote with your wallet.
It's been my Experience that change (in this case, Devs building AS compatible apps) doesn't fully happen until someone forces their hand. I'm sure most of the Devs/Companies listed there making the apps that are still Intel only, working via Rosetta2, assume 'All is well! My app works right now!', and are either on their own schedule as to what is deemed 'compatible', or maybe they genuinely don't have the knowledge to make it happen. Or maybe they don't care! At any rate, that's not Apple's problem as they've included a lot of tools to make it happen. Including working directly with a person to answer questions. The Dev just needs to be willing to reach out. I've submitted Feedback before that's gone un-noticed, but I've also had excellent help from Apple Support.
As for your initial post, I also felt like I was taking a gamble in Nov 2020 when I bought my M1 MBP, mainly because I was using my 2015 MBP for work (running Windows in Bootcamp. That MBP was the best Windows machine I've ever owned), and the Parallels VM situation wasn't clear. But, I figured I could always work around not having Windows, so I dug in. And then after the Parallels Tech Preview was released and I was able to do everything I was able to do before, except utilizing BootCamp, I'm still finding myself in awe of this machine. I'm able to do all of the stuff I was able to before on my 2015 MBP, along with running a Windows VM so I can use my work apps. It's smaller. The battery is still amazing nearly 1½ years later. I do wish I still had the stability of Big Sur when I first got it, but my remaining issues will eventually be fixed via Software Updates.
I still have my (almost 20 year old) G5 PPC Mac Pro, and it still boots up! I put in a 128GB SSD for the Boot Drive and then a 2TB Drive for Storage. Obviously 'the internet' doesn't work right, but it's still fun for an in house network share and to RDP into it. But, I remember the transition from PPC to Intel, because I've literally worked thru all of it, and can still power on each of these machines and 'go thru it again'. And even though TenFourFox is 'end of life', it still works as it did before...
This transition away from Intel is nothing but good for Apple. I can't wait to see what the new MacPros turn out to be.