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I feel like i'm alone to dislike M1/what is it good for (Merged Mega Thread)
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Still is:*was
It used to be all over Apple's website around the days up to Tiger or Leopard.
Maybe it is now, maybe it isn't.
But anyway, UNIX is dead. There's probably nobody left to certify it
The only derivatives that matter any more are Linux, BSD or MacOS now and they're all diverged, especially macOS and Linux. Maybe Solaris or AIX in enterprise, but definitely not for desktop. The rest are dead.
Largely for the better.
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I say this as a long term (since the 90s) sysadmin of Solaris, Linux, FreeBSD.
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Adobe is famous for using old technology stacks and being very slow to update.
It looks like After Effects was M1 optimized from the 22.4 version. Is it the app that is a problem for you or some plug-ins?
Does After Effects work on Apple Silicon Macs?
Support status of After Effects on Apple Silicon Macs and Apple Silicon(M1/M2) Processors.
isapplesiliconready.com
I'm not sure what information the MacUpdate site provides.
When I check IsAppleSiliconReady they show the AS optimized percentage is up to nearly 70%. It goes up a little every couple of weeks.
Obviously this doesn't help if you have some specific software that gives you problems. To me, Rosetta is not a problem, but when the main app is AS but there are third-party plugins still on Intel, that can cause problems as Rosetta doesn't handle that secondary dependency very well. If that is the case, your best bet is to reach out to the specific software publishers and urge them to get with it.
I don't think I agree that the M1 mini and 13" M1 MacBook Pro weren't adequate to replace developers Intel Macs. Compiling code on my M1 MacBook Air is almost twice as fast as my 2013 Mac Pro in most cases. If a developer was serious about getting their application out on Apple silicon they could have found inexpensive solutions to get it done.
I will agree that the infrastructure was more limited. I had a DTK and it was mostly useless because of bugs and the lack of standard Mac developer tools outside of Xcode. It was better when the original M1 Mac mini, MacBook Pro, and MacBook Air were released but still in no way adequate. It took about 6 months to get most tools in an usable state.
Saying we are 2 years in means that they are counting the DTK generation and as I said, few developers would find it good enough to actually get to the point of releasing software. For getting software updated we are between 12 to 16 months in.
It’s still in preview unless it just came out.
After Effects (Beta) now on Apple Silicon
We are very pleased to announce that a version of After Effects which runs natively on Apple silicon is now available for beta testing. Starting today in build 22.1.1.9, After Effects (Beta) will run natively on Macs that use the Apple M1 family of processors. You are invited to test it out and...
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Rosetta east RAM in my Silicone Mac! I can't wait until that dies on vine next year!I'm not sure what information the MacUpdate site provides.
When I check IsAppleSiliconReady they show the AS optimized percentage is up to nearly 70%. It goes up a little every couple of weeks.
Obviously this doesn't help if you have some specific software that gives you problems. To me, Rosetta is not a problem, but when the main app is AS but there are third-party plugins still on Intel, that can cause problems as Rosetta doesn't handle that secondary dependency very well. If that is the case, your best bet is to reach out to the specific software publishers and urge them to get with it.
Software is often developed in small organizations that don't buy new gadgets just because they exist. They only buy new computers for new employees or when it's time to replace old devices. Maybe there are a few odd computers used for testing, but often only the kinds of computers the developers personally use are really supported.
It was also expected that the MBP 14"/16" would be released in spring 2021. People were not in hurry to buy entry-level consumer models to begin the work a few months earlier. When Apple delayed the release, many developers delayed upgrading their Macs, which caused delays in porting software to Apple Silicon.
I guess it depends also on how much of your revenue comes from selling Mac apps. If it is side project and not a major source of revenue then sure, don't buy new Macs until there is a cost benefit. But if one of your primary products is for the Mac then there really is no excuse.
Do you mean you can't rent a cloud Mac that uses Apple Silicon? I think AWS is just releasing this in preview now:
Amazon EC2 Mac Instances - Amazon Web Services
Amazon EC2 Mac instances are built on Mac mini computers and feature the macOS operating system. Mac instances offer customers an efficient development environment by providing macOS with the benefits of AWS.
There a plenty of hosting options for Intel Macs or course (even by the second on AWS, which uses the 6-core Intel i7 Mac Minis).
That transition was quicker and also much easier as Apple was not one designing the chips. Apple also needs to work with TSMC.
Back then all Apple had to was plop the Intel CPUs in the Macs and presto transition complete. Also keep in mind there was no Pandamic back then and no chip shortage.
I mean you have to pay for at least 24 hours even if you need the Mac only for 15 or 30 minutes. Apple requires that, and it makes cloud Macs expensive unless your demand is very consistent.
No one complains that they can’t update their phone or iPad. My beef is that just specifing 16gb ram makes it BTO and takes ages to arrive.
I am sure that M1 macs will can be made dual boot with arm version of Windows. We have seen in the last week that a new version of Linux can do precisely that. It is only a matter of time. I cannot see the benefit of staying with Intel clearly Apple have better chips and this is just the beginning.
We are still running macs going back to 2008 although I am rolling out an upgrade programme throughout the company. it is going to be a long time before we are going to “need” to upgrade M1 macs. I refuse to use noisy power Hungary virus ridden windows machines in my company. The extra cost of buying a Mac is offset by their longevity and lack of maintenance required.
I am sure that M1 macs will can be made dual boot with arm version of Windows. We have seen in the last week that a new version of Linux can do precisely that. It is only a matter of time. I cannot see the benefit of staying with Intel clearly Apple have better chips and this is just the beginning.
We are still running macs going back to 2008 although I am rolling out an upgrade programme throughout the company. it is going to be a long time before we are going to “need” to upgrade M1 macs. I refuse to use noisy power Hungary virus ridden windows machines in my company. The extra cost of buying a Mac is offset by their longevity and lack of maintenance required.
I checked the pricing info on the Mac instances for AWS and you're right! From the link I posted:
"Billing for EC2 Mac instances is per second with a 24-hour minimum allocation period to comply with the Apple macOS Software License Agreement. Through On Demand, you can launch an EC2 Mac host and be up and running within minutes. At the end of the 24-hour minimum allocation period, the host can be released at any time with no further commitment."
That is pretty sneaky, and I didn't know about this gem from the macOS licensing agreement. This makes macOS on AWS pretty expensive for casual experimentation, unless you want do it all within a 24-hour block :-(
I'm not aware of any minimum periods for other common instance types. Linux and Windows instances are billed per-second.
From https://aws.amazon.com/ec2/pricing/on-demand/:
"Pricing is per instance-hour consumed for each instance, from the time an instance is launched until it is terminated or stopped. Each partial instance-hour consumed will be billed per-second for Linux, Windows, Windows with SQL Enterprise, Windows with SQL Standard, and Windows with SQL Web Instances, and as a full hour for all other instance types."
I swear I’ve seen this argument before when classic guys were complaining about the new OS X! People always seem to scream at change and sometimes others really like push the buttons of regular Mac users! Why do you people always come to tweet use Silicon lovers?
The change from OS 9 to OS X was a huge one for sure. I remember day 1 getting the 10.0.0 installer and marvelling at the new OS, but then heading back to OS 9 as there was very little I could do with OS X and I really needed more RAM to run it even a little bit smoothly. Had to upgrade to a whopping 512 mb of RAM! Change can be tough and people go in kicking and screaming, sometimes it turns out well, but not all the time. I love the new Apple CPU, have an M1 Max and it is amazing, what I don't like and this is the direction Apple has been on for a while is using all their own hardware, no upgradeability by user or even Apple themselves. You have one chance to buy what you need when buying new. I don't think this is good for the consumer, but is great for Apple's pocket book. I don't think it is unreasonable to be able to do a few minor upgrades yourself, as in hard drives and ram.
A few people have said in the past during these discussions, the gripe is ultimately about pricing. Would you (honestly) feel worth mentioning these "problems" if Apple charged, for example: $100 to upgrade to 16GB, $200 to 32GB? (Basically, half of their current CTO prices)
Second, buying a "pre-built" then immediately after receiving it swapping out the RAM/SSDs for higher capacity components (because the cost was overall cheaper) is inefficient and wasteful — because who’s going to want/buy those barebones/minimal components you replaced?
Third, upgrading component by component can be practical for users who constantly push their systems to the limits. However, for most, when a system seems/is no longer effective/usable, there’s better value in replacing the entire thing because those incremental boosts are normally unnoticed, insufficiently valuable.
not everyone who plays pc games are obsessive "serious" gamers. all of my favorite pc games run just fine on my i9 macbook pro.
Lol.
I've been a Solaris, SCO Openserver, Linux, FreeBSD admin (in a commercial setting), and have had to resurrect an enterprise AIX box that couldn't boot (Basically the regular company support was not available, so I figured it out myself on a weekend).
They exist, sure.
They're not mainstream by any stretch and the market is shrinking for anything that isn't Linux or macOS essentially.
The only non-linux/non-macOS customers who run "unix" are existing customers. No one is doing new deployments.
How long do you think the FreeBSD offering will survive?
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I love my M1 MacBook Air, and have had very little in the way of compatibility problems in the last year.
I do however hate the fact Apple solder components, especially the SSD. That's such a ******** move that it should be illegal. I'd happily lose some (theoretical?) performance and have removable RAM too. This is the first device I've ever owned with a soldered SSD, and I'll have to be much much stricter with backups if I don't want to risk losing data.
Edit: That's not even taking into account the pathetic storage Macs come with as standard, that probably isn't even cost effective to buy at this stage compared to only buying 1tb+ drives, but Apple do it because that's how they drive a lot of profit, by forcing people to fork out. £400 extra to get what should be the minimum size drive in 2022? Horrible. Add £200 for an extra 8GB of RAM, to add insult to injury.
I really do prefer macOS to Windows, but I don't hate Windows, and could avoid all the above irritations by buying a Dell.... Maybe next time I will.
I do however hate the fact Apple solder components, especially the SSD. That's such a ******** move that it should be illegal. I'd happily lose some (theoretical?) performance and have removable RAM too. This is the first device I've ever owned with a soldered SSD, and I'll have to be much much stricter with backups if I don't want to risk losing data.
Edit: That's not even taking into account the pathetic storage Macs come with as standard, that probably isn't even cost effective to buy at this stage compared to only buying 1tb+ drives, but Apple do it because that's how they drive a lot of profit, by forcing people to fork out. £400 extra to get what should be the minimum size drive in 2022? Horrible. Add £200 for an extra 8GB of RAM, to add insult to injury.
I really do prefer macOS to Windows, but I don't hate Windows, and could avoid all the above irritations by buying a Dell.... Maybe next time I will.
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today laptop most of them soldered the first ram below the keyboard . The only part if good future laptop is egpu which hardly to find cheap laptop with usb c or usb 4.0 specification (thunderbolt) .I love my M1 MacBook Air, and have had very little in the way of compatibility problems in the last year.
I do however hate the fact Apple solder components, especially the SSD. That's such a ******** move that it should be illegal. I'd happily lose some (theoretical?) performance and have removable RAM too. This is the first device I've ever owned with a soldered SSD, and I'll have to be much much stricter with backups if I don't want to risk losing data.
Edit: That's not even taking into account the pathetic storage Macs come with as standard, that probably isn't even cost effective to buy at this stage compared to only buying 1tb+ drives, but Apple do it because that's how they drive a lot of profit, by forcing people to fork out. £400 extra to get what should be the minimum size drive in 2022? Horrible. Add £200 for an extra 8GB of RAM, to add insult to injury.
I really do prefer macOS to Windows, but I don't hate Windows, and could avoid all the above irritations by buying a Dell.... Maybe next time I will.
Windows laptops also come with 256 standard that are around $999 - $1299.
Not possible with LPDDR5 RAM. You would need normal DDR5 but then you would lose efficiency.
Agree, but I have a 16" 2019 and for 2 years +. I am good and my countries laws protect me if some thing happens to laptop within 5 years. I take backups too.
This laptop will easily last me till 2025-26 and by then I can upgrade and had this to my family members.