I played with the Note 8, and now the iphone looks blah

[I7guy]

LOL!

The 1st problem is that the Pencil needs to be charged, while the SPen draws power wirelessly from the device it's being used with very efficiently. No need to worry about battery life with the SPen or even pairing it, I can immediately use any SPen be it my Note 4 or Note8 one on either device.

That entire article is about drawing and doodling

The SPen is used for more than just drawing on a Galaxy Note, it can extract Text and other elements from every single thing you Display on the screen, Hover over a link or Image to Expand or get a preview, used to Magnify areas of the display without messing around with anything, it can also help translate Words and entire paragraphs, and all with a very good amount of accuracy.

Seriously, the Apple Pencil actually seems cumbersome in that review, it requires you to charge it from the device making the whole thing look ridiculous, and doesn't have a proper area to sit once you are done with it, like WTF it reminds me of the Stylus pens on older devices like the Samsung Omnia 900 .

In other words the spen is just a dumb stylus; got it.

 

[Tsepz]

In other words the spen is just a dumb stylus; got it.

Lol, in that case the Apple Pencil is even worse

 

[jamezr]

LOL!

The 1st problem is that the Pencil needs to be charged, while the SPen draws power wirelessly from the device it's being used with very efficiently. No need to worry about battery life with the SPen or even pairing it, I can immediately use any SPen be it my Note 4 or Note8 one on either device.

you have to charge the Pencil....

that ^^^^ leads to this....

 

[Tsepz]

you have to charge the Pencil....

that ^^^^ leads to this....

LOL!
The stupidity in design came long before the Notch it seems.

They seriously couldn't get a better way to allow that thing to get power? Not even a magnetised area somewhere on that huge iPad Pro where you can rest the "Pencil" and let it charge wirelessly!? Oh Apple

That article above had me chuckling at how they talk about the "Pencil's" battery life, when the SPen is always ready to go for as long as the device is going.

 

[I7guy]

Lol, in that case the Apple Pencil is even worse

Show me some award winning artwork anybody has done on the spen. I’ll wait patiently. And as the poster above me has demonstrated the Apple Pencil has at least one ingenious charging solution at least it can’t be inserted backwards rendered the device broken. You guys should leave the green bubble occasionally.

 

[Tsepz]

Show me some award winning artwork anybody has done on the spen. I’ll wait patiently. And as the poster above me has demonstrated the Apple Pencil has at least one ingenious charging solution at least it can’t be inserted backwards rendered the device broken. You guys should leave the green bubble occasionally.

why would I care about artwork? I am not an artist, I need my device to be a diverse tool, not just a glorified drawing board. Thanks for confirming the Pencil's limited capabilities though!

Ingenious charging solution!? It should not even need to be charged dude!

 

[jamezr]

why would I care about artwork? I am not an artist, I need my device to be a diverse tool, not just a glorified drawing board. Thanks for confirming the Pencil's limited capabilities though!

Ingenious charging solution!? It should not even need to be charged dude!

oh...alternative charging solutions....
for the discerning "artist"

 

[Tsepz]

oh...alternative charging solutions....
for the discerning "artist"

LOL Oh my goodness!

How to make both your peripherals useless without breaking them.

Seriously, Steve Jobs (R.I.P) must be turning in his grave, this is hilarious!

 

[I7guy]

why would I care about artwork? I am not an artist, I need my device to be a diverse tool, not just a glorified drawing board. Thanks for confirming the Pencil's limited capabilities though!

Ingenious charging solution!? It should not even need to be charged dude!

Lol, why would I care about extracting text? I like drawing and doodling. See it goes both ways. But thanks for confirming the spens limited capabilities. At least the Apple Pencil can’t be inserted the wrong way; since that’s the current meme.

 

[Tsepz]

Lol, why would I care about extracting text? I like drawing and doodling. See it goes both ways. But thanks for confirming the spens limited capabilities. At least the Apple Pencil can’t be inserted the wrong way; since that’s the current meme.

Lol, the SPen can be used for drawing and doodling
It does what the "Pencil" does and then more.

I can doodle, extract text, translate, magnify, glance etc etc etc... No limited capabilities here buddy sorry!

I can't insert the SPen the wrong way either.

Good grief your are reaching buddy

 

[widgeteer]

Wow. Arguments about styluses now, eh.
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Lol, the Note didn't have to outsell anything when OEMs started building large screened devices like it.

The Note actually didn’t have anything to do with that. OEM’s started building larger screen devices as consumer demand rose due to improvements in broadband. Once streaming video became possible, people began using their phones to watch media. The carriers pushed for larger screen devices as well because more streaming =more money.

The Note has always been a niche device. Niche devices don’t start massive trends. If all these large screen devices were trying to ape the “success”of the Note, where are all the styluses? Are you seriously arguing that every OEM started copying the Note by leaving out the one defining feature that sets the Note apart? Please tell me that’s not really your argument.

 

[I7guy]

Lol, the SPen can be used for drawing and doodling
It does what the "Pencil" does and then more.

I can doodle, extract text, translate, magnify, glance etc etc etc... No limited capabilities here buddy sorry!

I can't insert the SPen the wrong way either.

Good grief your are reaching buddy

Exactly what the Apple Pencil can do except better. Thanks for confirming buddy. Anyway if one has to use a lot of lols and emojis in their post there isn’t much of
a point to be made.

 

[Tsepz]

Exactly what the Apple Pencil can do except better. Thanks for confirming buddy. Anyway if one has to use a lot of lols and emojis in their post there isn’t much of
a point to be made.

Indeed, the SPen does them equally if not better, and it's more convenient to carry.
Is the Apple Pencil water resistant by any chance?

I could use endless LOLs and emojis bud, fact is the Apple Pencil is a cumbersome thing that is limited in its function and inconvenient carry.

 

[convergent]

The iPhone X is not a competitor to the Note 8.

It’s a competitor to the S8.

Not sure how this glaring reality could be missed.

Right, this is one I keep shaking my head out. Everyone wants to compare the Note 8 with the X and other than both being smartphones, they aren't similar. The Note 8 is always going to be more of a niche device because it has some special features that not everyone would want. And even though they have similar prices, that just points out how over priced the X is. Because Apple has basically starved the Apple faithful for a new design for so long, they could probably charge $1500 and still sell out on the X. But I think they are saving that for the X+ in another year.

 

[convergent]

Exactly what the Apple Pencil can do except better. Thanks for confirming buddy. Anyway if one has to use a lot of lols and emojis in their post there isn’t much of
a point to be made.

I guess you win the internet today, buddy!

You started this back and forth with a comparison of a tablet and its pen/pencil/stylus with a phone and its pen/pencil/stylus? You are comparing two completely different product categories. If you want to compare an artist's tablet, then compare the right Samsung product - Galaxy Book with its EMR based pen. Go on TabletPCReview and talk to them about what artists prefer. You'll find a fair number there that do this stuff for a living that prefer the Samsung device for art, specifically because of its pen and availability of software. You will find ZERO that use a phone to do their art work.

If Apple is stupid enough to enable the existing Apple Pencil on an iPhone, then we can talk about it... otherwise its a silly comparison. Who is going to carry around the Apple Pencil, loose in their pocket, and whip it out to use with an iPhone. Oh wait, this is an Apple forum so if Apple proposed such a preposterous idea, people would buy it up... so never mind.

 

[I7guy]

I guess you win the internet today, buddy!

You started this back and forth with a comparison of a tablet and its pen/pencil/stylus with a phone and its pen/pencil/stylus? You are comparing two completely different product categories. If you want to compare an artist's tablet, then compare the right Samsung product - Galaxy Book with its EMR based pen. Go on TabletPCReview and talk to them about what artists prefer. You'll find a fair number there that do this stuff for a living that prefer the Samsung device for art, specifically because of its pen and availability of software. You will find ZERO that use a phone to do their art work.

If Apple is stupid enough to enable the existing Apple Pencil on an iPhone, then we can talk about it... otherwise its a silly comparison. Who is going to carry around the Apple Pencil, loose in their pocket, and whip it out to use with an iPhone. Oh wait, this is an Apple forum so if Apple proposed such a preposterous idea, people would buy it up... so never mind.

Hey buddy, with this post you won back the Internet. Good job!

The “back and forth” as you out is is appropriate in the context of the thread. That the spen is discussed and Apple has said it is looking into integrating Apple Pencil functionality in a future iphone is entirely appropriate. I didn’t start with idiotic pejorative uninformed remarks.

And how people will use an Apple Pencil with an iPhone or how they will carry an Apple Pencil is irrelevant to the conversation.

 

[convergent]

Hey buddy, with this post you won back the Internet. Good job!

The “back and forth” as you out is is appropriate in the context of the thread. That the spen is discussed and Apple has said it is looking into integrating Apple Pencil functionality in a future iphone is entirely appropriate. I didn’t start with idiotic pejorative uninformed remarks.

And how people will use an Apple Pencil with an iPhone or how they will carry an Apple Pencil is irrelevant to the conversation.

Right... I'm sure the use case of an artist doing their work on a phone sized device will be on the top of the list for aspiring artists.

Having both a pen based phone and a pen based full function computer (neither of which exist in the Apple products available), there is tremendous value in having a pen on my phone. It has nothing to do with art. But if I was an artist, possibly being able to do a quick idea sketch might be of some value. But I'm not going to use it the way I would a much larger tablet, and the pen's function on the phone is more of convenience so it being very small is important.

If you want to use inappropriate use cases to compare, I will say that an iPad Pro doesn't fit neatly in my pocket and is inconvenient to make phone calls as my argument that the Note 8 is better.

Also, I may be mistaken but I don't believe Apple has ever said they were working on a pencil for iPhone. Some consultant speculated about it. I would be quite surprised if they did given their bashing of everyone else for doing it, and resistance to the technology on a Macbook which would be a much bigger market than the Note 8's which is somewhat of a niche.

 

[widgeteer]

I would be quite surprised if they did given their bashing of everyone else for doing it,

This is incorrect, and constantly misquoted. When he introduced the original iPhone, Jobs took a shot at using a stylus as the main means to interact with a phone's screen. At the time many devices were using resistive touch software, which made styluses necessary. Jobs's point, and everyone...EVERYONE agreed with him as it turned out...was that the human finger is the best "stylus" for interacting with a phone's screen.

That's all. Apple has never made "bashing" styluses their thing. The Apple Pencil wasn't an about face on this as its usage on the iPad is not similar to what a stylus was used for back in the day.

 

[jamezr]

This is incorrect, and constantly misquoted. When he introduced the original iPhone, Jobs took a shot at using a stylus as the main means to interact with a phone's screen. At the time many devices were using resistive touch software, which made styluses necessary. Jobs's point, and everyone...EVERYONE agreed with him as it turned out...was that the human finger is the best "stylus" for interacting with a phone's screen.

That's all. Apple has never made "bashing" styluses their thing. The Apple Pencil wasn't an about face on this as its usage on the iPad is not similar to what a stylus was used for back in the day.

true about the display tech at the time. But SJ also had harsh words for the stylus as a whole...so he did bash the stylus.

CEO Steve Jobs, who famously said in 2007 at the initial iPhone reveal, "Who wants a stylus? You have to get em', put em' away. You lose them. Yuck."

https://www.theverge.com/2015/9/9/9298117/apple-pencil-stylus-ipad-pro-steve-jobs

 

[widgeteer]

true about the display tech at the time. But SJ also had harsh words for the stylus as a whole...so he did bash the stylus.



https://www.theverge.com/2015/9/9/9298117/apple-pencil-stylus-ipad-pro-steve-jobs

Right, I said he took a shot at it and it was exactly in the context that I stated. What's the point?

 

[jamezr]

Right, I said he took a shot at it and it was exactly in the context that I stated. What's the point?

The point was obvious.....he did bash the stylus after you said he didn't...did you miss that?
Why make this a big deal? SJ said a bunch of things that later Apple reversed itself on...stylus is just one of those things.

 

[convergent]

This is incorrect, and constantly misquoted. When he introduced the original iPhone, Jobs took a shot at using a stylus as the main means to interact with a phone's screen. At the time many devices were using resistive touch software, which made styluses necessary. Jobs's point, and everyone...EVERYONE agreed with him as it turned out...was that the human finger is the best "stylus" for interacting with a phone's screen.

That's all. Apple has never made "bashing" styluses their thing. The Apple Pencil wasn't an about face on this as its usage on the iPad is not similar to what a stylus was used for back in the day.

Except that he was wrong about the stylus being the "main" means of interacting with smartphones at that time, and he was also wrong about the physical keyboard not being useful. But that was then, and this is now. Samsung has evolved what can be done with a pen on a phone. Microsoft has evolved what can be done with a pen on a PC. Apple has set on the sidelines in both cases. As I said, I'll be surprised if they move on either platform. If they do, then it would be great and might draw me back. If they do, I seriously doubt it will be the Apple Pencil for the same reasons that Samsung doesn't include their full tablet pen (EMR and very good) with the Note 8.

 

[widgeteer]

The point was obvious.....he did bash the stylus after you said he didn't...did you miss that?
Why make this a big deal? SJ said a bunch of things that later Apple reversed itself on...stylus is just one of those things.

You must have missed this...

When he introduced the original iPhone, Jobs took a shot at using a stylus

They didn't reverse themselves on the stylus. You fundamentally don't understand what the Apple pencil is if you're comparing it to a stylus.

 

[convergent]

They didn't reverse themselves on the stylus. You fundamentally don't understand what the Apple pencil is if you're comparing it to a stylus.

And you don't understand what the S-Pen is if you compared it to the Apple Pencil.

 

[widgeteer]

Except that he was wrong about the stylus being the "main" means of interacting with smartphones at that time, and he was also wrong about the physical keyboard not being useful.

Sure. As we see by the swath of keyboard devices available now. Funny, I remember the first couple of iterations of the iPhone, the tech bloggers would lament that it "still" didn't offer a physical keyboard. Whoops!

But that was then, and this is now. Samsung has evolved what can be done with a pen on a phone. Microsoft has evolved what can be done with a pen on a PC. Apple has set on the sidelines in both cases. As I said, I'll be surprised if they move on either platform. If they do, then it would be great and might draw me back. If they do, I seriously doubt it will be the Apple Pencil for the same reasons that Samsung doesn't include their full tablet pen (EMR and very good) with the Note 8.

Most hybrid laptop/tablet combos are a disaster. They're usually pretty mediocre as either device. The technology for using pens with screens has improved greatly, but I don't think the use cases have. They're still extraordinarily niche in their popularity and usage.
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And you don't understand what the S-Pen is if you compared it to the Apple Pencil.

I guess it's a good thing I didn't then.