sure. and in some ways, every release is a bit better than the last.
my observation makes as much sense as yours (and is equally true).
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I HATE BIG SUR
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my observation makes as much sense as yours (and is equally true).
I was suggesting a reason why there's no contradiction in a person wanting to revert to Catalina when running Big Sur and wanting to revert earlier OS when running Catalina. If there is such a single person, that person is seeing things that are most important to them getting worse with each release.
I can't comment on how much sense you make.
This is what I'm talking about. Rather than just post "I HATE BIG SUR" and not put down why you hate it at least these folks put down why they don't like Big Sur. Much more constructive when you put down your points. I may not agree but then maybe I may agree. Personally, I like Catalina because it seemed more intuitive to use however like all previous OSs, they have a shelf life if you want to continue getting support for them. In my opinion, Apple has shown not to support older tech and to do so goes against their business model of making massive profits.
To me the best desktop that Apple made is still the 5,1 MacPro due to how easy it is to configure this computer to suit your needs... it was priced perfectly and with the right upgrades can still be used today depending on your needs. The problem with older OSs is that eventually you won't be able to use the web browser that comes with them due to technological changes. Look at MacOS Tiger for instance... you can't use the Safari browser that came with Tiger to access the majority of web sites today quickly. In most cases trying to access a web site is painfully slow if it can access them.
Also, Safari used in Tiger is very slow by comparison to Safari used in Catalina... with newer OS you have support and that is why eventually with the hardware I love to use, I may end up turning them all into Linux machines once I can't get a supported MacOS to run on them....
not sure what you're saying here; i quoted your exact post... exactly. then replied. but no harm meant, just thought this can be looked at the other way.
Sorry, I thought you misunderstood the intent of my post. My intention was not to simply offer an opinion. Rather, my intention was to offer an opinion which could serve as an explanation to the poster who said "I'm so confused right now."
But, I get it. Some things get better and some things get worse. And, "better" and "worse" are just subjective. So, if we remove the confused poster from the discussion, we arrive at
Dog: "I like chocolate"
Duck: "I like peanut butter"
Dog: "No comment" - tail wagging while wondering where "sense" and "truth" come into it
Anyway, I always value your contributions even though I get hung up on irrelevant details.
the dog gets it. and we're good; besides, all irrelevant details have relevance...
Bootcamp boots into Windows not MacOS so I am not sure why it matters if the Mac has Big Sur installed. I have Big Sur installed and Bootcamp boots into Windows 10 just fine.
You post this earlier in this thread (see post #11)....
"I hate it too - unreliable, inconvenient, drain my battery (never, but never goes to sleep). I really regret "upgrading" from Catalina. Its the first time in many years that I just hate my Mac (MBP 15" 2018)."
You never stated how your computer was unreliable after installing OS Big Sur. You just posted that OS BS was unreliable. That is an opinion not based on any facts. I'm still waiting to see your facts, not opinion.
You then posted OS BS was inconvenient without listing what made using this OS inconvenient to you. Again an opinion not based on facts.
Then you posted your laptop never goes to sleep when using OS BS. That's funny because I'm not having this problem using BS on any of my laptops (see my sig).
You post drain on your battery. How much of a drain on your battery have you documented/noticed between using Catalina and Big Sur? What are the time comparison you have seen using your laptop on Catalina and Big Sur?
What I am seeing in your comment above is opinion based rather than factual based. So I have to disagree with your last post when you quoted my comment and posted you gave a long list, no you didn't. You provided a short list of your opinion regarding your experience using OS Big Sur.
I'm not saying that Big Sur is awesome as compared to other Mac OS systems but from my experience it isn't terrible either.
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Just made the jump from Mojave to Big Sur in a dual-boot config and the only think I hate the is removal of subpixel aa support, granted this was removed in Mojave but could be turned on via a couple of terminal commands.
I have a Mac mini 2018 /w 32" QHD (1440p) which is a non-retina monitor and there is no good HiDPI mode available or subpixel aa to run native res, so text looks not as good as Mojave (where you needed to use terminal to enable it). I don't know if its coming back in Monterey or not.
Only other issue is the icons look bad. Otherwise I like some of the changes... even more compelling if you have an Arm Mac as well with the iOS app support.
On M1 Big Sur is smooth and fast. It's obvious that Apple is optimising the OS for their ARM chips.
As M1 runs Big Sur like butter just like how snow leopard was.
Monterey has even more features that are more helpful to the end user.
Such as Airplay to Mac, Low power mode for laptops and Universal Control.
UMM. What false arguments!!
On Big Sur MKV works, bootcamp is still supported and many apps now require 11.0.
Legend has it, OP still hates Big Sur and is reverting to Catalina to this day.
People talking about issues with using Big Sur on their Macs and when I upgraded my i7 3.1GHz 13 inch Retina MBP to Monterey, I had nothing but lagging issues and inconsistent running of the OS before it froze so I reinstalled Big Sur on it and no more issues... funny thing is that I also have an i5 2.9GHz 13 inch Retina MBP laptop in which Monterey has been running consistently well. No issues so far using Monterey on that laptop so maybe it's something to do with the i7 processor in my other 13 inch MBP..... I don't know. That is the only issue I have run into but going back on topic... of the laptops I'm currently using that is running Big Sur on, I'm have not experienced any major issues causing me to rethink using this OS and I have been using this since the initial Developer release of this OS.
Has Big Sur sorted out the Mail problems of Catalina? Here’s a list I posted previously...
1. There’s only one typeface for Mail message list view and it’s Helvetica, which a great typeface, but does not work for list view. It can not be changed, despite what Apple claim.
2. In Mail's column layout view, the columns cannot be moved, nor altered. Don’t want to see inbox info? Tough, you’re stuck with it. Want to see how many attachments a message has? (and nowadays most have one as a logo). Again, hard luck, you can’t. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251577490
3. Sort by size in Mail works, but no longer shows the size of the attachment to emails.
4. The slide-to-delete/mark as unread feature in Mail isn’t sticky enough, meaning it’s easy to trigger inadvertently. This feature isn’t needed in Mac OS anyway.
5. In non-column view, it’s not possible to see the contents of the message (the way it works on iPad and the way Apple advertise Catalina). This could be a hardware compatibility problem, but Apple don’t mention it.
1. There’s only one typeface for Mail message list view and it’s Helvetica, which a great typeface, but does not work for list view. It can not be changed, despite what Apple claim.
2. In Mail's column layout view, the columns cannot be moved, nor altered. Don’t want to see inbox info? Tough, you’re stuck with it. Want to see how many attachments a message has? (and nowadays most have one as a logo). Again, hard luck, you can’t. https://discussions.apple.com/thread/251577490
3. Sort by size in Mail works, but no longer shows the size of the attachment to emails.
4. The slide-to-delete/mark as unread feature in Mail isn’t sticky enough, meaning it’s easy to trigger inadvertently. This feature isn’t needed in Mac OS anyway.
5. In non-column view, it’s not possible to see the contents of the message (the way it works on iPad and the way Apple advertise Catalina). This could be a hardware compatibility problem, but Apple don’t mention it.
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I don't have Catalina at hand to remind myself how Mail worked and what you're talking about with respect to features. But...
In column layout view, I can move and alter the columns. I can also see the number of attachments a message has. Also, I can hide all my inboxes with a simple click of the "Mailboxes" button in the Favorites Bar.
I don't know what you're saying in point 1 and 5. Can you supply links to those places where Apple made such claims about Catalina?
These are my observations, not Apple claims. Maybe it’s my hardware (27-inch 5k iMac, late 2014) but I can’t get any of the features listed 1-5 – and neither could anyone at Apple Support after several long phone calls and Remote Desktop-ing into my iMac. The single typeface for Mail message list is particularly galling (see link to relevant forum in my previous post). Get Catalina running on one of your Macs and have another look – we can find out why my machine has these limitations I’d be delighted.
I’ve been using Apple since system 3.2, and this is the first OS update that’s really peed me off.
OK
So, it looks like Big Sur addressed some of your concerns with mail: moving columns, seeing the number of attachments, and hiding the inboxes. Get Big Sur running on one of your Macs and have a look.
I have no machine available which I can revert to Catalina to run your tests.
Big Sur has been much better and faster for me on my machines than Catalina even unsupported ones. I guess YMMV.
I have encountered another feature which is an obstacle for me. It used to be that modal dialogs (things like the save dialog) could be moved around so that you can review the window underneath before you proceed with the action of the dialog. Now, modal dialogs take over the window itself; the window is greyed out and the modal dialog has a fixed position centered on the window. I do find myself cancelling model dialogs because I need to see the content they block.
Definitely not a show stopper. But, definitely one of the handful of things which makes me prefer Catalina to Big Sur.
Definitely not a show stopper. But, definitely one of the handful of things which makes me prefer Catalina to Big Sur.
I 100% agree with this.
It is totally obvious that Apple is focussed on M and not Intel [and it is not a surprise really].
I will cease using my intel MBP16 as a mac once the new MBP's are released, and just keep it as a windows machine. All the attention will be on the M's and everything will be optimised for those, whilst the intel machines will languish.