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djkinetic

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I do. I do do not use my phone for such activities as I will be in a nice quiet room, and I will use a better source than my phone.
I'm always on the move so my mobile devices are my lifeline ...when I'm on lengthy flights the headphone jack is one of my best friends...while I can live without a jack... Having to carry the adapter is quite annoying...and when ur traveling the last thing u want to do is have to dig around you're belongings looking for it.
 

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I'm always on the move so my mobile devices are my lifeline ...when I'm on lengthy flights the headphone jack is one of my best friends...while I can live without a jack... Having to carry the adapter is quite annoying...and when ur traveling the last thing u want to do is have to dig around you're belongings looking for it.

Right, or having ANOTHER thing you have to charge somehow on the plane, or before the flight.
 

Dave.UK

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Lack of audio jack - One of the most craziest moves, and I would say exactly the same about Samsung if they ever did it.

I do ultra hiking. Would struggle to find Bluetooth headphones that last for 12+ hours.
 

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Having used a Note 8 for a few weeks and an iPhone 6S+ for a few years, I will say that neither is particularly better or worse for the FPS location. If you try to use the iPhone one handed, it is very difficult to activate the front FPS because of the weight of the phone and positioning of the FPS. Likewise, on the Note 8 it is a little too high. What would be perfect on the Note 8 would be to place it just to the side of the Samsung word on the back of the phone, because when you pick up the phone that is naturally where your index finger lands. But they'd have two of them if they did that because for left handed people it wouldn't work being off to one side. I will say that I enjoy having two different biometric means... I have FPS and Retina both turned on and one of the two of them his very quickly nearly ever time. Its not always the same one though. I wouldn't want to go back to having only one or the other which is the way any iPhone works.

Agreed on most of your points, though I never found the TouchID sensor to be hard to use. I guess I just naturally got used to having a home button at the bottom, and having to activate the devices in that way. In fact, i liked how it worked on the S6 being a rectangular fingerprint sensor on the front. Surly the could have given the bottom a couple more MM of space to have a front sensor?

I am not a fan of the rear sensor on any device (personally) my Pixel either, as it is hard for me to contort my fingers to contact the sensor, and you can’t unlock the device in that way while it is on a table. At least with this device, I don’t accidentally smudge my camera up when I try to unlock it.

Never been much of a fan of design over function. Apple has more of a storied history of this problem, and it is frustrating to see Samsung, Google, and other companies slipping up in that regard. At heart the Note has a headphone jack for those that like it.
 

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Agreed on most of your points, though I never found the TouchID sensor to be hard to use. I guess I just naturally got used to having a home button at the bottom, and having to activate the devices in that way. In fact, i liked how it worked on the S6 being a rectangular fingerprint sensor on the front. Surly the could have given the bottom a couple more MM of space to have a front sensor?

I am not a fan of the rear sensor on any device (personally) my Pixel either, as it is hard for me to contort my fingers to contact the sensor, and you can’t unlock the device in that way while it is on a table. At least with this device, I don’t accidentally smudge my camera up when I try to unlock it.

Never been much of a fan of design over function. Apple has more of a storied history of this problem, and it is frustrating to see Samsung, Google, and other companies slipping up in that regard. At heart the Note has a headphone jack for those that like it.


My suggested location on the back removes all contorting, and having a second factor like iris that doesn't require picking up covers that angle.
 

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My suggested location on the back removes all contorting, and having a second factor like iris that doesn't require picking up covers that angle.

So does FaceID. And judging by reviews, FaceID works well enough that you don’t have to get as close to the device to unlock it, making it more natural to walk up, and interact with your device by voice, and have it auto-unlock.

What ever happened to the voice unlock technology that both companies were looking into? I would love that as a secondary option. Voiceprint identification has come a long ways, and it would be another great accessibility option for disabled & able bodied adults.
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Lack of audio jack - One of the most craziest moves, and I would say exactly the same about Samsung if they ever did it.

I do ultra hiking. Would struggle to find Bluetooth headphones that last for 12+ hours.
AirPods or pixelbuds with the charge case. I assume that you would have a few moments pause during the hike to enjoy the surroundings. In that time the buds would fully charge to give you another few hours of listening before you have to case them again.

I know this, because I use my AirPods for hiking, flights, and other activities all day and on both my Android and iOS devices. The case has 24 hours of charge in it, so not a problem for a weekend trip either.

My only gripe is, I wish there were more options out there with this feature, but, with better isolation / sound quality when in loud environments. But in those cases, I use my in ear, or over the ear headphones anyway, and the dongles work fine for that. Especially when hiking.
 

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So does FaceID. And judging by reviews, FaceID works well enough that you don’t have to get as close to the device to unlock it, making it more natural to walk up, and interact with your device by voice, and have it auto-unlock.

What ever happened to the voice unlock technology that both companies were looking into? I would love that as a secondary option. Voiceprint identification has come a long ways, and it would be another great accessibility option for disabled & able bodied adults.
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AirPods or pixelbuds with the charge case. I assume that you would have a few moments pause during the hike to enjoy the surroundings. In that time the buds would fully charge to give you another few hours of listening before you have to case them again.

I know this, because I use my AirPods for hiking, flights, and other activities all day and on both my Android and iOS devices. The case has 24 hours of charge in it, so not a problem for a weekend trip either.

My only gripe is, I wish there were more options out there with this feature, but, with better isolation / sound quality when in loud environments. But in those cases, I use my in ear, or over the ear headphones anyway, and the dongles work fine for that. Especially when hiking.

So pay £200 for an inconvenience which I don't experience with my good wire headphones?
 
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I agree the Note line are some beautiful amazing phones... But Android bleh!! A note 8 running iOS seamlessly would be my dream phone. (and yes I know that would never happen)
 

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So pay £200 for an inconvenience which I don't experience with my good wire headphones?
You said it would be hard to find headphones that would last 12+ hours for your hike. I mentioned two options that would satisfy that requirement.

Use wired headphones then, why did you bring up BT in the first place?
 

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You had no choice that's why don't come here with that nonsense, you literally HAD TO move on.

You iFans are hilarious.
"I have a hard time understanding the concept that my needs are not representative of the needs of other people, and get very angry when opinions differ from mine"
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Maybe "most of you" who moved on don't travel on long haul flights where a headset that doesn't need to be recharged after a few hours is important... or maybe "most of you" don't have hundreds of dollars invested in wired headsets that you love and don't want to give up. Or maybe "most of you" believe Apple's "courage" crap justification, Samsung managed to keep the jack, and fit everything in the package including expandable storage, making it waterproof, and also including a silo for pen. What exactly did you gain in return for the headphone jack going away? Because Apple's story about what you gained is total BS.
Like, most good headsets last 24 hours on a single charge... or are you talking about those really long haul flights.. that circle the globe and a half then land randomly in the middle of the desert?

Said headsets also come with a 3.5mm cable for when the battery dies. If I really needed to, I could leave the 3.5<->Lightning dongle that comes in the box with the phone plugged into that 3.5mm cable and just use it whenever I really need it (which is 0% of the time so far, and I've travelled a lot since).

But please tell me more about how iSheep like me are idiots because we don't have exactly the same opinion as you, and once you're done with that, tell me more about how I'm in denial and am lying to myself, and how I'm probably suffering from stockholm syndrome. Once that's all finished up, give yourself a few good pats on the back - you sure showed 'em.
 
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"I have a hard time understanding the concept that my needs are not representative of the needs of other people, and get very angry when opinions differ from mine"
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Like, most good headsets last 24 hours on a single charge... or are you talking about those really long haul flights.. that circle the globe and a half then land randomly in the middle of the desert?

Said headsets also come with a 3.5mm cable for when the battery dies. If I really needed to, I could leave the 3.5<->Lightning dongle that comes in the box with the phone plugged into that 3.5mm cable and just use it whenever I really need it (which is 0% of the time so far, and I've travelled a lot since).

But please tell me more about how iSheep like me are idiots because we don't have exactly the same opinion as you, and once you're done with that, tell me more about how I'm in denial and am lying to myself, and how I'm probably suffering from stockholm syndrome. Once that's all finished up, give yourself a few good pats on the back - you sure showed 'em.
What's that quote got to do with anything. You came across here acting like you were given a choice to move on or not, when in reality you did not have any sort of choice since you prefer an iPhone
 

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Audiophile grade headphones are still for the most part wired...there’s no getting around that...and given the choice a majority of people would still rather have the jack integrated instead of having an adapter.
 

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What's that quote got to do with anything. You came across here acting like you were given a choice to move on or not, when in reality you did not have any sort of choice since you prefer an iPhone
I've never used 3.5 anyway and actually have always used Bluetooth. I know it's hard imagining that people have usages that differ from yours. :rolleyes:
 

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I've never used 3.5 anyway and actually have always used Bluetooth. I know it's hard imagining that people have usages that differ from yours. :rolleyes:
Lol, not at all bud, I love the diversity of usage.

You seem to forget that I am the 1 who simply posted what I like about my Note8 and then you quoted me and added a snotty response to what I had said.

You are hilarious

Tell me more about the things you like where you were never given a choice anyway, you seem to be good at that.
 
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You said it would be hard to find headphones that would last 12+ hours for your hike. I mentioned two options that would satisfy that requirement.

Use wired headphones then, why did you bring up BT in the first place?

Because people were talking about the headphone jack. Yes, there are options, however these options are an unnecessary expense.
 

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Because people were talking about the headphone jack. Yes, there are options, however these options are an unnecessary expense.
I was only responding to the BT headphone options portion of your comment.

I am mixed on the headphone jack. I like / use it on my devices that have them, but don’t really miss it on devices that don’t, due to most of my music being done via BT (car connection), or via Airplay / Chromecast at home.

But I am fully aware that I am a singular use case.
 
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So does FaceID. And judging by reviews, FaceID works well enough that you don’t have to get as close to the device to unlock it, making it more natural to walk up, and interact with your device by voice, and have it auto-unlock.
You completely missed my point. Having BOTH is an advantage in the scenarios I described. I'm really not sure why folks are having a hard time seeing that FaceID and TouchID would have been better than just one or the other.

AirPods or pixelbuds with the charge case. I assume that you would have a few moments pause during the hike to enjoy the surroundings. In that time the buds would fully charge to give you another few hours of listening before you have to case them again.

I know this, because I use my AirPods for hiking, flights, and other activities all day and on both my Android and iOS devices. The case has 24 hours of charge in it, so not a problem for a weekend trip either.

My only gripe is, I wish there were more options out there with this feature, but, with better isolation / sound quality when in loud environments. But in those cases, I use my in ear, or over the ear headphones anyway, and the dongles work fine for that. Especially when hiking.

I don't hate many products, but AirPods are one of them. To me...and this is just my opinion... they look completely stupid when I see people wearing them, and like every other earbud Apple has made, they have no rubber grommet so don't create a seal with the ear leading to them a) falling out easily, and b) not offering any isolation of sound at all. For good quality noise canceling listening, I'll take the wired over wireless. I do use wireless Beats X at the gym. So options are good... Apple has taken away the options.

"I have a hard time understanding the concept that my needs are not representative of the needs of other people, and get very angry when opinions differ from mine"
Clearly!
Like, most good headsets last 24 hours on a single charge... or are you talking about those really long haul flights.. that circle the globe and a half then land randomly in the middle of the desert?

Said headsets also come with a 3.5mm cable for when the battery dies. If I really needed to, I could leave the 3.5<->Lightning dongle that comes in the box with the phone plugged into that 3.5mm cable and just use it whenever I really need it (which is 0% of the time so far, and I've travelled a lot since).

But please tell me more about how iSheep like me are idiots because we don't have exactly the same opinion as you, and once you're done with that, tell me more about how I'm in denial and am lying to myself, and how I'm probably suffering from stockholm syndrome. Once that's all finished up, give yourself a few good pats on the back - you sure showed 'em.

Not sure where you are finding these "most good headsets" that last 24 hours... maybe with the "most of you" that have moved on. The Bose QuietComfort that I use, both over ear and earbud, don't last that long. And, the quality is not as good vs. wired. As for flights, no single flight lasts that long but I've been on several trips this year that took 3 hops which totaled well over 24 hours, with segments as long as 14 (Japan, Singapore, India).

So if "said headsets" come with a 3.5mm cable, that is precisely the POINT of why the jack is nice to have. I don't really love to haul around a bag of dongles to loose, forget, etc..

I don't recall ever saying anything about anyone being an idiot. You made the statement that "most of us have moved on" as if anyone who hasn't is in the wrong. I don't speak for "most", I speak for myself. Perhaps many have moved on, but I expect many also haven't.

As someone else said very well, if you are going to stick with being wedded to Apple products, you really don't have a choice now do you? They make the decision to move on for you. If you want to have no choice, then that's up to you and no where did I say it makes you an idiot. I personally buy what works for me... and for me a headphone jack is something that I like to have checked.

I also found Apple's whole "courage" BS to be kind of insulting as a customer. If Apple wants to removed the jack, then removed it. Making up some ridiculous crap about it being good for society or something is just stupid. As I pointed out... it wasn't about space, or waterproofing, or anything else, except they are just hell bent on form over function and I care more about function.
 
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Lol, not at all bud, I love the diversity of usage.
Which clearly explains why you're so upset when people disagree with you, as evidenced by:
You seem to forget that I am the 1 who simply posted what I like about my Note8 and then you quoted me and added a snotty response to what I had said.
"Snotty" basically translating to "your opinion differs from mine and I find that offensive"

You are hilarious
Thanks! ;)

Tell me more about the things you like where you were never given a choice anyway, you seem to be good at that.
Right after you tell me more about how diversity of usage is something you love so much despite the fact I've never seen somebody get more butthurt over a difference of opinions than you are right now.
 

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Agreed on most of your points, though I never found the TouchID sensor to be hard to use.

Front fingerprint scanner is awkward if not almost impossible to use one handed. You have to do finger gymnastics pinching the end of the phone with index and thumb while risking dropping an expensive phone. Back side isn't perfect but has fewer compromises between the two. I'd say back is about 70% ideal while front is about 30% ideal. What they should do is mount both a rear and a front so no compromises.
 
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You completely missed my point. Having BOTH is an advantage in the scenarios I described. I'm really not sure why folks are having a hard time seeing that FaceID and TouchID would have been better than just one or the other.



I don't hate many products, but AirPods are one of them. To me...and this is just my opinion... they look completely stupid when I see people wearing them, and like every other earbud Apple has made, they have no rubber grommet so don't create a seal with the ear leading to them a) falling out easily, and b) not offering any isolation of sound at all. For good quality noise canceling listening, I'll take the wired over wireless. I do use wireless Beats X at the gym. So options are good... Apple has taken away the options.


Clearly!


Not sure where you are finding these "most good headsets" that last 24 hours... maybe with the "most of you" that have moved on. The Bose QuietComfort that I use, both over ear and earbud, don't last that long. And, the quality is not as good vs. wired. As for flights, no single flight lasts that long but I've been on several trips this year that took 3 hops which totaled well over 24 hours, with segments as long as 14 (Japan, Singapore, India).

So if "said headsets" come with a 3.5mm cable, that is precisely the POINT of why the jack is nice to have. I don't really love to haul around a bag of dongles to loose, forget, etc..

I don't recall ever saying anything about anyone being an idiot. You made the statement that "most of us have moved on" as if anyone who hasn't is in the wrong. I don't speak for "most", I speak for myself. Perhaps many have moved on, but I expect many also haven't.

As someone else said very well, if you are going to stick with being wedded to Apple products, you really don't have a choice now do you? They make the decision to move on for you. If you want to have no choice, then that's up to you and no where did I say it makes you an idiot. I personally buy what works for me... and for me a headphone jack is something that I like to have checked.

I also found Apple's whole "courage" BS to be kind of insulting as a customer. If Apple wants to removed the jack, then removed it. Making up some ridiculous crap about it being good for society or something is just stupid. As I pointed out... it wasn't about space, or waterproofing, or anything else, except they are just hell bent on form over function and I care more about function.
To be honest, given these inspired walls of text, I'm actually kind of glad they got rid of the headphone jack. I hope they get rid of the screen next - I'd do anything to watch you guys react to that
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Front fingerprint scanner is awkward if not almost impossible to use one handed. You have to do finger gymnastics pinching the end of the phone with index and thumb while risking dropping an expensive phone. Back side isn't perfect but has fewer compromises between the two. I'd say front is about 70% ideal while front is about 30% ideal. What they should do is mount both a rear and a front so no compromises.
Stop making up issues - front fingerprint scanners are definitively not awkward to use unless you have arthritis or something
 

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Which clearly explains why you're so upset when people disagree with you, as evidenced by:

"Snotty" basically translating to "your opinion differs from mine and I find that offensive"


Thanks! ;)


Right after you tell me more about how diversity of usage is something you love so much despite the fact I've never seen somebody get more butthurt over a difference of opinions than you are right now.
Huge difference bud. I am not at the iPhone Forum quoting people and giving snotty responses.

Plenty of people here who have different uses to me that I have respected. Again you are the one who came at me due to me explaining that I am glad I have a choice with my original comment all I have done is highlight how you celebrate not having a chiice.

You have to agree it is quite hilarious, why did you even respond to my original post? Looking for trouble?
 

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You completely missed my point. Having BOTH is an advantage in the scenarios I described. I'm really not sure why folks are having a hard time seeing that FaceID and TouchID would have been better than just one or the other.
No I did not, I understood what you said fully, I think the issue is that I didn’t respond in a way you approve (apparently).

It may not be in the same post, but I thought I made it clear that I do see value in having a fingerprint scanner, and to make it crystal clear, I do see value in it being used as a secondary biometric for sure. I just have an issue where Samsung put it, (why I even bothered chiming into this thread). The iPhone user in me will miss TouchID as an option for sure.

As an aside, Having to only use one, if given the choice I would go with face mapping over fingerprint or iris. Face detection is more of a hands free option that also doesn’t require me to put my face up to the phone, which can be awkward if hands are full and I need to do something via voice, that also requires authentication. I honestly thought Google was going to have something like that for the Pixel 2, but sadly not much was introduced this year.

Yes you can setup the android devices to unlock via OK google, but that isn’t really the same thing as a challenged response system like I have seen for voice auth biometrics.



I don't hate many products, but AirPods are one of them. To me...and this is just my opinion... they look completely stupid when I see people wearing them, and like every other earbud Apple has made, they have no rubber grommet so don't create a seal with the ear leading to them a) falling out easily, and b) not offering any isolation of sound at all. For good quality noise canceling listening, I'll take the wired over wireless. I do use wireless Beats X at the gym. So options are good... Apple has taken away the options.

See my earlier post, you are kinda beating a dead horse. Yes, isolation is lacking on AirPods, and I too (as I said earlier) wish there was an option that had better sound isolation.

As far as falling out of ears, many reviewers, and many posters (including myself) have reported that it is somehow less of an issue on the AirPods. I run, workout, and even have done light martial arts (clearly no headshots ;) ) with mine remaining in ears just fine.

As far as a gasket / isolation, it woudln’t matter as the headphones are designed to allow in outside noise anyway, by design.

I agree on wired headphones being a great listening experience, though I find the DAC on many iPhones (even with jacks) and most every Samsung phone to be quite weak. I honestly contemplated getting the LGV20 over the Pixel just for that. That, however, is a different subject entirely.

Front fingerprint scanner is awkward if not almost impossible to use one handed. You have to do finger gymnastics pinching the end of the phone with index and thumb while risking dropping an expensive phone. Back side isn't perfect but has fewer compromises between the two. I'd say back is about 70% ideal while front is about 30% ideal. What they should do is mount both a rear and a front so no compromises.

I see your point, but find the rear scanner on my Pixel to be really awkward, and I have dropped the phone once (thankfully on a pillow) trying to crane my finger down to the sensor.

I would argue that the front is not much of an issue for an iPhone user, as we are already trained to hit that button for accessing the home button.

In both cases, you don’t have to register the exact middle of your fingerprint either. I actually registered the side of my finger for my Pixel, all until a case I purchased, made that impossible.
 
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Huge difference bud. I am not at the iPhone Forum quoting people and giving snotty responses.

Plenty of people here who have different uses to me that I have respected. Again you are the one who came at me due to me explaining that I am glad I have a choice with my original comment all I have done is highlight how you celebrate not having a chiice.

You have to agree it is quite hilarious, why did you even respond to my original post? Looking for trouble?
"I've never really used 3.5mm, so being stuck with Bluetooth isn't a problem to me" == "I'm celebrating not having a choice"

Well thanks anyway :D
 

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To be honest, given these inspired walls of text, I'm actually kind of glad they got rid of the headphone jack. I hope they get rid of the screen next - I'd do anything to watch you guys react to that
React? I bought a phone that had the features I wanted, and I'm discussing it with people on a forum. If "you'd do anything to watch that", wow... what a life you must have!

Me, I'm deciding if I want to listen to my wired Bose headphones or my Beats Bluetooth headphones, and not putting a dongle into my bag in either case.

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Stop making up issues - front fingerprint scanners are definitively not awkward to use unless you have arthritis or something

He didn't "make up an issue". He CLEARLY explained the issue... that being using an iPhone with TouchID with one hand. You have to support the weight of the phone between your thumb and fingers, probably putting a lot of unnecessary stress on the home button. Then you have to kind of bounce it back up into your hand to steady it. If you never use a phone one handed, then its not an issue. If you do, then it is. This is one use case where a front mounted FPS is not the best way to go. In other use cases it is.
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No I did not, I understood what you said fully, I think the issue is that I didn’t respond in a way you approve (apparently).

It may not be in the same post, but I thought I made it clear that I do see value in having a fingerprint scanner, and to make it crystal clear, I do see value in it being used as a secondary biometric for sure. I just have an issue where Samsung put it, (why I even bothered chiming into this thread). The iPhone user in me will miss TouchID as an option for sure.

As an aside, Having to only use one, if given the choice I would go with face mapping over fingerprint or iris. Face detection is more of a hands free option that also doesn’t require me to put my face up to the phone, which can be awkward if hands are full and I need to do something via voice, that also requires authentication. I honestly thought Google was going to have something like that for the Pixel 2, but sadly not much was introduced this year.

Not sure why you think I didn't "approve" of your response... why is everyone so touchy? I am just having a discussion. The early reviews I read said that they DID have to put their face up in front of the phone. In fact I think one of them even said, "like I had to do with my Note 8". I hope that all works out and you don't have to, but just looking at early reviews.
 
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To be honest, given these inspired walls of text, I'm actually kind of glad they got rid of the headphone jack. I hope they get rid of the screen next - I'd do anything to watch you guys react to that
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Stop making up issues - front fingerprint scanners are definitively not awkward to use unless you have arthritis or something
I find then akward too
 
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