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Radon87000

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And honestly if I even were an artist why would I sketch on such a small screen. I get eye strain reading comics and books on a 5.5 iPhone so how is it even possible to draw on such a small screen. My eyes are thankful when I open my iPad for reading and editing documents. . If all it can do is draw and sign documents it's worthless.
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Those members are complaining on the macrumors front page, just like I predicted many months ago. I’m sticking with LCD.

While the other side of the fence is just doing what they do best.:rolleyes:
So you are not getting the X?

And who is complaining? Apple warned of burn in and they seem to be using PenTile but there's crickets from the guys bashing Samsung for burn in for a year around here.
 
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I7guy

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And honestly if I even were an artist why would I sketch on such a small screen. I get eye strain reading comics and books on a 5.5 iPhone so how is it even possible to draw on such a small screen. My eyes are thankful when I open my iPad for reading and editing documents. . If all it can do is draw and sign documents it's worthless.
It’s worthless to you, subjectively.
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So you are not getting the X?

And who is complaining? Apple warned of burn in and they seem to be using PenTile but there's crickets from the guys bashing Samsung for burn in for a year around here.
Don’t know about the 2017 X.

Seems like multiple posts regarding screen anomalies in apples oled panel. You heard it here first many, many months ago.
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I am not buying the Note 8. However I am not an artist. The S Pen has features which I actually use in my work flow. The Apple Pencil doesn't so I don't really care how many magazines it gets into. In my workflow its utility is equivalent to a $10 UniBall Pencil in my drawer. It's why I have Apple's flagship iPad but didn't bother to buy the Pencil. In my workflow it's useless. Apple Pencil needs to gain more flexibility outside narrow use cases. For those who are not artists it's an inferior solution.
I haven’t used a stylus in ages although I do enjoy doodling. Having said that The Apple Pencil has some cool features to be used on a day to day basis. If Apple ever integrated the Apple Pencil into an iPhone I would buy both in a New York minute.
 

Radon87000

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It’s worthless to you, subjectively.
Yes it's worthless to anyone who is not a artist.

Don’t know about the 2017 X.
Next year only the lower end iPhone has LCD and an abysmal PPI of 300-350. So you are out of options if you want a top tier LCD iPhone.


Seems like multiple posts regarding screen anomalies in apples oled panel. You heard it here first many, many months ago.
There are no widespread issues. What is being faced are the usual manufactuiny defects. LCD has them in the form of yellow tint, uneven whites, dead pixels etc. Apple has gone all in on OLED which I am happy to see


I haven’t used a stylus in ages although I do enjoy doodling. Having said that The Apple Pencil has some cool features to be used on a day to day basis. If Apple ever integrated the Apple Pencil into an iPhone I would buy both in a New York minute.

As I said it depends on whether you like drawing. The Spen has something for everyone. The Pencil not so much.
 
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Unwatching this thread for now... was a pretty good discussion about iPhone to Note comparison, but has turned into one person trying to convince everyone that a tablet pen experience is somehow relevant in comparison to a phone pen experience, when the company that makes the phone pen has a comparable tablet pen that is used by artists and compares well.
 
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I7guy

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Yes it's worthless to anyone who is not a artist.
There ya’ speaking for the masses again.:rolleyes:

Next year only the lower end iPhone has LCD and an abysmal PPI of 300-350. So you are out of options if you want a top tier LCD iPhone.
We’ll see about next years models when Apple announces them.

There are no widespread issues. What is being faced are the usual manufactuiny defects. LCD has them in the form of yellow tint, uneven whites, dead pixels etc. Apple has gone all in on OLED which I am happy to see
I didn’t say there were widespread issues. I pointed out people were discussing various anomalies with their Samsung built Apple screens.

As I said it depends on whether you like drawing. The Spen has something for everyone. The Pencil not so much.
You don’t know why anyone buys an Apple Pencil or how they use it. And you also don’t know the spen has something for everyone. by your responses it appears you actually haven’t used an Apple Pencil. Bottom line, opinion is not fact.
 

Radon87000

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There ya’ speaking for the masses again.:rolleyes:
What I stated is a fact. It's a pen for artists. Even Apple advertises it as such.

I didn’t say there were widespread issues. I pointed out people were discussing various anomalies with their Samsung built Apple screens.

This happens when you have so many iPhones being manufactured. But what about burn in? Isn't the iPhone X inferior to the 8 according to your logic over the past months?

You don’t know why anyone buys an Apple Pencil or how they use it. And you also don’t know the spen has something for everyone.
I read Klyster's posts and I have also some digging about the S Pen. The Pencil doesn't have the functionality the S Pen does. Also I am sure when Apple comes out with their Note competitor it won't be with the Apple Pencil. They will develop a custom stylus for it.


by your responses it appears you actually haven’t used an Apple Pencil. Bottom line, opinion is not fact.

I was getting a deal on the Pencil when I got my iPad Pro. It can only be used for drawing and basic navigation throughout the OS which is why I didn't get it.
 

mi7chy

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Major difference is one pen is pocketable at 4.26" while the other pencil is not at 6.92". Not everyone is willing to carry it around in a purse/man-purse.
 
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What I stated is a fact. It's a pen for artists. Even Apple advertises it as such.
No not a fact. A fact might be it’s a superior instrument for artists than the spen.

This happens when you have so many iPhones being manufactured. But what about burn in? Isn't the iPhone X inferior to the 8 according to your logic over the past months?
my logic is lcd is better and more stable.

I read Klyster's posts and I have also some digging about the S Pen. The Pencil doesn't have the functionality the S Pen does. Also I am sure when Apple comes out with their Note competitor it won't be with the Apple Pencil. They will develop a custom stylus for it.
And the spen doesn’t do as good a job as the Apple Pencil in other ways.

I was getting a deal on the Pencil when I got my iPad Pro. It can only be used for drawing and basic navigation throughout the OS which is why I didn't get it.
Really, I did a whole bunch more when I played with it at the Apple store.
 

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I am not buying the Note 8. However I am not an artist. The S Pen has features which I actually use in my work flow. The Apple Pencil doesn't so I don't really care how many magazines it gets into. In my workflow its utility is equivalent to a $10 UniBall Pencil in my drawer. It's why I have Apple's flagship iPad but didn't bother to buy the Pencil. In my workflow it's useless. Apple Pencil needs to gain more flexibility outside narrow use cases. For those who are not artists it's an inferior solution.
Don't you get it? Unless a magazine covers some work by the SPen it doesn't matter like it's 2017 and that is what makes something matter now, not it's functionality or convenience, it's if a magazine covers it. How pathetic.
 
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Don't you get it? Unless a magazine covers some work by the SPen it doesn't matter like it's 2017 and that is what makes something matter now, not it's functionality or convenience, it's if a magazine covers it. How pathetic.
It’s as pathetic as saying that the Apple Pencil is nothing because it can’t take a gif. Lol.
 

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Went to a Samsung store yesterday. Tested the Samsung Note 8 for over 2 hours and was grilling the sales people there about what it can do and showing me how to do things, in the process.

Two words: Mind Blown.

This device is so feature packed it's not even funny. I had a Note 3 for 6 weeks, 4 years ago, and sold it to a friend because of too many issues. None of these issues were evident in the Note 8. This device is absolutely mint. It is the closest smartphone you will find to a personal computer and it fits right in your pocket.

Looks and feels very premium, unlike my old Note 3 which came with a removable plastic back.
Easy to hold in one hand.
The camera is ridiculously good.
My favourite feature, the screen, a Samsung employee showed me a video in landscape, holy crap it looked 3D, as if you were there seeing it for real, cinematic effect he called it.
The multitasking, unreal.
The calculator has a built in currency converter.
The customisation, it is insane what you can do when compared to ios.
The floating windows.
The S-Pen, you can literally use it as a mouse.
The local filing system, the Samsung guy used the pen to create an MS spreadsheet and saved it direct to his Note, can do the same with MSW and MSPP.
The camera has a floating button for goodness sakes lol, where you can position the camera button anywhere you want on the screen, for more convenience.
And so much, much, much more.
It was buttery smooth, and like an iphone, it just worked.

Then I went up the escalator to the Apple store to try out the iPhone 8 Plus. After a minute I was like blah. Then I tried the 10.5 inch iPad Pro, after 2 minutes I was like blah. I used the Apple Pencil to draw and that was cool, but I was doing the same thing on the Note 8. Sure the ipad has a bigger screen but I'm not into drawing so the ipad didn't blow any wind up my skirt.

I was with my cousin who has also been an iphone user for 8 years, and she said "I am damaged now". In other words, after playing with the Note 8, she can't look at another iphone.

For those of you who like me have been iphone users for the longest time and are not excited by the X or the 8, or if you are intrigued by the Note 8, do yourself a favour and test it out in the store.

As for me, after everything I said above, I have decided not to get the Note 8. But I'm not getting the X or iPhone 8 either. Instead, I am going to hold onto my iphone 6 Plus until next year, and then I'm getting the Note 9. The 2 things that scared me away from the Note 8 in the end were the touch ID button being at the back and only 64 gigs of local storage. It does have expandable storage but you cannot store apps on an SD card. With a screen like that and with 6 gigs of ram, I fully intend to take advantage of app intensive games and apps, but they take up a lot of room. So I prefer more local storage.

The guy in the store said Samsung is working on a bendable/flexible screen for the Note 9. I don't know how that will work, especially with the glass back, but knowing how quickly Samsung moves, I anticipate that the Note 9 will come with touch ID under the display and more local storage. And if it turns out that neither happens, the Note 9 will still be significantly better than the Note 8 anyway so I intend to go with it.

The only thing that will stop me getting the Note 9 is if the 2018 iphone iteration also comes with features that blow me away. But I'm not holding my breath. I expect the 2018 X iteration will come in a Plus model which will be the killer feature for 2018 (wow), a better chip and camera, more anamojis, and a couple of other features which will be totally useless (ala 3D touch) in the whole scheme of things. Thanks but no thanks.

Bring on the Note 9.
I left my iPhone 7 plus almost two months ago and haven't looked back. Every time I look at the iPhone, it just looks prehistoric compared to my Note 8. The other day, I finally had a chance to see the iPhone 8 and X in person, and damn...was I underwhelmed by both. iOS just looks so bad on the iPhone X. I just couldn't help but think how outdated the OS looks. I've grown really fond of Android on my Note 8 and how practical an OS it is. The notifications, the widgets...iOS is quite behind in these areas.
 
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It’s as pathetic as saying that the Apple Pencil is nothing because it can’t take a gif. Lol.
Just for clarity, I never said the pencil was nothing or bad.
It's just not as complete a device as the s-pen.
It's not better.
 
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DestinyWonder

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Easy then. Since you have done your research why don't share links/source so we can all benefit (with further readings) from them. Instead of you asking someone to repeat your effort.

Yeah, if I had them still. lol It's not that hard for you guys to do it. Stop being lazy.
 

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I left my iPhone 7 plus almost two months ago and haven't looked back. Every time I look at the iPhone, it just looks prehistoric compared to my Note 8. The other day, I finally had a chance to see the iPhone 8 and X in person, and damn...was I underwhelmed by both. iOS just looks so bad on the iPhone X. I just couldn't help but think how outdated the OS looks. I've grown really fond of Android on my Note 8 and how practical an OS it is. The notifications, the widgets...iOS is quite behind in these areas.

That's ecactly what I thought when I played with the Note 8 and then the iphone 8 and then X, underwhelmed...with the latter.
 

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I left my iPhone 7 plus almost two months ago and haven't looked back. Every time I look at the iPhone, it just looks prehistoric compared to my Note 8. The other day, I finally had a chance to see the iPhone 8 and X in person, and damn...was I underwhelmed by both. iOS just looks so bad on the iPhone X. I just couldn't help but think how outdated the OS looks. I've grown really fond of Android on my Note 8 and how practical an OS it is. The notifications, the widgets...iOS is quite behind in these areas.
To get what works for you at the end of the day. Some though just want a simple layout not everybody wants to make the home screen to be different.

Aside from the S pen and screen size I don't think much is missing from the x compared to the note personally. S pen is a great feature but I have the apple pencil and don't use it much at all on my pro so doubt I would with the S pen either.

I will welcome the bigger screen next year but with an ipad pro 10.5 and a macbook pro the bigger screen isn't a deal breaker

Personally I think notifications are far better on the iphone for my needs. Having the screen on is more useful to me and at least on the iphone you don't need to close down notifications to get new ones on twitter. That for me was a big issue. I get the way you can organise them is better on android but in terms of them coming through iphone is better to me
 

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To get what works for you at the end of the day. Some though just want a simple layout not everybody wants to make the home screen to be different.

Aside from the S pen and screen size I don't think much is missing from the x compared to the note personally. S pen is a great feature but I have the apple pencil and don't use it much at all on my pro so doubt I would with the S pen either.

I will welcome the bigger screen next year but with an ipad pro 10.5 and a macbook pro the bigger screen isn't a deal breaker

Personally I think notifications are far better on the iphone for my needs. Having the screen on is more useful to me and at least on the iphone you don't need to close down notifications to get new ones on twitter. That for me was a big issue. I get the way you can organise them is better on android but in terms of them coming through iphone is better to me

I tried the Apple Pencil on the 10.5 inch iPad Pro at an Apple Store. It has a narrow purpose, and that is drawing. You can't navigate around ios on the iPad with the Apple Pencil like you can with the S-Pen on the Note 8. The S-Pen, as someone else noted above, is far more than just an artistic tool, it is essentially a mouse. Yes you can draw with it, you can write with it, you can stick the pen in between 2 letters of a word if you need to make a correction, you can swipe around the screen with it, you can use it as a magnifying glass, you can use the pen to hover over something and make a GIF out of it, you can cut around a picture and super impose the cut out on another picture, you use it to translate all the languages in Google Translate. By pulling out the S-Pen, it opens up a whole myriad of features on the Note 8 that the iPhone X simply does not have. It is so integrated with the Note 8, it is a part of the Note 8. The Note 8 is half the device it is without the S-Pen. Without the S-Pen, the Note 8 is just another big screen smartphone The Apple Pencil on the other hand, is an accessory for the iPad, no different to earpods for an iPhone. The Apple Pencil enhances the iPad but it is not part of the iPad. Without the Apple Pencil the iPad will still be the great tablett that it is. You can't even slot the Apple Pencil into the iPad like the S-Pen slots into the Note 8.

And here's the thing, at the rate at which Samsung travels and at the rate at which Apple travels, I can only see the S-Pen becoming more and more advanced compared to the Apple Pencil. I can legitimately see the S-Pen becoming a console for gaming, no different to the handheld remotes you see with Xbox and Playstation, and so much more, stuff that we can't even dream up.

The bottom line is, you don't use the Apple Pencil much at all on your Pro because other than drawing, there's not much use for it.
 
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Radon87000

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I tried the Apple Pencil on the 10.5 inch iPad Pro at an Apple Store. It has a narrow purpose, and that is drawing. You can't navigate around ios on the iPad with the Apple Pencil like you can with the S-Pen on the Note 8. The S-Pen, as someone else noted above, is far more than just an artistic tool, it is essentially a mouse. Yes you can draw with it, you can write with it, you can stick the pen in between 2 letters of a word if you need to make a correction, you can swipe around the screen with it, you can use it as a magnifying glass, you can use the pen to hover over something and make a GIF out of it, you can cut around a picture and super impose the cut out on another picture, you use it to translate all the languages in Google Translate. By pulling out the S-Pen, it opens up a whole myriad of features on the Note 8 that the iPhone X simply does not have. It is so integrated with the Note 8, it is a part of the Note 8. The Note 8 is half the device it is without the S-Pen. Without the S-Pen, the Note 8 is just another big screen smartphone The Apple Pencil on the other hand, is an accessory for the iPad, no different to earpods for an iPhone. The Apple Pencil enhances the iPad but it is not part of the iPad. Without the Apple Pencil the iPad will still be the great tablett that it is. You can't even slot the Apple Pencil into the iPad like the S-Pen slots into the Note 8.

And here's the thing, at the rate at which Samsung travels and at the rate at which Apple travels, I can only see the S-Pen becoming more and more advanced compared to the Apple Pencil. I can legitimately see the S-Pen becoming a console for gaming, no different to the handheld remotes you see with Xbox and Playstation, and so much more, stuff that we can't even dream up.

The bottom line is, you don't use the Apple Pencil much at all on your Pro because other than drawing, there's not much use for it.
I do agree the S Pen is a Samsung innovation and I am enticed by its features. I especially like the Live Message feature on the Note 8. Looks awesome. The Apple Pencil is a specialised tool for a specialised purpose. You can't compare the two. Heck when Apple comes out with its own version it won't be the Apple Pencil. It will probabbly be a stylus similar to the Note 8 and have a variety of use cases apart from drawing.

Let's see if Samsung figures out in screen fingerprint sensor in the Note 9 as rumoured. If Samsung does this, it will one up Apple in biometrics. I can get a Note 9 without a moments hesitation at that point.
 

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I tried the Apple Pencil on the 10.5 inch iPad Pro at an Apple Store. It has a narrow purpose, and that is drawing. You can't navigate around ios on the iPad with the Apple Pencil like you can with the S-Pen on the Note 8. The S-Pen, as someone else noted above, is far more than just an artistic tool, it is essentially a mouse. Yes you can draw with it, you can write with it, you can stick the pen in between 2 letters of a word if you need to make a correction, you can swipe around the screen with it, you can use it as a magnifying glass, you can use the pen to hover over something and make a GIF out of it, you can cut around a picture and super impose the cut out on another picture, you use it to translate all the languages in Google Translate. By pulling out the S-Pen, it opens up a whole myriad of features on the Note 8 that the iPhone X simply does not have. It is so integrated with the Note 8, it is a part of the Note 8. The Note 8 is half the device it is without the S-Pen. Without the S-Pen, the Note 8 is just another big screen smartphone The Apple Pencil on the other hand, is an accessory for the iPad, no different to earpods for an iPhone. The Apple Pencil enhances the iPad but it is not part of the iPad. Without the Apple Pencil the iPad will still be the great tablett that it is. You can't even slot the Apple Pencil into the iPad like the S-Pen slots into the Note 8.

And here's the thing, at the rate at which Samsung travels and at the rate at which Apple travels, I can only see the S-Pen becoming more and more advanced compared to the Apple Pencil. I can legitimately see the S-Pen becoming a console for gaming, no different to the handheld remotes you see with Xbox and Playstation, and so much more, stuff that we can't even dream up.

The bottom line is, you don't use the Apple Pencil much at all on your Pro because other than drawing, there's not much use for it.
Not really though, what would I use the S pen for the most? The same as I would with the apple pencil and that’s nav round the device. I have no doubt live message is cool but would I use it anymore than when I send animoji with the x? nah I wouldn’t. Some of the S pen features would be nice to use no doubt about it but would I use them much over time? Not really.


So yes there are more features with the S pen but for certain people they will stop using them after a while and just use it as a phone. On the pencil you at least have a massive screen to use the pencil for what you might want to use. On the note I think it’s great don’t get me wrong but from a usage standpoint for ME the usage wouldn’t be much different
 

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I think Apple's ecosystem has pretty much ruined me. As you said, "it just works". And my launch day iPhone 6 has been spot-on reliable.

I came from a Samsung Galaxy phone. Loved the screen and the customization. But everything else was kinda clunky to use. Didn't like the Google Play store. And the stock email system was always giving me fits (yes, I know there are others you can use, but none worked very well with my work email).

Maybe Android OS's have come a long way since then. But for now (and for better or worse) I think I will stick with iOS. But have to admit, the new Note is mighty impressive. Just hope the have finally fixed their battery issues. ;)

In the past I had n interest in Android phones. For me the tipping point was when Apple launched the iPhone 6s. I felt disheartened by signing a contract for a phone that barely looked different from my iPhone 5s. That's when I got curious about the Samsung Edge Plus which looked unlike anything else on the market.

Eco system
iMessage? Most people use WhatsApp anyways.
Facetime? You can video call through WhatsApps and Facebook.
Switching? An app moved over all my text messages, contacts, phone logs and notes to the Samsung. It was painless.

Ease of use
Apple products are awesome and the ease of use agenda changed gadgets for ever. However, the competitors got the memo and many tasks on Android are as easy or even easier.

Location setting: Pull down the notification bar and switch it off or on. On the iPhone you have to go into setting.
Sharing: Long press on any image whether in gallery, email or browser and it sharing options will appear that include your most recent contacts in Whatsapp or text messaging.

There's no point in going into an Android vs iOS argument, but Android has massively improved over the years and eventhough I own other Apple products, my digital life isn't incomplete because I don't own an iPhone.
 
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