Planned obsolescence. That's how Apple force consumers to "upgrade" their hardware that is otherwise still good to use.
I have one maxed out 2019 imac i never use anymore (only because the MBP is portable and goes with me everywhere) but I refuse to sell it off because it can still run Mojave. …so it still runs Parallels & windows prograns, still runs 32bit apps, still runs bootycamp perfectly, works with old imaging hardware and new machining hardware, runs fast & smooth, and presents no kernel panics or headaches over audio devices or port limitations whatsoever, and can run B.S. on a high speed external when needed. It’s the nicest, most reliable computer I’ve ever owned. …instead I use my MBP limited to catalina/big sewer and curse it every couple hours. If only I didnt hate sitting indoors & at a desk so much.
Agree, Mojave is quite solid OS. It slept very well on my mbp. I still got battery drains on Catalina during sleep. It’s intermittent, some times it work, the other times doesn’t work. I tried BS few months ago and happily downgraded back to Catalina after evaluating few months (too bad mba 2020 can not install Mojave).
Not had much if any issue on 12" Intel MacBook or 13" M1 MBP. That said I very much agree Apple Silicon is the future for the company. Intel Mac's will be supported, equally one can easily presuppose that they wont be the priority for Apple.
I love Big Sur, its GREAT! By Mess, you mean it is fast and works well? thought so
Well, it is possible that os behaves differently on different machines. I suppose that you don’t have the T2 component on your devices. This component keeps my mac awake regardless of the settings in the preferences. The inconvenience is related to the terrible UI design which half the forum here wine about. One example of how unreliable the os is concern the mentioned battery drain. Another is related to the fact that reminders aren’t sync between iCloud and the os, or in fact sync after a few hours. There are many other examples related to the fact that apple is becoming sloppy.You post this earlier in this thread (see post #11)....
"I hate it too - unreliable, inconvenient, drain my battery (never, but never goes to sleep). I really regret "upgrading" from Catalina. Its the first time in many years that I just hate my Mac (MBP 15" 2018)."
You never stated how your computer was unreliable after installing OS Big Sur. You just posted that OS BS was unreliable. That is an opinion not based on any facts. I'm still waiting to see your facts, not opinion.
You then posted OS BS was inconvenient without listing what made using this OS inconvenient to you. Again an opinion not based on facts.
Then you posted your laptop never goes to sleep when using OS BS. That's funny because I'm not having this problem using BS on any of my laptops (see my sig).
You post drain on your battery. How much of a drain on your battery have you documented/noticed between using Catalina and Big Sur? What are the time comparison you have seen using your laptop on Catalina and Big Sur?
What I am seeing in your comment above is opinion based rather than factual based. So I have to disagree with your last post when you quoted my comment and posted you gave a long list, no you didn't. You provided a short list of your opinion regarding your experience using OS Big Sur.
I'm not saying that Big Sur is awesome as compared to other Mac OS systems but from my experience it isn't terrible either.
I see that you encountered a case where two machines behave differently to the same os, meaning that while BS might behave okay on your machine it can sucks on other people machines. So don’t rush to judge other people comments on the basis of your limited experience. in my case, the Mac behaves so bad that it’s the first time I’m considering a switch to windows.
OS 11 and OS 12 are not the same OS. I'm running OS 11 Big Sur on my i7 3.1GHz 13 inch MBP and OS 12 Monterey on my 2.9GHz i5 13 inch MBP. Again you are twisting what I posted. When I installed Monterey on my i7 13 inch MBP there were issues in running that OS so I reverted back to OS 11 Big Sur which this thread is all about. From my experience I have not had issues running Big Sur and posted issues running OS 12. As Apple pushes towards their in house processors their future OS will no longer be compatible with Intel-based computers. The writing is on the wall so to speak.
You are correct. It can be this component that may be a cause of issues with people having computers with this component. I have no experience with Macs using the latest components and to be frank, I have no interest in getting anything from Apple beyond 2015. You mention several good points in this post. No arguments here and I actually am in agreement
You wrote explicitly that you installed Monterey on two computers (1) i7 3.1GHz 13 inch Retina MBP and (2) i5 2.9GHz 13 inch Retina MBP. On the first you had lots of problems and you had to downgrade to BS and on the other it worked nicely. I didn't twist what you wrote, just mentioned that you used the same OS and got two very different behaviors on two different machines. Just to teach you that post Jobs Apple is a sloppy company that is more into PC-WOKE stuff than technology.
You are correct. It can be this component that may be a cause of issues with people having computers with this component. I have no experience with Macs using the latest components and to be frank, I have no interest in getting anything from Apple beyond 2015. You mention several good points in this post. No arguments here and I actually am in agreement
I have attached a screen shot showing your battery status from your post and then my battery status with my laptop strictly running off it's battery and I find it strange that your computer is not working right and mine has. I realize not everyone has the same OS experience as shown here...
Yes I did install Monterey on both my i7 and i5 13-inch MBP laptops and reverted back to OS11 Big Sur on my i7 laptop because for some reason I was not getting the expected performance from running that OS on that machine. Once I reverted back to Big Sur all was well again. Since this thread is focused on Big Sur, all I am saying is that my experience has been great. No issues running this OS on any of my machines.
I've found that Big Sur has been much faster than Catalina ever was, not saying that Big Sur is super fast as it's not like Mojave was. I deal with large MKV's every day on my 2015 15" Pro and for the laptop's age, it runs perfectly well.
