I played with the Note 8, and now the iphone looks blah

[I7guy]

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But you also said:

"I don’t need a stylus but an Apple Pencil essentially does what the stylus does with the ability to interact with the screen in a much finer way."

Which just isn't even remotely true, not one bit.

I'm not saying you are derailing this thread because, let's be honest here, what thread doesn't become derailed here?
But, was responding to widgeteer's reply to me about my reply to you, which should have been obvious that the comparison was being made between the Apple pen and the S-pen from the Note, hence the title of the topic.
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Oh well in that case, I think Malibu Stacey is more advanced than Barbie, but you know, it's just thier opinion.......

Well actually what was said about the Apple pencil is true every bit.
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See what you started! You might as well have lit a match and threw it in a bucket of gasoline.

If you started this, then I have to apologize for widgeteer for saying they did.

Of course anything can be compared. But you are comparing a more robust device... the Apple Pencil... which was designed for a tablet. Samsung makes a competing pen, that they sell with the Galaxy Book. Either of these would be terrible on a phone, because they are way to big; and you would likely never use a phone to do the kinds of things they were designed to do on tablets. The S-pen works well because its the one you have with you all the time... much like the camera in your smartphone is with you and does the job vs. hauling around a DSLR all the time.

Ah, i place the blame squarely on....doesn’t matter does it.

I only brought up the pencil iPhone integration because the op brought up the spen. I can see people carrying it around.

As far as smartphone vs dslr, that topic has been beaten. But you’re correct; a potentially lousy picture is better than none at all.

 

[woozor1]

no way people are gonna carry an apple pencil round with there iphone lol The pencil is bigger than the phone. I dont see apple implementing the pencil anytime soon. They havent even got split screen yet on the plus lets start with that first.........."patiently waiting"........

 

[convergent]

Well actually what was said about the Apple pencil is true every bit.
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Ah, i place the blame squarely on....doesn’t matter does it.

I only brought up the pencil iPhone integration because the op brought up the spen. I can see people carrying it around.

As far as smartphone vs dslr, that topic has been beaten. But you’re correct; a potentially lousy picture is better than none at all.

Seriously.. if Apple were to do something like the Pencil on an iPhone, I would hope that they would approach it the way they have done other things. They would not simply make the Pencil work on the iPhone, they would come up with a Pencil Mini or something along those lines, that worked for the iPhone. I can see the video introduction now. They'd have a little golf scorecard pencil laying on the table, and an iPhone X Pro laying behind it.

Personally I don't see it happening. The only competitor that has a stylus is the Note 8, and their sales as a share of smartphones is a rounding error. I love the Note 8, but it is a seriously "niche" product. Why would Apple even want to go into such a small market?

 

[Klyster]

Well actually what was said about the Apple pencil is true every bit.

So the Apple pencil can take notes on an iPhone now?
Can be used to translate text on an iPhone?
Can be used to screen capture and make gifs on an iPhone?
Has a silo to be stored in?
Can be passively charged?
Can take notes on a locked screen?

Really?
As far as I'm aware, it only works on an iPad and a specific type of iPad.
It's not really in the same league in the least.

 

[convergent]

(You know, you could also just admit you misread and were wrong. I know it's the internet and saying "I was wrong" results in reduction of Internet Cred Points but still...)

See what you started! You might as well have lit a match and threw it in a bucket of gasoline.

If you started this, then I have to apologize to widgeteer for saying they did.

Just to close things out.... I was wrong. Too much coffee I guess.

 

[KingslayerG5]

I find the Samsungs this year have a cheaper feeling than last year's. The frame on the S8 and Note8 feels plastic. That's why I stopped liking the space gray X. Looks like any other Android phone.

Silver X looks and feels way more premium. After checking it out again at Best Buy just 30 min ago, it actually isn't has hefty as I once thought but that glass back does feel sticky which I don't like.

Control Center is also tough to reach for. Better if they give us a swipe up gesture from the bottom right instead.

Looks classier from that angle.

 

[I7guy]

So the Apple pencil can take notes on an iPhone now?
Can be used to translate text on an iPhone?
Can be used to screen capture and make gifs on an iPhone?
Has a silo to be stored in?
Can be passively charged?
Can take notes on a locked screen?

Really?
As far as I'm aware, it only works on an iPad and a specific type of iPad.
It's not really in the same league in the least.

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...upport-could-launch-as-early-as-2019.2077492/

You can read about it here. Can the spen be used instead of a Wacom setup to draw award winning drawings or control the device as in another way to interface? So yeah, it’s not in the same league but better.
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Seriously.. if Apple were to do something like the Pencil on an iPhone, I would hope that they would approach it the way they have done other things. They would not simply make the Pencil work on the iPhone, they would come up with a Pencil Mini or something along those lines, that worked for the iPhone. I can see the video introduction now. They'd have a little golf scorecard pencil laying on the table, and an iPhone X Pro laying behind it.

Personally I don't see it happening. The only competitor that has a stylus is the Note 8, and their sales as a share of smartphones is a rounding error. I love the Note 8, but it is a seriously "niche" product. Why would Apple even want to go into such a small market?

As I said it was rumor and I linked to the front page article.

 

[Klyster]

https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...upport-could-launch-as-early-as-2019.2077492/

You can read about it here. Can the spen be used instead of a Wacom setup to draw award winning drawings or control the device as in another way to interface? So yeah, it’s not in the same league but better.

Lol, so no, it does none of those things I asked.
Not in the same league, not even close.
The s-pen does use the Wacom digitizer though...
You can draw with an apple pencil, woohoo!
Brilliant!

Oh and yes, since 2013 apparently, I didn't know that, isn't that cool?
https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/t...alaxy-note-tablet-as-a-digitizer-for-your-pc/

Just out of curiosity, who was handing out awards for the art i7guy?

 

[DestinyWonder]

Lol, so no, it does none of those things I asked.
Not in the same league, not even close.
The s-pen does use the Wacom digitizer though...
You can draw with an apple pencil, woohoo!
Brilliant!

Oh and yes, since 2013.....
https://www.techrepublic.com/blog/t...alaxy-note-tablet-as-a-digitizer-for-your-pc/

The Apple Pencil is way more accurate.

 

[Klyster]

The Apple Pencil is way more accurate.

At drawing? Or translation? Or note taking? Or storing in the device? Or passively charging? Or taking notes off the locked screen? Or making animated gifs? Or taking grabs from the screen?
Or just drawing?
The note can be used for drawing too but it's so much more than just a drawing tool.
But you can use it to draw too...

 

[DestinyWonder]

At drawing? Or translation? Or note taking? Or storing in the device? Or passively charging? Or taking notes off the locked screen? Or making animated gifs? Or taking grabs from the screen?
Or just drawing?
The note can be used for drawing too but it's so much more than just a drawing tool.
But you can use it to draw too...

I'll say it again, the Apple Pencil is better.

1) IAF - Apple pencil>>>>Spen*>surfacepen

2) Sampling rate - Spen*>>Apple pencil>>>surface pen

3) Parallax - Apple pencil>surfacepen>>Spen*

4) Nib/tip thickness - Spen*>surface pen>Applepencil

5) Tracking - Apple pencil>surface pen>Spen*

6) Tip and stroke alignment - Apple pencil>>Surface pen>>Spen

means infinitely better, >>> way better, >> significantly better, > means better.

 

[Klyster]

I'll say it again, the Apple Pencil is better.

1) IAF - Apple pencil>>>>Spen*>surfacepen

2) Sampling rate - Spen*>>Apple pencil>>>surface pen

3) Parallax - Apple pencil>surfacepen>>Spen*

4) Nib/tip thickness - Spen*>surface pen>Applepencil

5) Tracking - Apple pencil>surface pen>Spen*

6) Tip and stroke alignment - Apple pencil>>Surface pen>>Spen

means infinitely better, >>> way better, >> significantly better, > means better.

So that's good for?
Drawing?
And what else?

 

[DestinyWonder]

So that's good for?
Drawing?
And what else?

I'm done, not going to continue to argue with someone that just wants to argue.

 

[Klyster]

Oh so we are only talking about drawing?
Anything else and the toys get thrown out of the cot?

 

[convergent]

Oh so we are only talking about drawing?
Anything else and the toys get thrown out of the cot?

There is no point continuing this. Comparing a phone's writing instrument to a tablet's writing instrument is silly. Different tools for different tasks. Should we compare how a Ford F-150 compares to a Honda Civic next? Its about the same thing.

 

[torana355]

I'll say it again, the Apple Pencil is better.

1) IAF - Apple pencil>>>>Spen*>surfacepen

2) Sampling rate - Spen*>>Apple pencil>>>surface pen

3) Parallax - Apple pencil>surfacepen>>Spen*

4) Nib/tip thickness - Spen*>surface pen>Applepencil

5) Tracking - Apple pencil>surface pen>Spen*

6) Tip and stroke alignment - Apple pencil>>Surface pen>>Spen

means infinitely better, >>> way better, >> significantly better, > means better.

Do you have verified evidence that everything you said is factually correct?

 

[I7guy]

So that's good for?
Drawing?
And what else?

This is what I was referring to in a prior post.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/17...ver-illustrated-on-ipad-pro-with-apple-pencil

And the Apple Pencil can do more than "drawing", however, this illustrates it's versatility. And apple is always bring additional functions/capabilities to it's devices.

http://appleinsider.com/articles/15...nd-cannot-do-with-an-apple-pencil-on-ipad-pro

 

[Klyster]

Wow such detail, amazeballs......

You can't do anything on a phone, you need an ipad pro as well as the $159 dollar (NZ) pencil.

So unless you are going to carry an iPad pro and an apple pencil around all day, it's just not as usable as an s-pen in a note.
And even then, it still doesn't do as much.
No amount of arguing is going to change that.

 

[convergent]

Do you have verified evidence that everything you said is factually correct?

Of course he doesn't. First, best is going to be different for different purposes. Second it is opinion.

These guys have completely succeeded in derailing this thread with comparing a tablet to a phone.

 

[I7guy]

The point is that was not drawn with a finger or the spen. The illustration amazing though.

As was said rumor has it the iPhone will interface with the Apple pen. Relevancy.

 

[convergent]

The point is that was not drawn with a finger or the spen. The illustration amazing though.

As was said rumor has it the iPhone will interface with the Apple pen. Relevancy.

It was also not drawn on a phone. It's not relevant to this thread title any more than talking about the pen that comes with the Samsung Galaxy Book. Completely different device types. A tablet stylus functionality is not the same as a phone stylus, nor are the use cases. I believe there is zero chance Apple will support the current Apple Pencil on an iPhone.

 

[Radon87000]

That phone will probably be the phone I can't buy yearly. If the iPhone X Plus is going to be $1400 excluding accessories and taxes the iPhone pro with an Apple Pencil just sounds crazy expensive to me for a phone as I can quite literally build a kickass computer with that kind of cash. I would rather buy the Note with its inferior biometrics so it doesn't matter to me how good that iPhone Pro is.

Apple will no doubt charge separately for the Pencil and won't bundle it with the phone.

 

[Klyster]

I think the boat watercolor illustration looks pretty average actually.
Of all the pictures showing what the iPad is capable of with the Apple pencil, that isn't the picture I'd use, famous guy or not.

Much more impressive imo.

If Apple get a pencil to work with their phone, I'm sure it will be used by people, if they make a silo, I'm sure it will be used by even more people.
No doubt they will take the integration Samsung has with the phone and focus on those points and make them seem a lot more polished and harp on about it like it's something new and magical, it's the Apple way, they'll probably buy a company in the process.

But as it stands, the Apple pencil just isn't in the same league as the s-pen and how the s-pen integrates with the Note devices. Not even close.

 

[I7guy]

It was also not drawn on a phone. It's not relevant to this thread title any more than talking about the pen that comes with the Samsung Galaxy Book. Completely different device types. A tablet stylus functionality is not the same as a phone stylus, nor are the use cases. I believe there is zero chance Apple will support the current Apple Pencil on an iPhone.

In theory if Apple enables Apple Pencil on the iPhone X+ the same capabilities can be had on a smaller surface. Never bet against Apple.
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I think the boat watercolor illustration looks pretty average actually.
Of all the pictures showing what the iPad is capable of with the Apple pencil, that isn't the picture I'd use, famous guy or not.

Much more impressive imo.

If Apple get a pencil to work with their phone, I'm sure it will be used by people, if they make a silo, I'm sure it will be used by even more people.
No doubt they will take the integration Samsung has with the phone and focus on those points and make them seem a lot more polished and harp on about it like it's something new and magical, it's the Apple way, they'll probably buy a company in the process.

But as it stands, the Apple pencil just isn't in the same league as the s-pen and how the s-pen integrates with the Note devices. Not even close.

Whatever your opinion about the artwork or the Apple Pencil or the spen for that matter, an acclaimed artist used the Apple Pencil for the illustration on the cover of a major magazine. but you are corrected the Apple Pencil isn’t in the same league as the spen; its above it. But all this is basically all opinion anyway.

 

[Radon87000]

It was also not drawn on a phone. It's not relevant to this thread title any more than talking about the pen that comes with the Samsung Galaxy Book. Completely different device types. A tablet stylus functionality is not the same as a phone stylus, nor are the use cases. I believe there is zero chance Apple will support the current Apple Pencil on an iPhone.

Its coming. Once they exhaus all their possibilities for the iPhone X that will be on the cards. However unlike the Note 8 it wont be as useful as the Apple Pencil will be sold separately.