I played with the Note 8, and now the iphone looks blah

[Tsepz]

yeah and ipad sizes too....there is a lot of defensive people in this thread....

LOL! I remember when 3.5inch displays were said to be all we needed, and then came Samsung with the Galaxy Note.

 

[Radon87000]

LOL! I remember when 3.5inch displays were said to be all we needed, and then came Samsung with the Galaxy Note.

Remember OLED displays are inferior and iPhone LCD displays are superior. Burn in and all that crap. Where are all those members at?

 

[Tsepz]

Remember OLED displays are inferior and iPhone LCD displays are superior. Burn in and all that crap. Where are all those members are?

They are here trying to defend everything Apple back paddled on, and where they can't defend Apple they don't want to give credit to other phone manufacturers.

It's the age old iFan tradition of reality distortion fields and moving the yardstick

 

[I7guy]

Remember OLED displays are inferior and iPhone LCD displays are superior. Burn in and all that crap. Where are all those members at?

Those members are complaining on the macrumors front page, just like I predicted many months ago. I’m sticking with LCD.

While the other side of the fence is just doing what they do best.

 

[KingslayerG5]

Note7 looked and felt more premium than the Note8. It's like Samsung went back to glossy plastic frames this year. I only like the silver iPhone X because the space gray banding looks like any other Android smartphone.

Silver iPhone X is the most premium-looking smartphone of this year.

 

[Klyster]

In theory if Apple enables Apple Pencil on the iPhone X+ the same capabilities can be had on a smaller surface. Never bet against Apple.
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Whatever your opinion about the artwork or the Apple Pencil or the spen for that matter, an acclaimed artist used the Apple Pencil for the illustration on the cover of a major magazine. but you are corrected the Apple Pencil isn’t in the same league as the spen; its above it. But all this is basically all opinion anyway.

How about an explanation on how the Apple pencil is above the spen, point by point.
If you are going to make assertions, how about an explanation that doesn't involve lazy links to current supposed releases on this site.
I'll explain again why I think the s-pen is better,

It works on tablet and phone.

It is deeply integrated into both devices.

You can use it as an input device on both phone and tablet.

It is included with both Note phone and tablet.
It has a storage silo.

It can charge passively.

It can be used to select text and translate.

You can use it to sign documents, this is especially handy on a phone as you'll have the device with you at any time.

You can take quick notes on a locked screen which autosave.

Obviously, you can use it for art on both devices, I've seen no evidence for the s-pen or the Apple pencil being able to better each other with regards to final results, it depends on the app used and mostly comes down to the ability of the artist. (Bearing in mind, being an acclaimed artist doesn't mean you aren't incapable of pumping out a below average piece)

You can use the Note 8 as an input device for a Windows computer, older notes too apparently.

It uses a Wacom technology.

It can be used to take sceengrabs.

It can be used to make animated gifs.

You can pull up the air command menu from the pens built in button, it also auto opens when the pen is pulled from it's silo.

The phone will alert you if the pen is missing, meaning you are less likely to loose it. Less of a plus on the Samsung as the Apple pencil is more expensive, typical of an apple product.

You can use the s-pen as a magnifying glass.

You can use the s-pen to create a live message.

The note taking capabilities are well underrated (hence it being called a note)
Excerpt from tomsguide:
"While the Note 8 and S Pen also work with Microsoft’s One Note and other apps, the stylus is well integrated into the built-in Samsung Notes app.
In addition to the choice between using the S Pen or keypad to capture your innermost thoughts, Notes lets you draw, work on an image or even save voice notes.
Start by tapping the Notes icon in the Samsung Apps folder and then picking the type of note you want.
If you like, go ahead and give the note a name, but you can do that later."

And that's not everything.

Now what does the Apple pencil do now, as it is currently sold, that makes it better than an s-pen? Seriously. (I'm not actually expecting insightful reply from you i7guy, there's no argument really aside from stubborn insistence and subterfuge..)

 

[I7guy]

Now what does the Apple pencil do now, as it is currently sold, that makes it better than an s-pen? Seriously. (I'm not actually expecting insightful reply from you i7guy, there's no argument really aside from stubborn insistence and subterfuge..)

Most of what you mention is not really spen capabilities but more application support, which doesn’t make the spen better. The Apple pencil l can do a lot of what you mentioned, if you went into an Apple store and tried it you would see. What makes anything better is how well it fits your use case; which is my point about being an artist, graphics designer etc that uses the Apple Pencil to create their designs because it’s the best tool for that job.

I’m going to ignore the comment about subterfuge and stubborn insistence because that is applicable across the board.

 

[Klyster]

Okay, let's simplify this,
Apart from drawing, what of the above can the Apple pencil do?

"Most of what you mention is not really spen capabilities but more application support, which doesn’t make the spen better. "

That is classic subterfuge.

 

[jamesrick80]

In theory if Apple enables Apple Pencil on the iPhone X+ the same capabilities can be had on a smaller surface. Never bet against Apple.
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Whatever your opinion about the artwork or the Apple Pencil or the spen for that matter, an acclaimed artist used the Apple Pencil for the illustration on the cover of a major magazine. but you are corrected the Apple Pencil isn’t in the same league as the spen; its above it. But all this is basically all opinion anyway.

Not true...the s pen with palm rejection on the Galaxy book 12 inch is superior to the Apple pencil and even Lisa a tech reviewer on youtube prefers it.......that wacom technology has less issues......

 

[ImBuz]

Went to a Samsung store yesterday. Tested the Samsung Note 8 for over 2 hours and was grilling the sales people there about what it can do and showing me how to do things, in the process.

Two words: Mind Blown.

This device is so feature packed it's not even funny. I had a Note 3 for 6 weeks, 4 years ago, and sold it to a friend because of too many issues. None of these issues were evident in the Note 8. This device is absolutely mint. It is the closest smartphone you will find to a personal computer and it fits right in your pocket.

Looks and feels very premium, unlike my old Note 3 which came with a removable plastic back.
Easy to hold in one hand.
The camera is ridiculously good.
My favourite feature, the screen, a Samsung employee showed me a video in landscape, holy crap it looked 3D, as if you were there seeing it for real, cinematic effect he called it.
The multitasking, unreal.
The calculator has a built in currency converter.
The customisation, it is insane what you can do when compared to ios.
The floating windows.
The S-Pen, you can literally use it as a mouse.
The local filing system, the Samsung guy used the pen to create an MS spreadsheet and saved it direct to his Note, can do the same with MSW and MSPP.
The camera has a floating button for goodness sakes lol, where you can position the camera button anywhere you want on the screen, for more convenience.
And so much, much, much more.
It was buttery smooth, and like an iphone, it just worked.

Then I went up the escalator to the Apple store to try out the iPhone 8 Plus. After a minute I was like blah. Then I tried the 10.5 inch iPad Pro, after 2 minutes I was like blah. I used the Apple Pencil to draw and that was cool, but I was doing the same thing on the Note 8. Sure the ipad has a bigger screen but I'm not into drawing so the ipad didn't blow any wind up my skirt.

I was with my cousin who has also been an iphone user for 8 years, and she said "I am damaged now". In other words, after playing with the Note 8, she can't look at another iphone.

For those of you who like me have been iphone users for the longest time and are not excited by the X or the 8, or if you are intrigued by the Note 8, do yourself a favour and test it out in the store.

As for me, after everything I said above, I have decided not to get the Note 8. But I'm not getting the X or iPhone 8 either. Instead, I am going to hold onto my iphone 6 Plus until next year, and then I'm getting the Note 9. The 2 things that scared me away from the Note 8 in the end were the touch ID button being at the back and only 64 gigs of local storage. It does have expandable storage but you cannot store apps on an SD card. With a screen like that and with 6 gigs of ram, I fully intend to take advantage of app intensive games and apps, but they take up a lot of room. So I prefer more local storage.

The guy in the store said Samsung is working on a bendable/flexible screen for the Note 9. I don't know how that will work, especially with the glass back, but knowing how quickly Samsung moves, I anticipate that the Note 9 will come with touch ID under the display and more local storage. And if it turns out that neither happens, the Note 9 will still be significantly better than the Note 8 anyway so I intend to go with it.

The only thing that will stop me getting the Note 9 is if the 2018 iphone iteration also comes with features that blow me away. But I'm not holding my breath. I expect the 2018 X iteration will come in a Plus model which will be the killer feature for 2018 (wow), a better chip and camera, more anamojis, and a couple of other features which will be totally useless (ala 3D touch) in the whole scheme of things. Thanks but no thanks.

Bring on the Note 9.

Easy Peasy then for you--Don't buy an Apple iPhone

 

[DestinyWonder]

Do you have verified evidence that everything you said is factually correct?

Use google and research.
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Of course he doesn't. First, best is going to be different for different purposes. Second it is opinion.

These guys have completely succeeded in derailing this thread with comparing a tablet to a phone.

It wasn't opinion. Research it yourself.

 

[torana355]

Use google and research.
[doublepost=1510790861][/doublepost]

It wasn't opinion. Research it yourself.

You are the one making the claims, i'm not going to research a product i have no intention on buying. Until you provide evidence i take your post with a grain of salt. A quick google search tells me the Spen can do alot more, with the Apple pencil having a very slight edge for drawing which is to be expected as its the Pencils only use.

 

[woozor1]

A lot of arguing about the Apple Pencil and the spen in which I have both. I don’t think you can compare them tbh as one is a useful item the s pen due to its multiple features that work well with the note8. And the Apple Pencil’s only useful feature is to create art. Sure you can write take notes but that feels terrible and is not an enjoyable experience writing on the screen with the Pencil. It’s way more satisfying taking notes with the s pen in that case due to feel of it on the screen.

personally if your not that good at drawing/painting or it’s something you really want to learn I don’t see the point of owning the Pencil at all.

Where as you don’t need to be a good artist to get good use out of a spen there are plenty of other things it can do that can satisfy a casual user.

 

[DestinyWonder]

You are the one making the claims, i'm not going to research a product i have no intention on buying. Until you provide evidence i take your post with a grain of salt. A quick google search tells me the Spen can do alot more, with the Apple pencil having a very slight edge for drawing which is to be expected as its the Pencils only use.

I did all the research myself yesterday before I even posted that and saw it all. So, making up claims? NO. That would be you. Sorry, the SPEN doesn't touch the Apple Pencil when you actually look it up. For one, the Apple Pencil requires ZERO pressure, while the Note or Samsung S-Pen period requires pressure. That is one of the biggest differences. Also, the angle the apple pencil you can change and it changes the writing. You can't do that with the s-pen.
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A lot of arguing about the Apple Pencil and the spen in which I have both. I don’t think you can compare them tbh as one is a useful item the s pen due to its multiple features that work well with the note8. And the Apple Pencil’s only useful feature is to create art. Sure you can write take notes but that feels terrible and is not an enjoyable experience writing on the screen with the Pencil. It’s way more satisfying taking notes with the s pen in that case due to feel of it on the screen.

personally if your not that good at drawing/painting or it’s something you really want to learn I don’t see the point of owning the Pencil at all.

Where as you don’t need to be a good artist to get good use out of a spen there are plenty of other things it can do that can satisfy a casual user.

I go to conferences, and use my Apple Pencil all the time to take notes in OneNote. It works great. Saying it's only for drawing makes me laugh. Doesn't feel terrible at all to me. I can actually write on it better than my Note 8.

 

[mib1800]

I did all the research myself yesterday before I even posted that and saw it all. So, making up claims? NO. That would be you. Sorry, the SPEN doesn't touch the Apple Pencil when you actually look it up. For one, the Apple Pencil requires ZERO pressure, while the Note or Samsung S-Pen period requires pressure. That is one of the biggest differences. Also, the angle the apple pencil you can change and it changes the writing. You can't do that with the s-pen.
[doublepost=1510792357][/doublepost]

I go to conferences, and use my Apple Pencil all the time to take notes in OneNote. It works great. Saying it's only for drawing makes me laugh. Doesn't feel terrible at all to me. I can actually write on it better than my Note 8.

Easy then. Since you have done your research why don't share links/source so we can all benefit (with further readings) from them. Instead of you asking someone to repeat your effort.

 

[torana355]

the SPEN doesn't touch the Apple Pencil

Once again this is your opinion only. Feel free to post some solid facts otherwise it's just that, an opinion. Like i said i did a quick google search and i got a very different result saying the Spen is very close to the Apple Pencil even when it comes to drawing. Not to mention a link someone posted a little while back of some of the awesome artwork created with the Spen which is more then on par with the Apple pencil example in this thread.

 

[anonymous4a]

Note 8 is too long, not wide enough and not worth it over the S8+

Note 8 is wider than the s8+ .

 

[Tsepz]

Since when does the SPen require anymore pressure than what your fingers on the display? Gosh, iFans.

 

[Tsepz]

How about an explanation on how the Apple pencil is above the spen, point by point.
If you are going to make assertions, how about an explanation that doesn't involve lazy links to current supposed releases on this site.
I'll explain again why I think the s-pen is better,

It works on tablet and phone.

It is deeply integrated into both devices.

You can use it as an input device on both phone and tablet.

It is included with both Note phone and tablet.
It has a storage silo.

It can charge passively.

It can be used to select text and translate.

You can use it to sign documents, this is especially handy on a phone as you'll have the device with you at any time.

You can take quick notes on a locked screen which autosave.

Obviously, you can use it for art on both devices, I've seen no evidence for the s-pen or the Apple pencil being able to better each other with regards to final results, it depends on the app used and mostly comes down to the ability of the artist. (Bearing in mind, being an acclaimed artist doesn't mean you aren't incapable of pumping out a below average piece)

You can use the Note 8 as an input device for a Windows computer, older notes too apparently.

It uses a Wacom technology.

It can be used to take sceengrabs.

It can be used to make animated gifs.

You can pull up the air command menu from the pens built in button, it also auto opens when the pen is pulled from it's silo.

The phone will alert you if the pen is missing, meaning you are less likely to loose it. Less of a plus on the Samsung as the Apple pencil is more expensive, typical of an apple product.

You can use the s-pen as a magnifying glass.

You can use the s-pen to create a live message.

The note taking capabilities are well underrated (hence it being called a note)
Excerpt from tomsguide:
"While the Note 8 and S Pen also work with Microsoft’s One Note and other apps, the stylus is well integrated into the built-in Samsung Notes app.
In addition to the choice between using the S Pen or keypad to capture your innermost thoughts, Notes lets you draw, work on an image or even save voice notes.
Start by tapping the Notes icon in the Samsung Apps folder and then picking the type of note you want.
If you like, go ahead and give the note a name, but you can do that later."

And that's not everything.

Now what does the Apple pencil do now, as it is currently sold, that makes it better than an s-pen? Seriously. (I'm not actually expecting insightful reply from you i7guy, there's no argument really aside from stubborn insistence and subterfuge..)

All it can do is what i7guy is sticking to and that's drawing along with Note taking.

He forgets that not everyone is an artist, and most of us just want a peripheral that can add functionality which is what the SPen does.

The SPen is to the Note series what a Mouse is to a Laptop, sure you can use the touchpad, but the mouse makes the usage even more precise, and the best part? When you are done with the SPen you tuck it back in its slot and you are done.

The fact that the SPen does not even need to be charged, alone, makes it years ahead of the Apple Pencil. Some day Apple will implement the same power technology the SPen has into the Apple Pencil, and these same iFans will praise it as if it's something new

For now, we can sit back and be entertained by them defending the Apple Pencil's limited functionality by using some artist who drew something for a publication.

I don't know about you, but I use my Smartphones to be productive, sure I can draw, but that's a small part of what makes the SPen fortunately.

 

[Klyster]

I use my note primarily as a personal device apart from ODBII via Bluetooth and camera for work.
My stylus use is mostly note taking and dimensional sketches, I'm no visual artist by any means.

I use note on lock screen heaps, not having to unlock the phone is brilliant, people have no idea how handy it is, I can't think of any other device that lets you do this, let alone offer an alternative.

The thing is, I'm not saying the Apple pencil is bad in any way, it's just the s-pen trump's it at pretty much everything.
People say the Apple pencil is better for art but I'm not seeing the results of that, only anecdotal evidence and no one here takes anecdotal evidence as gospel, no one.
The one thing the Apple pencil has over the s-pen is the size and the ease of use that comes with using a stylus that big, but there is a larger s-pen and there's a staedtler version for the note, which also has passive charging and feels like a real pencil.

https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/m...noris--digital-samsung-pencil-gp-u999eripaab/

I don't really care if Apple implement a pencil, I'm not using any i-devices any time soon.

Those saying the Apple pencil is better just can't seem to justify what better means.

 

[Radon87000]

I use my note primarily as a personal device apart from ODBII via Bluetooth and camera for work.
My stylus use is mostly note taking and dimensional sketches, I'm no visual artist by any means.

I use note on lock screen heaps, not having to unlock the phone is brilliant, people have no idea how handy it is, I can't think of any other device that lets you do this, let alone offer an alternative.

The thing is, I'm not saying the Apple pencil is bad in any way, it's just the s-pen trump's it at pretty much everything.
People say the Apple pencil is better for art but I'm not seeing the results of that, only anecdotal evidence and no one here takes anecdotal evidence as gospel, no one.
The one thing the Apple pencil has over the s-pen is the size and the ease of use that comes with using a stylus that big, but there is a larger s-pen and there's a staedtler version for the note, which also has passive charging and feels like a real pencil.

https://www.samsung.com/us/mobile/m...noris--digital-samsung-pencil-gp-u999eripaab/

I don't really care if Apple implement a pencil, I'm not using any i-devices any time soon.

Those saying the Apple pencil is better just can't seem to justify what better means.

It's just Apple playing catch up with Android like with oled. But for Apple fans, it's not invented until Apple invents it.

 

[Deeds500]

Easy Peasy then for you--Don't buy an Apple iPhone

And i haven't.

 

[Klyster]

It's just Apple playing catch up with Android like with oled. But for Apple fans, it's not invented until Apple invents it.

Yeah it does seem that way unfortunately.

But it's tit for tat imo, any Android vendor wishes they had Apple's fan base, they are mostly all guilty of mimicry to some degree.
Android/Vendor fans can be just as bad.
Some skins are unashamedly IOS inspired,
some of the Chinese vendors don't even try to not look like IOS.
Samsung try to be Apple-esq in so many ways.
Apple wait until they think they have an existing feature nailed and then release it as something "magical" and different, the Apple fans lap it up and do half of their marketing for Apple.

I don't care about all that stuff though, it's never going to change, it's rinse and repeat.

I don't care who had what feature first, I care about the feature that works best for me.
When people say "na na is better", and you know damned well it isnt, then I'm going to argue about it until the cows come home because I know there's no compelling argument.
When all you get is feigned indignation or evasion or personal digs or some wild tangent into something unrelated, you know the argument/debate is done and dusted.

 

[I7guy]

It's just Apple playing catch up with Android like with oled. But for Apple fans, it's not invented until Apple invents it.

The way I look at, we can tit for tat all day long. But go buy what you want for your own reasons. No justification needed. Spend your money on your own choice and that is best. Subjectively.

As the guy above you said this na-na-na stuff is not usually started by the “ Apple people”. And personal digs don’t fly around here.

Ps: when spen gets the cover of a major magazine call me. Rinse and repeat. These threads are usually end with the same ending in the script.

 

[Radon87000]

The way I look at, we can tit for tat all day long. But go buy what you want for your own reasons. No justification needed. Spend your money on your own choice and that is best. Subjectively.

As the guy above you said this na-na-na stuff is not usually started by the “ Apple people”. And personal digs don’t fly around here.

Ps: when spen gets the cover of a major magazine call me. Rinse and repeat. These threads are usually end with the same ending in the script.

I am not buying the Note 8. However I am not an artist. The S Pen has features which I actually use in my work flow. The Apple Pencil doesn't so I don't really care how many magazines it gets into. In my workflow its utility is equivalent to a $10 UniBall Pencil in my drawer. It's why I have Apple's flagship iPad but didn't bother to buy the Pencil. In my workflow it's useless. Apple Pencil needs to gain more flexibility outside narrow use cases. For those who are not artists it's an inferior solution.