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I ordered a Seagate t-bolt connector.
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SO both of us have 240gb ssds with sandforce controllers. I think the mush kin is using the 2281 controller.
Lack of another TB port is a deal breaker for me and other. Most of us who use a second monitor don't have the $$$$ for a thunderbolt one so our monitors have to be on the last part of the chain so this won't work.
I've given up on Thunderbold till Windoze machines get it. Forget about it and get an internal SSD or several if your have a Pro or mini.
I've given up on Thunderbold till Windoze machines get it. Forget about it and get an internal SSD or several if your have a Pro or mini.
After reading problems with Samsung 830 512Gb version should I rather return Samy 830 256Gb and get Mushkin Chronos over the Samsung?
I just got Samsung 830 256Gb for good deal $285, but I see Mushkin can go for less than $240, even though it's slightly in lower size 256Gb vs 240Gb.
And what about Intel 520? I have been very happy with all Intel's X25-M I have in other machines...
TIA
It certainly looks like going with one of the 240gb SSD's with a 2200 series Sandforce controller to pair up with the Seagate is a pretty safe bet.
Frank
The big 600gb intel series 320 has been good along with the samsung series 470/810 256gb (one of my favorite ssds of all time.) the crucial m4 128gb was also good. i don't haave an intel 510 to test
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can anybody confirm zero compatibility issues for Samsung 830 256gb and STB adaptor? Assuming all Sammy's 830 series are using same controller so if 512gb has a problems I guess 256gb should be in the same boat. Or am I missing something?
I would like to know before my 14d for return kicks in..
TIA
can anybody confirm zero compatibility issues for Samsung 830 256gb and STB adaptor? Assuming all Sammy's 830 series are using same controller so if 512gb has a problems I guess 256gb should be in the same boat. Or am I missing something?
I would like to know before my 14d for return kicks in..
TIA
Im still waiting for my Samsung 830 256GB and adapter to arrive but my understanding from following this thread is that the 256GB version should work without issues.
The problem with the 512GB isn't just the controller, bigger drives just draw more power, reviews for the 256GB show a relatively normal/low power draw while the reviews for the 512GB points to it drawing more than other 512GB drives (and much more than the 256GB ofc).
I have the 256GB Samsung 830 Series SSD in a Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Pro enclosure with no issues. The 512GB Samsung 830 Series SSD also in a Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex Pro enclosure does not have reliable performance when connected to the Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter. I experience disconnects, read and write failures when using this adapter and SSD drives larger than 480GB. Sandforce 2200 series drives also fail in a similar manner. I am also experiencing similar issues with the 1TB Seagate FreeAgent GoFlex drive, although far less frequent.
I'm not sure its purely a power related issue. It appears to be related to the I/O as well. Daisy chaining the 512GB Samsung 830 Series SSD through a LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk greatly improves the stability. However, benchmark results show the LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk reduces the performance of the drive. I believe all the current crop of Thunderbolt SATA adapters and enclosures are not ready for SATA III 6.0Gbps. This is why LaCie and Elgato are both using SATA II drives. As philipma has demonstrated, there are no issues with any SATA II SSDs. Its very similar to the problems people have with SATA III drives in their 2011 MBP Optibay conversions or the original issue with SATA III SSDs period in the 2011 15" and 17" models. These issues even led people to foil wrap their cables.
I'm not sure its purely a power related issue. It appears to be related to the I/O as well. Daisy chaining the 512GB Samsung 830 Series SSD through a LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk greatly improves the stability. However, benchmark results show the LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk reduces the performance of the drive. I believe all the current crop of Thunderbolt SATA adapters and enclosures are not ready for SATA III 6.0Gbps. This is why LaCie and Elgato are both using SATA II drives. As philipma has demonstrated, there are no issues with any SATA II SSDs. Its very similar to the problems people have with SATA III drives in their 2011 MBP Optibay conversions or the original issue with SATA III SSDs period in the 2011 15" and 17" models. These issues even led people to foil wrap their cables.
Seagate to soon release the 3.5 inch model around 200 bucks.
it will allow daisy chaining has its own power. links;
http://www.provantage.com/seagate-stae122~7SEG904H.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-GoFlex-Thunderbolt-Adapter-STAE122/dp/B007IJ7UKE/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_1
good photos on amazon.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-GoF...s=63&clkid=7500118862797125802#ht_1575wt_1281
here is an ebayer looking for a score. I do not know if i want to pay him 299 or a best offer.
With is own power supply and two ports this may be decent. If someone finds a link on the seagate site please post.
it will allow daisy chaining has its own power. links;
http://www.provantage.com/seagate-stae122~7SEG904H.htm
http://www.amazon.com/Seagate-GoFlex-Thunderbolt-Adapter-STAE122/dp/B007IJ7UKE/ref=pd_rhf_se_p_t_1
good photos on amazon.
http://www.ebay.com/itm/Seagate-GoF...s=63&clkid=7500118862797125802#ht_1575wt_1281
here is an ebayer looking for a score. I do not know if i want to pay him 299 or a best offer.
With is own power supply and two ports this may be decent. If someone finds a link on the seagate site please post.
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philipma1957 - If you want a Seagate GoFlex Desk Thunderbolt Adapter, I can send you one without the need to over pay. It's $215.42 with tax here in Texas. Let me know.
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So I think I found the reason that the Samsung 830 512GB doesn't do well in the Seagate Thunderbolt Adapter, non-desktop version.
Anandtech did a review of the newly released Vertex 4 and I noticed in the graph that the Samsung 830 512GB had some MASSIVE power consumption. The Samsung 830 256GB also had some MASSIVE power draw as well as times.
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So I think I found the reason that the Samsung 830 512GB doesn't do well in the Seagate Thunderbolt Adapter, non-desktop version.
Anandtech did a review of the newly released Vertex 4 and I noticed in the graph that the Samsung 830 512GB had some MASSIVE power consumption. The Samsung 830 256GB also had some MASSIVE power draw as well as times.
philipma1957 - If you want a Seagate GoFlex Desk Thunderbolt Adapter, I can send you one without the need to over pay. It's $215.42 with tax here in Texas. Let me know.
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So I think I found the reason that the Samsung 830 512GB doesn't do well in the Seagate Thunderbolt Adapter, non-desktop version.
Anandtech did a review of the newly released Vertex 4 and I noticed in the graph that the Samsung 830 512GB had some MASSIVE power consumption. The Samsung 830 256GB also had some MASSIVE power draw as well as times.
yeah I managed to get the samsung 512gb ssd to spike from a 10 watt draw to a 15 watt draw.
the setup was kill- a- watt meter to the lacie little big disk watt wart.
then mac mini/ lacie /seagate
this pulled 10 watts when I wrote a big file to the seagate it would spike to 15 watts. when this happened the drive did not disconnect since the power hit was against the lacie wall wart not the mini's internal psu/t-bolt port.
When the hook up was mac mini/ to seagate writing the same large file caused the minis power use to spike from 30 watts to 36 watts and the ssd dropped connection. Only happened with large writes to the 512gb samsung and not to the smaller ssds.
I am going to pass on the seagate purchase for now. I am waiting to sell some minis on ebay.
I randomly came across this adapter at my local Apple store. I already have an SSD I installed internally in my iMac. The original 1TB drive is eating dust right now. Thinking I may undo what I did and put the 1TB back in. Either that or get a TB cable and get another 240GB SSD drive.
Haven't really read through the thread very thoroughly yet, but has there been a sure fire way to install JUST Windows 7 on an external thunderbolt SSD? Via imaging techniques?
Haven't really read through the thread very thoroughly yet, but has there been a sure fire way to install JUST Windows 7 on an external thunderbolt SSD? Via imaging techniques?
It appears you can install a very clean bootcamp image (i.e. no AHCI hack which is very important to realize SSD performance in Windows 7) on Thunderbolt using full disk clone or moving the drive from the internal bay into the Thunderbolt enclosure / adapter. You must delete the existing bootcamp partition before restarting after the clone. The bootcamp drivers including the Thunderbolt drivers must be installed. You can not clone a drive from a Mac with a different graphics card.
Nice! I've been wanting to run Windows 7 from a Thunderbolt SSD for a while now. Is there a link to detailed steps on what to use (e.g. what cloning program). I currently have Windows 7 and Mac OS X on separate partitions.
What's this about AHCI hacks? Is having no AHCI hack the way to go to get good SSD performance?
Whatever I get it'll need to be able to be used in a chain as I currently use the Thunderbolt port for connecting a monitor.
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The AHCI hack enables AHCI mode for Windows 7, which brings a host of advanced features that take advantage of modern high performance drives and greatly improves the SSD performance in random, queued and small read/writes. The only operation that does not benefit much from AHCI is sequential read/write. AHCI also enables TRIM.
The Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter will not work for your needs because it does not have two Thunderbolt ports and must be at the end of the chain. The desktop version will work. Other options are LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk, LaCie Thunderbolt eSATA adapter and the WD Thunderbolt MyBook. You could gut a 1TB LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk.
The AHCI hack enables AHCI mode for Windows 7, which brings a host of advanced features that take advantage of modern high performance drives and greatly improves the SSD performance in random, queued and small read/writes. The only operation that does not benefit much from AHCI is sequential read/write. AHCI also enables TRIM.
The Seagate Thunderbolt GoFlex 2.5" adapter will not work for your needs because it does not have two Thunderbolt ports and must be at the end of the chain. The desktop version will work. Other options are LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk, LaCie Thunderbolt eSATA adapter and the WD Thunderbolt MyBook. You could gut a 1TB LaCie Thunderbolt Little Big Disk.
This week I picked up a few 3TB Seagate GoFlex USB 3.0 drives from Amazon for $150 each. Today, I just picked up this Thunderbolt adapter (STAE122) at Fry's and popped on the 3TB drive. Apart from me plugging in the Thunderbolt cable backwards (yes, it does fit either way in the back of my iMac 27
), once corrected the drive mounted but could not format until I installed a driver from the included 1GB USB thumb drive. Anyone know why I need a special driver for >2TB drives?It comes with it's own AC adapter (12V/3A), and as others said, dual Thunderbolt ports.
In any case, after rebooting, drive came up, formatted exFAT 3TB and ran BlackMagic speed test. Got about 180Mb/s read and write. Not bad.
Currently copying about 700GB of data from internal 1TB drive to this Seagate drive.
I also wanted the other Seagate Thunderbolt adapter (the mini one for 2.5" drives, STA121) but the local Fry's didn't have one. Another Fry's about 40 miles north does, so I'll go pick it up Monday. Fry's prices, btw, are list price, and not the inflated prices some retailers are charging for these.
Cheap Thunderbolt. Finally!
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Seagate IS selling them direct now at http://www.seagate.com/www/en-us/thunderbolt. I was hesitant at first to buy direct from them as they didn't give a delivery date but I did and I will have mine tomorrow! So excited!!!
I have been using the Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter with an OCZ Vertex 3 120GB SATA III SSD for the last five weeks with perfect performance...
... until yesterday.
I booted my iMac. And, instead of my handful of startup apps loading in a matter of a few seconds, my cursor turned into a spinning beachball for a couple of minutes. Then, I was given the image below which signifies a kernel panic:
I erased the SSD, reinstalled 10.7, restored from Time Machine, and the problem was still there. I have read about some problems with the Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter in the last few weeks. But I felt fortunate that my set up was running perfectly.
I am under the impression that the Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter needs a little bit of work by Seagate to get it right.
Fortunately, I was still in my retailer's return window. I called them yesterday, they sent me an RMA label, and I returned the Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter.
For now, I am using the SSD mounted on the GoFlex Desk FireWire 800 adapter. It is working fine, and I expect there to be no problems. The SSD with FireWire 800 is not as fast as it is with the Thunderbolt adapter, but it is still noticeably faster than booting from my iMac's internal 7200 RPM HD.
I thought that I should post my results for anyone checking this thread so that my results may be kept in mind.
... until yesterday.
I booted my iMac. And, instead of my handful of startup apps loading in a matter of a few seconds, my cursor turned into a spinning beachball for a couple of minutes. Then, I was given the image below which signifies a kernel panic:
I erased the SSD, reinstalled 10.7, restored from Time Machine, and the problem was still there. I have read about some problems with the Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter in the last few weeks. But I felt fortunate that my set up was running perfectly.
I am under the impression that the Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter needs a little bit of work by Seagate to get it right.
Fortunately, I was still in my retailer's return window. I called them yesterday, they sent me an RMA label, and I returned the Seagate GoFlex Thunderbolt adapter.
For now, I am using the SSD mounted on the GoFlex Desk FireWire 800 adapter. It is working fine, and I expect there to be no problems. The SSD with FireWire 800 is not as fast as it is with the Thunderbolt adapter, but it is still noticeably faster than booting from my iMac's internal 7200 RPM HD.
I thought that I should post my results for anyone checking this thread so that my results may be kept in mind.
This is an interesting piece of info. How hot did your adapter get from time to time.
I wonder if it is an over heating issue?
I did not check it regularly. But, when I did, it felt warm, but not too hot.
Keep in mind that yesterday's problem occurred immediately after booting after not having used the Mac for about twelve hours.
as i recall they had come with the latest firmware of course that was 30 days ago so the firmware may have been upgraded since my posts. i did check them and they had the same firmware and it was up to date. i have a third one on order I will check it when it comes in.
The 240gb mushkin looks like a safe bet. Newegg has it for $228 now, very good $/gb. Any updates with this drive related to instability using it with the goflex adapter?
I believe I have seen one strange occurrence (non responsiveness after wake from sleep) in the month and a half I have been using the GoFlex with the Corsair 240GT SSD. I just chalked it up to strange behavior. It may very well be weirdness with the adapter, but I can definitely say I only saw that behavior once. I'm not sure if it specifically had anything to do with the adapter or perhaps an anomoly related to never fully waking from sleep, etc. BTW I have a 2011 iMac 27.
If I get more weirdness, I can always go back to FireWire setup as well. For now, I'm happy. I may grab the 3.5 inch Seagate setup when it is released to check t out.
Frank