Up to you if you agree, but it was the 1st Phablet to truly sell in large numbers. Yes it's niche, but it still outsells most of its mass market Android competitors.
https://www.androidauthority.com/influential-smartphones-time-575268/
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I played with the Note 8, and now the iphone looks blah
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Up to you if you agree, but it was the 1st Phablet to truly sell in large numbers. Yes it's niche, but it still outsells most of its mass market Android competitors.
https://www.androidauthority.com/influential-smartphones-time-575268/
Samsung has dominated the Android market forever. That's not news. None of this changes why screens got bigger. It wasn't due to the Note. It was due to broadband.
I'll ask again: where are all the styluses if the Note was the trend setter? Or would you like to duck this question for a second time?
Whoops? Typing on an onscreen keyboard sucks on every platform I've ever used one. Apple's move away from it and knee jerk reaction from its competitors effectively killed further progress on physical keyboards. It doesn't change the fact that physical keyboards are better. Imagine how thin and how good they'd be if development hadn't halted. You are welcome to your opinion... I've given you mine.
Funny that what you call a disaster is the only part of the PC market that is growing. But OK. I use one daily and would never want to go back.
Oh, except that you did. This thread is talking about the Note 8 compared to iPhones. You brought in using the iPad Pro with Apple Pencil to show how it was better than an S-Pen on a Note 8. Um... how did you not compare the S-Pen and Apple Pencil when you did that? Or are you in the habit of posting random comments in threads that have nothing to do with what is being talked about?
no I think I got it...you missed the context and conversation as whole. Read the thread post a few posts back
I think you got a little defensive about it all.
I'm not defensive about any of this. I don't post here for validation. I'm pretty content with what I choose to buy.
I respect this is Your use case and does not speak for the masses. Personally I never found a stylus useful as I can do whatever I need to without one. That’s my use case and I don’t zoeak for anyone other than myself.
same here...then I don't base my buying decision on a stylus or not a stylus.....I don't overgeneralize either....
I have a lot of different phones to round out a variety of use cases and experiences.
Yes, and I don't agree with it. Onscreen keyboard typing is inherently superior to physical keys in so many ways it's not even close. I knew this from day one on the original iPhone. There isn't a single Blackberry keyboard I've ever used that comes close to the Google keyboard in terms of speed and accuracy, for instance. Apple's competitors had no choice but to move away from physical keyboards. They're as ancient as an antenna sticking out of phone.
It's growing because PC OEMs are defaulting towards it but I don't know that it's due to popularity. Windows isn't fantastic as a touch OS, which is why Apple hasn't committed to this yet. OS X would suffer the same if it were shoehorned into a touch interface.
Of course I didn't. Please quote the comment in which I insist using an Apple pencil is better than using an Spen?
As for your last question, you'll have to ask yourself. It's your strawman.
Yes, Samsung dominated, but even with the introduction of LTE most phones sat at around the 4.3-4.5inch area. You can't just attribute it to Broadband either.
WRT stylus, No, the SPen is not the Notes main feature, it is a big feature but not the main feature, the main thing with every Note device is the large Display high Resolution display, even this year with the S8+ Samsung ensured the Note had a larger display despite it being only 0.1inch larger, it is larger.
WRT competitors, other than Apple how many of these other companies have the resources to delve into creating a Stylus friendly custom UI? Samsungs closest rival, LG does make the LG Stylus and Stylo devices.
Sony also tried their best with the even larger Xperia Z Ultra, see image to jog your memory, a phone that was able to work with an sort of stylus/pen,
https://www.google.co.za/amp/s/www.androidauthority.com/sony-xperia-z-ultra-stylus-235062/amp/
Those who have tried have simply not matched the SPen, and even Apple's own Pencil pales in functionality to the SPen.
So if you don't see a need for a stylus, then why did you start a comparison of Apple Pencil to S-Pen? "My" use case for the Note 8, I don't think is unique. Its certainly way more common than someone that would try to use it for production of art. No pun intended, but its apples and oranges. The most common things I use S-Pen for are OneNote, and the built in AOD Note taking app. Neither of those can I do at all on any iPhone. OneNote is a pretty widely used tool.
Sure I can, because that's what happened. Phone screens got bigger and bigger as streaming got better. The progression in size is in relation to widespread LTE rollout.
Liking something a lot isn't really a good argument for why something happened.
No you can't.
Broadband is a part of it but not the only part of it. Here in the African continent people buy Android 7inch tablets to use as phones, there was a similar trend in India and a number of other countries where broadband was still not at its best.
You can't just attribute it to 1 thing
By your theory, people should actually be lining up for LTE Tablets, which are often cheaper than phablets.
I'm not going to argue with you about keyboards. We have differing opinions.
I don't think that companies move toward something and see growth in sales if they aren't popular. They can't make someone buy something they don't want. Windows is more "fantastic" as a touch OS than MacOS. And each year it is getting better and better.
Your post...
I said you started the comparison, I never said you "insist its better", but however you want to interpret "capabilities are way more". And they are... on a tablet. The Note 8 isn't a tablet. Samsung makes a tablet and pen that competes with the iPad Pro... its not the Note 8.
Would you like to duck the question a 2nd time? Show me the quote in which I state the Apple pencil is better than the Spen?
(You know, you could also just admit you misread and were wrong. I know it's the internet and saying "I was wrong" results in reduction of Internet Cred Points but still...)
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No you can't.
Broadband is a part of it but not the only part of it. Here in the African continent people buy Android 7inch tablets to use as phones, there was a similar trend in India and a number of other countries where broadband was still not at its best.
You can't just attribute it to 1 thing
By your theory, people should actually be lining up for LTE Tablets, which are often cheaper than phablets.
Incorrect. Phones are easy to carry in a pocket, even large ones. That doesn't translate to tablets.
Terrible comparison.
This all has been covered.
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I don’t need a stylus but an Apple Pencil essentially does what the stylus does with the ability to interact with the screen in a much finer way. I did say I would like to doodle (or maybe you might have missed that). If I really want to take notes with my mbpro I can type 100 wpm not limited by a stylus. I mean if I’m going to do something I don’t do it crippled.
The Apple pencil can't do the same things as an s-pen, not even essentially.
That's a simple fact.
Silo storage?
No need to manually charge?
Translate?
Lock screen memo?
Simple note taking on phone?
It's not in the same league except for drawing.
That's a simple fact.
Silo storage?
No need to manually charge?
Translate?
Lock screen memo?
Simple note taking on phone?
It's not in the same league except for drawing.
Because the Apple pencil and the Spen are two different products with different purposes. It's like saying pepper will never taste like salt.
Valid comparison no matter how you feel about it. Plenty of people were buying 7inch tablets at lower price points.
Fact of the matter is the Galaxy Note series were popular enough to lead us to phablets becoming main stream, even before LTE was widely available.
Heck most countries received LTE Galaxy Notes with the Note5, before that there was a variation between LTE Snapdragon and 3.5G Exynos.
"I don’t need a stylus but an Apple Pencil essentially does what the stylus does with the ability to interact with the screen in a much finer way."
Why don't you correct i7guy then?
What's the title of this thread and what is the topic about?
My favourite one was Apples idea of the perfect sized smartphone, oh how wrong they were LOL
I respond to whatever I want, I'm not a referee.
And I didn't derail the topic. Simply took part in the conversation as it exists.
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To use as a daily driver in their pockets same as a smartphone? No they weren't.
How can it have led to phablets being mainstream when it was a niche device?
If you look at the evolution of screen size averages through the years, you'll see a direct correlation between the availability of broadband with growing screen sizes.
Sorry, you'll have to come up with a better argument than "I really really like the Note."
Topic is note vs iPhone. Person brought up spen and I said Apple rumor is Apple looking to integrate Apple pencil in iPhone. Then the nonsense started. Sounds like it’s on topic and following the conversation.
See what you started! You might as well have lit a match and threw it in a bucket of gasoline.
If you started this, then I have to apologize for widgeteer for saying they did.
Of course anything can be compared. But you are comparing a more robust device... the Apple Pencil... which was designed for a tablet. Samsung makes a competing pen, that they sell with the Galaxy Book. Either of these would be terrible on a phone, because they are way to big; and you would likely never use a phone to do the kinds of things they were designed to do on tablets. The S-pen works well because its the one you have with you all the time... much like the camera in your smartphone is with you and does the job vs. hauling around a DSLR all the time.
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But you also said:
"I don’t need a stylus but an Apple Pencil essentially does what the stylus does with the ability to interact with the screen in a much finer way."
Which just isn't even remotely true, not one bit.
I'm not saying you are derailing this thread because, let's be honest here, what thread doesn't become derailed here?
But, was responding to widgeteer's reply to me about my reply to you, which should have been obvious that the comparison was being made between the Apple pen and the S-pen from the Note, hence the title of the topic.
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Oh well in that case, I think Malibu Stacey is more advanced than Barbie, but you know, it's just our opinion.......
But you also said:
"I don’t need a stylus but an Apple Pencil essentially does what the stylus does with the ability to interact with the screen in a much finer way."
Which just isn't even remotely true, not one bit.
I'm not saying you are derailing this thread because, let's be honest here, what thread doesn't become derailed here?
But, was responding to widgeteer's reply to me about my reply to you, which should have been obvious that the comparison was being made between the Apple pen and the S-pen from the Note, hence the title of the topic.
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Oh well in that case, I think Malibu Stacey is more advanced than Barbie, but you know, it's just our opinion.......
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yeah and ipad sizes too....there is a lot of defensive people in this thread....