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Windows laptops also come with 256 standard that are around $999 - $1299.


Not possible with LPDDR5 RAM. You would need normal DDR5 but then you would lose efficiency.


Agree, but I have a 16" 2019 and for 2 years +. I am good and my countries laws protect me if some thing happens to laptop within 5 years. I take backups too.

This laptop will easily last me till 2025-26 and by then I can upgrade and had this to my family members.
But when SSD's are user replaceable- or when their is a spare slot like in the Dell XPS I like the look of- it's cheap to add however much you need, precisely when you need it in the future, when prices are usually even lower. In 3 years 1tb will probably be £50.

That 5 year law is a good one- where are you living?

I'd sacrifice a little battery life for DDR5 over LPDDR5.

I do what you do with computers/tablets/phones normally too, but my last MacBook Air I kept for longer as it only had occasional use (desktops at home and work), and eventually the RAM died. Annoying enough that equates to a dead laptop rather than a cheap and quick fix, but could have been even more frustrating as I'd not backed up about 30 hours of work I'd done that week- luckily I was able to easily remove the SSD from it.
 

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A few people have said in the past during these discussions, the gripe is ultimately about pricing. Would you (honestly) feel worth mentioning these "problems" if Apple charged, for example: $100 to upgrade to 16GB, $200 to 32GB? (Basically, half of their current CTO prices)

Second, buying a "pre-built" then immediately after receiving it swapping out the RAM/SSDs for higher capacity components (because the cost was overall cheaper) is inefficient and wasteful — because who’s going to want/buy those barebones/minimal components you replaced?

Third, upgrading component by component can be practical for users who constantly push their systems to the limits. However, for most, when a system seems/is no longer effective/usable, there’s better value in replacing the entire thing because those incremental boosts are normally unnoticed, insufficiently valuable.
I did that with 27" iMacs at work and home. Cheaper to buy with the base level of RAM from Apple and upgrade them myself. The base level should be 16 gigs, they should not sell a machine with less then it, especially considering the premium price tag on Apple computers. There should be no increase for 16 gigs, it should just become standard.

There are lots of times being able to upgrade or change something yourself is needed, and saves time. The big one is the hard drive. If you wanted a 512 gig hard drive you were automatically paying $2000 CDN for that laptop. Seriously? Hard drives are cheap and also something one should be able to swap out for bigger should they decide they simply want more space. This also extends the life span of an older machine. They can be passed down to others who can still enjoy and use it with some simple upgrades like more hard drive space. I am really not sure why people are so against being able to upgrade and repair your machine easily an affordably. I guess tossing them into the landfill sooner is the better option, of course does not fit the going green narrative Apple is going for, but it does keep their bank account healthy. I just replaced the hard drive in a 2017 MacBook Pro, it had 512, needed more as it was being passed on to someone who is going to use it and will need a VM of Windows on top of the regular Mac use. I could do it on the 512 gig drive but with the space they need onto of the VM it would be tight. 10 mins and there is now a 1TB drive in there. Apple would not even do this for you, you buy it one way and that is it. Apple knows what is best for us obviously.
 
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I am really not sure why people are so against being able to upgrade and repair your machine easily an affordably.
I am not opposed to upgradeability or repairability in general. In fact, I have upgraded components in almost every personal computer I have owned. My complaint with arguments such as yours is two fold.

Foremost:

I did that with 27" iMacs at work and home. Cheaper to buy with the base level of RAM from Apple and upgrade them myself. The base level should be 16 gigs, they should not sell a machine with less then it, especially considering the premium price tag on Apple computers. There should be no increase for 16 gigs, it should just become standard.

There are lots of times being able to upgrade or change something yourself is needed, and saves time. The big one is the hard drive. If you wanted a 512 gig hard drive you were automatically paying $2000 CDN for that laptop. Seriously? Hard drives are cheap and also something one should be able to swap out for bigger should they decide they simply want more space.
So, it’s not about extending the lifespan of the device as it ages, you (and some others here) are just unwilling to admit you are cheapskates. In other words, as I said earlier, if Apple's upgrade charges were inline with retail component prices — or better yet, a maxed out config was easily within your budget — you’d probably have a big smile. Except, Apple’s prices are not. Another hard swallow, this upgrade argument (also stated by others here) is extremely similar to the very practices you lash out against.
I guess tossing them into the landfill sooner is the better option, of course does not fit the going green narrative Apple is going for, but it does keep their bank account healthy.
(Again) Or better yet, Epic v. Apple. Epic’s claim to sidestep Apple’s IAP system so they can offer a lower price to consumers and Apple believing there’s no need/room to adjust revenue sharing.
🤣😂
A poor masking of billion/trillion dollar corporations fighting over who gets the bigger piece of the money pie.

The next portion is about traditional, internal component upgrades being necessary. It’s a nice perk, but far from necessary.

One example:


While there’s a valid argument graphics card prices are way out of bounds… What about quad core CPUs at 2.3 to 2.7 GHz being the most popular. (Based on YouTube and forums, hardcore gamers have upgraded to 8 to 16-core CPUs. Hmmm... ) Or seemingly how most gamers are getting by with less than 25% of free storage space? You did say:
Hard drives are cheap and also something one should be able to swap out for bigger should they decide they simply want more space. This also extends the life span of an older machine.
Well, gosh, maybe Steam users don’t know about this ability. Or could it be their system is acceptable until they buy/assemble a completely new rig?

But seriously, as stated, I am not opposed to expandability (i.e. upgradeability) and device longevity.

I still use an early generation Xbox One (circa 2015), which I store my most played games on an 256GB external SSD to speed up loading. Could I replace the internal HDD? Sure, but it’s not worth the hassle IMO.

Attached to my mini is an external HDD used, in part, to store ~500GB of ripped movies and TV shows. Am I complaining that I cannot store this multimedia on my mini’s internal drive? Nope. The option exists, although, I didn’t think the additional storage cost was justifiable when I purchased the mini.

I sold my late 2012 Mac mini last year, which I upgraded from 8 to 16GB RAM and added a 480GB SSD to the stock 500GB HDD. Could I have splurged for the 16GB, 1TB Fusion Drive, and even the 2.6GHz quad-core Intel Core i7 (rather than the 2.5GHz dual-core i5) out of the gate? Of course. And perhaps the CPU upgrade would have allowed me to feel comfortable stretching until the M2? Maybe. However, I did not.

Ultimately, if you feel Apple’s products/services are not worth the cost. Okay, I respect that but not excuses (especially poorly veiled).
 

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I'm not sure anyone could defend Apple in terms of creating unnecessary e-waste with their behaviour, driven purely to extract more revenue. It's sanctimonious from a company that preaches environmental issues. If they need to charge more to offer components that aren't soldered in laptops (and desktops), and this also adds 0.3mm thickness, do it.
 
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I really do prefer macOS to Windows, but I don't hate Windows, and could avoid all the above irritations by buying a Dell.... Maybe next time I will. :(
I kinda think you should have bought a Dell THIS time, though. The fewer irritations, the better.
 

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I kinda think you should have bought a Dell THIS time, though. The fewer irritations, the better.
Ironically I needed a new Mac because the soldered RAM in my last one died, killing the thing... I have too much tied to Apple's ecosystem, like my photos libraries, to abandon ship entirely (for now) :(
 
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you (and some others here) are just unwilling to admit you are cheapskates.
That's pretty offensive.

And just what in the heck is wrong with that? Being budget conscious is *smart* -- unless you're rich beyond your own imagination.
 

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That's pretty offensive.

And just what in the heck is wrong with that? Being budget conscious is *smart* -- unless you're rich beyond your own imagination.
Agree. There's a huge difference between buying something because you're an enthusiast and just like having the all the new things and buying something because you actually need the power and features. I know there are serious professionals that are members here and comment often, I know there are others who just like jumping on new tech and have the money to do so, and I know there are still others that don't fall for any of the marketing or have any FOMO about anything and just want the things they need and only the things they need.

There's nothing wrong with any one of the three. Honestly, the MacBook Pro I just bought for personal use was not a necessary purchase. The M1 MacBook Air it replaced was more than sufficient for what I do. I'm fortunate enough to be able to buy Apple devices if I think I would enjoy a new feature, even if I don't need everything else. This is not fiscally responsible, nor is it necessary. It's just something I like. But it's not like I'm a "cheapskate" otherwise. Jeepers.
 

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I'm not sure anyone could defend Apple in terms of creating unnecessary e waste with their behaviour, driven purely to extract more revenue. It's sanctimonious from a company that preaches environmental issues. If they need to charge more to offer components that aren't soldered, and this also adds 0.3mm thickness, do it.
Everything every electronic company creates is potential e waste. It doesn’t matter if it’s upgradable or not, if the user that bought the device tosses it into a landfill… well, there’s nothing Apple, Microsoft, Dell or any other company can do to stop that.
 
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Ironically I needed a new Mac because the soldered RAM in my last one died, killing the thing... I have too much tied to Apple's ecosystem, like my photos libraries, to abandon ship entirely (for now) :(
Ah, understand. Still, though, I DO hope you’ve started looking at the features/configurations available in Dell systems in an effort to start moving off of Apple on your on schedule (and prior to the next failure!)
 

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So, it’s not about extending the lifespan of the device as it ages, you (and some others here) are just unwilling to admit you are cheapskates.
So, I wouldn’t say cheapskates, but I do recognize the allure for some of getting a mid to high tier product like a Mac at a lower price. Part of it might not even be about the cost at all, but more about the feeling one gets from being a “savvy shopper”.

But, in the end, I suppose there have been folks that have always felt the value of the Mac (or, perhaps specifically, it’s upgrades) doesn’t match what Apple charges. And, in the past, they’ve been able to that level of Mac anyway. These days, for them, the Mac they buy no longer comes with the added dopamine rush of “working the system to save money” or the joy of grabbing their set of screwdrivers and static band to remove (and responsibly recycle? :) the stock RAM or HD and installing their own. That diminishes the purchasing experience for those folks. But, for those new customers that never related those activities to the purchase of a Mac, they’re much more likely to just buy and enjoy.
 

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Everything every electronic company creates is potential e waste. It doesn’t matter if it’s upgradable or not, if the user that bought the device tosses it into a landfill… well, there’s nothing Apple, Microsoft, Dell or any other company can do to stop that.
That's a deliberate silly post. Feels like you're trolling me by intentionally missing the point, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You're saying that no one ever replaced a laptop because they needed more RAM or memory? Thus creating e-waste sooner rather than later. I've kept my PC desktops for waaaaay longer than I would have done if they were unupgradable- replacing things like GPU, CPU, RAM, storage, fans, and adding extra devices in the expansion slots. Massive improvements or fixes for a low cost. My previous work iMac became slow simply because of a lack of RAM, so I ordered some more and popped it in myself, and saved my employer from needing to buy a new computer for two more years or so. Extending usable life of products reduces e-waste. Simple as that.

Same with batteries that can be user replaced without great difficulty. Every laptop I've ever owned I've changed the battery before the end of the third year, and making it increasingly difficult is a horrible thing to do to consumers. After 5 years and 2 battery changes I typically pass my laptops and MacBooks to family members, and they're fine for a young niece or nephew. If I have to waste two hours dismantling the stupid thing and using IPA to dissolve glue and whatnot, I'm more likely just to bin the device. Apple have seen some sense and they're going the right way lately in terms of making batteries replaceable without a nightmare of a job.
 
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I'm not sure anyone could defend Apple in terms of creating unnecessary e-waste with their behaviour, driven purely to extract more revenue. It's sanctimonious from a company that preaches environmental issues. If they need to charge more to offer components that aren't soldered in laptops (and desktops), and this also adds 0.3mm thickness, do it.
Sure I can defend Apple in this regard:

a) I don't know of any other company developing specialized robots for the disassembly and recycling of iPhone parts.
b) I don't know of any other company that puts such an emphasis on greener, safer supply chains and using its own waste (like using recycled iPad aluminum for the MacBook chassis) for new products.
c) Resale value is high, especially on iPhones and Macs. People gobble up 2nd hand Apple devices like crazy. And if you don't want to go that route, Apple is happy to let you trade in with them.

I don't think I've ever just simply trashed an old/out of date Apple product that I didn't want anymore. I either sell it, give it away to someone else who could use it, or recycle/trade with Apple. There are about 5 non-Apple products on my desk right now that do not give me those options when they die. Because of that, I usually let Apple off the hook in my mind as far as e-waste. I really do think they're putting in an effort to reduce it. Whether it's really to save the planet or just save themselves money is immaterial to me. As long as it's happening at all, that's what's important.
 

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That's a deliberate silly post. Feels like you're trolling me by intentionally missing the point, but I'll give you the benefit of the doubt. You're saying that no one ever replaced a laptop because they needed more RAM or memory? Thus creating e-waste sooner rather than later.
The world is over 4 billion years old. Now, given that most people I know will never even end up living to see 1 billion years of age or using the same device for 1 billion years, whether a device ends up in a landfill now or 15 years from now REALLY doesn’t matter in the bigger scheme of things. Whether sooner or later, it’s still a device in a landfill.

What DOES matter, and where Apple and other companies have been making the effort, is reducing what gets discarded. Companies that offer to recycle products (many for free), companies that take those recycled products and make new products from those recycled materials, THAT’s where those companies can have the largest long term impact. People who are genuinely concerned about the environment are recycling all their stuff, so, to them, the environmental impact is reduced just from that action. A little less aluminum to make the next gadget, a little less rare earth material for magnets, etc. Those companies still end up discarding some parts that can’t be easily recycled, but what’s discarded is FAR less than what gets discarded when a user tosses a device in a landfill.

People who are NOT concerned about the environment are going to not only throw an old laptop into the landfill, but ALSO, the parts they replace when they upgrade. So, one way to reduce the environmental impact by those who don’t care about the environment… funnily enough, is to remove the ability to upgrade. :)
 

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The world is over 4 billion years old. Now, given that most people I know will never even end up living to see 1 billion years of age or using the same device for 1 billion years, whether a device ends up in a landfill now or 15 years from now REALLY doesn’t matter in the bigger scheme of things. Whether sooner or later, it’s still a device in a landfill.

What DOES matter, and where Apple and other companies have been making the effort, is reducing what gets discarded. Companies that offer to recycle products (many for free), companies that take those recycled products and make new products from those recycled materials, THAT’s where those companies can have the largest long term impact. People who are genuinely concerned about the environment are recycling all their stuff, so, to them, the environmental impact is reduced just from that action. A little less aluminum to make the next gadget, a little less rare earth material for magnets, etc. Those companies still end up discarding some parts that can’t be easily recycled, but what’s discarded is FAR less than what gets discarded when a user tosses a device in a landfill.

People who are NOT concerned about the environment are going to not only throw an old laptop into the landfill, but ALSO, the parts they replace when they upgrade. So, one way to reduce the environmental impact by those who don’t care about the environment… funnily enough, is to remove the ability to upgrade. :)
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So, I wouldn’t say cheapskates
Possibly not the optimal word choice.

That's pretty offensive.

And just what in the heck is wrong with that? Being budget conscious is *smart* -- unless you're rich beyond your own imagination.
I am very frugal (typically). Just a few further examples: I kept my Xbox 360 for 10 years. I didn’t have any kind of 4K display, including TV, until last year. I am still using an iPhone X, sixth generation iPad, and (for a couple of tasks) an iPad 2. While my finances are limited, the primary reason to not upgrade often is because I do not feel a need — plenty of wants, admittedly.

There's a huge difference between buying something because you're an enthusiast and just like having the all the new things and buying something because you actually need the power and features. I know there are serious professionals that are members here and comment often, I know there are others who just like jumping on new tech and have the money to do so, and I know there are still others that don't fall for any of the marketing or have any FOMO about anything and just want the things they need and only the things they need.

There's nothing wrong with any one of the three. Honestly, the MacBook Pro I just bought for personal use was not a necessary purchase. The M1 MacBook Air it replaced was more than sufficient for what I do. I'm fortunate enough to be able to buy Apple devices if I think I would enjoy a new feature, even if I don't need everything else. This is not fiscally responsible, nor is it necessary. It's just something I like.
Those are not the type of scenarios I meant by cheapskate. It’s more of the “I’ll get by” or “good enough" situation. I have more than enough instances of being a cheapskate. Some I can recall at the moment:

Photive BTE50 earbuds - They were $30 or so on Amazon. Beyond an occasional connection hiccup, the earbuds were fine for a couple of years. Eventually, one earpiece literally fell apart — which was fixed with superglue. Now, every time I attempt to connect them to a device, I need to do the connection process three times. The earphones state “Connected” and appear as such but evidently not properly.
Acer ED320QR monitor - Saw it on sale for $155 at Walmart last year. Curved, big, though I was iffy buying a FHD display (especially of that size). However, it was primarily to be used with a PC laptop having Intel UHD 630 graphics. So, again, “good enough.” The more sensible approach would have been to pick a 4K monitor I could use going forward with newer systems/setups. That, and the monitor has some very noticeable backlight uniformity issues when displaying solid colors.
• A few routers that were not only the budget/bargain models but also using Wi-Fi tech at the end of its reign — only a couple years of use before constant connection dropouts.

Nevertheless, the point being there are options. Perhaps not the exact you want, but sufficient oand even satisfactory. As the saying goes, “Vote with your wallet,” and provide feedback. Maybe you will eventually be influential, perhaps not. If not, move onto the next set of options.

Same with batteries that can be user replaced without great difficulty. Every laptop I've ever owned I've changed the battery before the end of the third year, and making it increasingly difficult is a horrible thing to do to consumers. After 5 years and 2 battery changes I typically pass my laptops and MacBooks to family members, and they're fine for a young niece or nephew. If I have to waste two hours dismantling the stupid thing and using IPA to dissolve glue and whatnot, I'm more likely just to bin the device. Apple have seen some sense and they're going the right way lately in terms of making batteries replaceable without a nightmare of a job.
Here we go again. The battery being able to be replaced is not good enough, it’s just not good enough because you (the user) can’t do it within a few seconds/minutes without multiple tools. Instead, you will/would pay Apple’s fee for the battery and labor (which you probably think is excessive) and need to wait until the battery health is reported as 79% or less (which is sensible as to not be unreasonably discarding/recycling an acceptably performing battery 😉). Or am I wrong and you’re willing to utilize Apple’s battery replacement service?

With all of that said:

• Do I have gripes about the Apple price premiums? Yes.
• Could Apple without a doubt afford (i.e., still have sufficient profit) to reduce component upgrading by half? I have no doubt.
• Does Apple skew things to their favor and set retail prices targeted at the highest margins? Certainly.
• I intend to purchase all of my future products via official refurb because of the first point.
— Going to be a challenge of patience, but I am willing. For example, due to features, I am looking to upgrade to the iPhone 13 or newer — and Apple only recently starting selling refurb iPhone 12.
 
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For what it's worth, yes, laptop batteries should be easy to replace, when the only reason they might be difficult to replace is because it's been deliberately designed to be too difficult for the average person to do.

Arguing that we could pay simply pay the 10x markup for Apple to do it for us, despite the drive/postal cost/wait etc, is beyond baffling.
 

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For what it's worth, yes, laptop batteries should be easy to replace, when the only reason they might be difficult to replace is because it's been deliberately designed to be too difficult for the average person to do.

Arguing that we could pay simply pay the 10x markup for Apple to do it for us, despite the drive/postal cost/wait etc, is beyond baffling.
Please don't take this as me trying to start an argument, but I think some of your points are misdirected here. The vast, vast majority of computer users really don't want to mess with any of this. Apple took a gamble on this being the case a very long time ago, and I guarantee you that all of their competition was more than willing to let them be the first to see if it was correct before they went down that road themselves.

My feeling is that people are voting with their wallets. The Mac continues to be a very successful platform, despite the fact that you can't tinker with the guts or carry around a spare battery. No product or platform is perfect for everyone, but last I checked, people are still buying Macs like crazy. And I think that's going to accelerate because now they're getting massive amounts of power on a machine that really doesn't even require a spare battery 99% of the time. The price, of course, has been jacked up (probably because of the display), and that's just business. You make the decision there if it's for you or not. If not, keep your money.

At some point, the reasons for things start sounding like "just because it's always been that way". That's not to say I think everyone should just defer to Apple for all their decisions. Clearly things like the TouchBar and the updated MacBook keyboards were negatives for the reputation of the Mac, and I personally know several people who held off buying new MacBooks of ANY kind until they could get the model they wanted without either of those things. But those are things that negatively affected a lot of "normal" users' Mac experience. I doubt a significant amount of those same users also wish they could pop RAM modules or hard drives in and out of their MacBooks.
 

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The vast, vast majority of computer users really don't want to mess with any of this.
Not only for Macs, back when the standard for “decent computer” meant a tower/minitower and slots, there were a LOT of folks that bought those systems but never used any of that capability. Over time, it was clear to manufacturers that they were building features into systems that very few ever used. This became even clearer as “having my computer with me everywhere I go” proved itself to drive more sales than “being upgradable” as sales of upgrade constrained mobile systems overtook the desktop.
 

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OP, you described why I moved from my beloved Macs to Windoze PCs. I just purchased a laptop with these specs for USD$1249:

15" 240Hz 1080 LCD
AMD Ryzen 5 5900HX CPU (8-cores, 16 with HyperThreading -- over 24K on Passmark)
16GB RAM user expandable to 64GB
Nvidia RTX 3070 (8GB, 140W max TDP)
512GB M.2 PCIe v4 removeable SSD with a second slot for another PCIe SSD AND a spot for a 2.5" 7mm tall SATA drive

This computer will be used for video editing, image editing, and games. What drew me to this PC was its user expandability along with price. Amazingly, the computer arrived with no bloatware and the upgrade to Windows 11 was free (which, if you haven't used it, is a very Mac-like experience).

Will I miss out on the wonderful integration of macOS with all my other Apple devices? Yes. Will I miss out on the beautiful retina displays? Yes, but the 240Hz display is soooo buttery smooth. Will I miss having to repurchase my computer because I want to expand RAM or internal storage? Nope.

My PowerMac 7500 -- back in 1995 -- was expandable to an amazing (for its time) 1GB RAM using standard modules, and you could even put in a third-party G3 accelerator card. Update the storage? Sure! Update the CD-ROM? Yep. Apple has lost their game in these areas and I miss it a lot.
 

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Please don't take this as me trying to start an argument, but I think some of your points are misdirected here. The vast, vast majority of computer users really don't want to mess with any of this. Apple took a gamble on this being the case a very long time ago, and I guarantee you that all of their competition was more than willing to let them be the first to see if it was correct before they went down that road themselves.

My feeling is that people are voting with their wallets. The Mac continues to be a very successful platform, despite the fact that you can't tinker with the guts or carry around a spare battery. No product or platform is perfect for everyone, but last I checked, people are still buying Macs like crazy. And I think that's going to accelerate because now they're getting massive amounts of power on a machine that really doesn't even require a spare battery 99% of the time. The price, of course, has been jacked up (probably because of the display), and that's just business. You make the decision there if it's for you or not. If not, keep your money.

At some point, the reasons for things start sounding like "just because it's always been that way". That's not to say I think everyone should just defer to Apple for all their decisions. Clearly things like the TouchBar and the updated MacBook keyboards were negatives for the reputation of the Mac, and I personally know several people who held off buying new MacBooks of ANY kind until they could get the model they wanted without either of those things. But those are things that negatively affected a lot of "normal" users' Mac experience. I doubt a significant amount of those same users also wish they could pop RAM modules or hard drives in and out of their MacBooks.
I still buy Macs even thought it bothers me... so yeah, my dollars still go to Apple, as do most others. It's just disappointing for a small minority of people- I can't argue with that. A phone battery is "easy" for me to change- I'm not expecting a swappable battery like in the old days, but if it can be done in 5 minutes like older Macs and iPhones, that's fine by me. The average person won't do it, but they'll probably have a friend they'll rope in to do it, or pay a shop to do it. MacBooks just got kinda silly for a while, where you'd have to dissect the guts of the machine to get the battery out, but like I said, they've stopped that nonsense now. :)
 
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Regarding RAM- My first ever job had me working as an IT assistant for one of the biggest companies in the world, before I started university, and I spent one week doubling the RAM in every desktop and laptop in the building. I would say it would be good for most businesses to have the facility to update their hardware when necessary- so Apple could make a distinction between Pro and non-pro hardware, and just have removable memory and storage in Pro machines. Companies haven't stopped upgrading their hardware to this day, where they're able, and increased RAM demand met with increased RAM just makes business sense, as opposed to purchasing a whole new fleet of devices (or having to over spec devices in hopes of future proofing).
 

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Companies haven't stopped upgrading their hardware to this day, where they're able, and increased RAM demand met with increased RAM just makes business sense, as opposed to purchasing a whole new fleet of devices (or having to over spec devices in hopes of future proofing).
I believe most have stopped upgrading. In the companies I’ve been in most recently, the masses get a laptop for a number of years (2-5), they have parts to replace if one goes bad, but not upgrade. In two years, they’re assigned a new laptop, and so on and so on. Financially, it’s better for a company to have a contract that works like a hardware subscription… they get access to updated hardware on a known schedule and don’t have to deal with the purchasing headache for their tens and hundreds of thousands of computers every few years.

Modifications to the standard are acceptable with an approval for a variance, but those exceptions number more in the 10’s and 100’s than thousands.
 

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I believe most have stopped upgrading. In the companies I’ve been in most recently, the masses get a laptop for a number of years (2-5), they have parts to replace if one goes bad, but not upgrade. In two years, they’re assigned a new laptop, and so on and so on. Financially, it’s better for a company to have a contract that works like a hardware subscription… they get access to updated hardware on a known schedule and don’t have to deal with the purchasing headache for their tens and hundreds of thousands of computers every few years.

Modifications to the standard are acceptable with an approval for a variance, but those exceptions number more in the 10’s and 100’s than thousands.
I guess you haven't seen the hardware subscription some contracts companies sign. 💀 They're some of the most appallingly poor value contracts I've ever heard of. Unless intentional embezzlement was taking place, I can't grasp the logic of £300 a month contracts to support a laptop that was worth £1,500 6 years ago.

In theory a subscription should be fine, but in the UK it doesn't seem to work out that way. 😅 Better to keep it in house and just fix/replace/update computers than get ripped off spectacularly on a subscription basis.
 
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