You'd be here somehow telling us how you barely used the Display and didn't need it, and then act like you had a choice in the matter.
So no different to now.
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I played with the Note 8, and now the iphone looks blah
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You'd be here somehow telling us how you barely used the Display and didn't need it, and then act like you had a choice in the matter.
So no different to now.
Like I don't really use the display that much to be honest. Hey Siri does everything I need. It takes real courage to remove the screen.You'd be here somehow telling us how you barely used the Display and didn't need it, and then act like you had a choice in the matter.
So no different to now.
Jokes aside though, your refusal to accept the fact that I actually never used the 3.5mm (have AirPods, have 24hr battery life headphones for work, and have Bluetooth/Lightning in the car) and instead pinning it on me "not having a choice in the matter" is adorable. Please never change
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Just on this, being too deep in Apple's ecosystem, I myself have an iphone and of course itunes purchases. I don't have a mac, an ipad, an Apple Watch, I have a Windows PC because that's what I have been brought up with and that's what I use at work. I pretty much use my iphone for everything that does not involve drafting word docs and spreadsheets. My two sons each have an ipad but I keep them and their itunes accounts totally seperate from my iphone. I don't want them accessing my Facebook account and I don't want ABC for kids apps on my iphone. Sometimes, only every so often, I may want to watch youtube on a bigger screen so I use my PC. But for everything else, youtubing, web browsing, games, music, communicating, I use my iphone. I would not be the sort of person who needs to start something on one device and finish it on another. Never have, never will. And I can always transfer my music purchases as MP3 files to any other device if I want. So I am not dependant on the ecosystem as some others.
I see it often, people can't leave the iphone because of the Apple ecosystem. So my question is, if not for the ecosystem, could you see yourself getting a Note over an iphone? The thing is pretty darn impressive and I can only seeing it get better and better in the future.
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The way I see it is like this. Samsung move very quick. Apple does not. The ios has marltured, it matured years ago. So any improvements to the ios in the future in terms of stability will be very small, to the point where you will hardly notice it. Basically, the ios does not have much room left for improvement. It's pretty much peaked. Android on the other hand, can improve. Or Samsung may want to run with its own ios in the future. Who knows? But one thing is for sure, Samsung is hellbent on making the Note line the best smartphone every year. And it's already starting to show. Eventually, given how quick Samsung moves, the experience will catch up to ios. The Note 8 experience I had in the store was 1.000 per cent better than the experience I had with the Note 3. Samsung is working on a bendable screen, for next year. I'm sure if it happens, it will have issues but it won't be too long before they eradicate those issues. Apple on the otherhand, will probably do more to keep people in its ecosystem, some emojis and God knows what else. I don't want to miss out on what what the Note could/will be in the future simply because of apprehension towards Android.
Touchy? Not really, But I am also not the person using full caps in some of my responses to people.
I look forward to testing one out in the future, and hope it doesn't require a full attention, in your face, interaction. May as well stick with a (likely simpler) basic iris scan in that case. Videos I have seen show it working at arms length as well, and it sounds like you can turn down the angle requirement for accessibility reasons too. But, not 100% sure yet.
Back on topic, I don't think there is anything wrong with the S8 outside of my personal gripe with the fingerprint sensor. The size and features, with that quality screen are unmatched on any device on the market. It is a true flagship phone, where many others from other brands don't come close.
Curious how Android hasn't yet peaked, yet Apple has? There are both mobile operating systems that have similar hardware and software limitations.
I'd say as a whole, the smartphone market (in general, and in both camps) has peaked. We now only really see moderate updates year after year. While I agree that Apple does move slower, but, they seem to be a bit more calculated in what they introduce, where Samsung (part of their success) tends to throw everything out there and see what sticks.
All that aside,
As a tech guy, I love both ecosystems, and suggest anyone who hasn't tried Android for a full cycle, should do so. And, say the same to anyone who has never lived or actually tried iOS.
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I meant, Samsung/Android hasn't peaked.
And that's two-fold.
Android gets better with time.
Samsung makes better devices every year.
I agree, Apple is calculated, it restrains itself. But at what cost? There are a group of people out there, myself included, who are tired of its incremental changes and see a Samsung device, for me in particular the Note, as an alternative. 6 years ago I would never have considered another smartphone. But every year the Note gets more and more capable, and for me anyway, more and more compelling. It does more with each iteration and for the amount of stuff it can do, it does it very very well. The way each company is travelling, the Note will be light years ahead of the iphone in 3-4 years time. Apple is just too slow with the improvements. Yea it adds better chips and stuff like that, but for tech guys, you already had a pretty decent chip with the i7. I want more than just incremental chamges, and that's what the Note line does, it offers more, way more. No joke, the ability to customise your homescreen, if just a little bit, and to multitask, should be a given in 2017. Yet Apple does not provide it on the iphone. It's proven it can offer multitasking on the ipad, yet does not provide it on the iphone. Why? I could understand not providing it on a 5S or earlier model, but since the 6 Plus with its bigger screen, it should have been a stock standard feature, and that was THREE years ago. Even the X without bezels won't have it. People don't have to use it, but let them make that choice. We don't have a choice at this stage. Customisation, it's extended to wall papers. And don't get me started on the pen, it opens up a whole new world of features that the iphone simply does not have. I could live with Android for the things I mentioned, and as I said, Android has alot of improvement left in it, that's what I meant when I said it hasn't peaked.
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Hi Koigirl thanks for your insights.
A few questions if I may.
Do you miss ios? Be honest. Are there times when you thought, I wish I was on ios at this monent? Do you find the Note complicated to use and does it lag a lot?
Which of the security features do you use to access your Note? FPS or the two visual ones? Apparently IRIS is not fullproof. Is the FPS, being at the back, something that makes you think you're better off without it?
Is the Note 8 a device you can use on the go with one hand? See when I was playing with it in the store, it was bolted down to a table so it was hard to get a feel for it in those ciircumstances.
And finally, do you ever use your Note and think "alright, I couldn't do this with an iphone", and/or vice versa?
Thanks.
After watching MKBHD's iPhone X unboxing video, I cannot help but think the gestures are quite clunky. Why not just go with virtual keys?
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Much of what you are excited about with the note also existed on earlier versions. The device hasn’t changed much since it was introduced, besides the screen and a sparkle of a few little features here and there.
That aside, Even with your points, I don’t see both ecosystems as anything less than mature no matter how people spin it.
Also, I am not commenting to change your mind. If anything, with your strong feelings about the device I’d say take the plunge and get the note 8.
Being in both platforms, some stuff can be migrated, Apple Music ( including iTunes Match) works fine on android, you can pull photos and other things over too.
I love both android and iOS, for their respective benefits.
Much of what you are excited about with the note also existed on earlier versions. The device hasn’t changed much since it was introduced, besides the screen and a sparkle of a few little features here and there.
That aside, Even with your points, I don’t see both ecosystems as anything less than mature no matter how people spin it.
Also, I am not commenting to change your mind. If anything, with your strong feelings about the device I’d say take the plunge and get the note 8.
Being in both platforms, some stuff can be migrated, Apple Music ( including iTunes Match) works fine on android, you can pull photos and other things over too.
I love both android and iOS, for their respective benefits.
If I was sold on the Note 8 believe me I would not be writing on here. Truth is, I am an iphone user and am being cautious about the android run Note 8. When I played with it in the store, it looked amazing and I was ultra impressed with what it can do. But, I am an iphone user and I know two hours is not enough time to conclude anything. Hence why I started this thread and am asking questions. I am intrigued by the flexible screen though.
I am not sure what your financial situation is, but, if you can afford it, I would look into Samsung's return policy, and buy one for an extended test drive. In my case, my first taste of Android was a used Droid phone, that I rooted and put pure Android on, and did lots of playing. Here and now, I often recommend people buy a cheap Android phone on something like Swappa, and give it a try before they make their decision on a flagship phone. There are many solid devices on that site within the $200 range that will give you a decent taste of what Android has to offer.
But, since you are attracted more to a device than just the Android OS, that may not be a good solution for you, hence my suggesting looking into Samsung's return policy.
In response to OP’s above specific questions:
I don’t miss iOS much because I have a very nice iPad Pro for media consumption. I slightly miss iMessage (less than I thought I would - there are good alternatives) and I do miss Apple News as I haven’t found a truly comparable news aggregator on Android. I’m not sitting around wishing I had never given up my 6s Plus (it’s in a drawer and I could pull it back out if I wanted). Honestly, the Plus looks dated and dowdy with its giant bezels and LCD screen after using Note 8 for a month.
I have not found it difficult to switch. You just have to be willing to learn new ways of doing things and be willing to research/explore settings on the phone and app menus. It’s taken some time but it’s kinda fun and iOS had gotten a little stale and boring IMO. I love being able to tweak so many things in the Android operating system and the apps. I really like the fact I can choose which apps are the default for messaging, email, browsing, mapping, etc.
I have not noticed any stuttering or lags at all. Maybe it’s because the phone is new or bc of the 6GB RAM but that has not been an issue and I was expecting some stutter or lag.
I use iris scanner for the most part as I find it most convenient; it works well for me and I’ve experienced it to be fast and reliable, even in low light. The only limitation I have found with its functionality is when I’m wearing polarized sunglasses.. Iris recognition is supposed to be more secure than Samsung’s facial recognition and you must choose one or the other as the default option at any given time so I choose to use the iris scanner. The fingerprint sensor works pretty well and its rear location is not an issue for me so it is my second option for unlocking my phone. I wish it was located centrally like Pixel’s or LG’s but Ive thought all along that placing the FP sensor on the back actually makes a lot of sense and frees up real estate on the front of the device while still offering the feature. I also like the trusted location feature and use it at home.
I use my Note 8 with both hands most of the time just like I did my 6s Plus. One-handed use for me is no better or worse than my iPhone. I do think it is easier to hold and grip because it is more narrow in width and I find myself less likely to drop it. Maybe a bit more fragile with the curved screen so maybe I’m more careful as well. I definitely use a case and a screen protector as the Gorilla Glass 5 seems very scratch-prone; I got a few micro-scratches on the screen before I installed.a Zagg glass screen protector.
I really like the stylus for quick note-taking. Note 8’s camera is stellar and it also takes absolutely beautiful videos. I do think the iPhone 8 Plus and X probably have equally good camera function at this point. The differences are nil from all the reviews I’ve seen.
I wouldn’t want to talk anyone into leaving Apple or iOS for Samsung and Android if they are truly hesitant. You have to be willing and open to learn and adjust and it’s probably not feasible for some. You have to give it a few weeks at least; the first day or two are a little overwhelming if you’ve never used anything but iOS. I was honestly just beyond tired of Apple’s stingy upgrade strategy (I’m disgusted/exasperated with their Mac strategy as well in the past 4-5 years). I didn’t see any compelling reason to stay with Apple for my phone this year. I was overdue for an upgrade but didn’t think this year’s offerings were compelling. 8 Plus doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade (very dated design) and I didn’t want to be a guinea pig with iPhone X nor put myself on a long list to get one before January/February. Not to mention the ridiculous pricing or that notch. I could well afford the 256GB X model but don’t see the value, at least for me. Maybe next year or the year after, they will come out with a Plus model in the flagship phone, hopefully with a more reasonable pricing structure and then I might reconsider. Years ago, first when I switched to Mac and then when I bought my first iPhone (4), I thought the Apple tax was worth it for truly superior, innovative, and long-lived hardware. I don’t think that’s the case in 2017. I do think I will stay with iPad as Apple continues to make the best tablet. I will see how this year goes with my Note 8 and go from there regarding a phone. But I’m glad I tried this out and may end up staying with Samsung. Right now I am very happy and have no regrets about switching. I will wait and see how well the Note 8 holds up and if I am happy with updates and performance after a year. At least now I feel free to choose whichever phone I think is best when I’m ready to upgrade regardless of whether it’s iOS or Android. I felt like I would suffer greatly if I broke away from the Apple ecosystem but it hasn’t been much of a sacrifice.
I don’t miss iOS much because I have a very nice iPad Pro for media consumption. I slightly miss iMessage (less than I thought I would - there are good alternatives) and I do miss Apple News as I haven’t found a truly comparable news aggregator on Android. I’m not sitting around wishing I had never given up my 6s Plus (it’s in a drawer and I could pull it back out if I wanted). Honestly, the Plus looks dated and dowdy with its giant bezels and LCD screen after using Note 8 for a month.
I have not found it difficult to switch. You just have to be willing to learn new ways of doing things and be willing to research/explore settings on the phone and app menus. It’s taken some time but it’s kinda fun and iOS had gotten a little stale and boring IMO. I love being able to tweak so many things in the Android operating system and the apps. I really like the fact I can choose which apps are the default for messaging, email, browsing, mapping, etc.
I have not noticed any stuttering or lags at all. Maybe it’s because the phone is new or bc of the 6GB RAM but that has not been an issue and I was expecting some stutter or lag.
I use iris scanner for the most part as I find it most convenient; it works well for me and I’ve experienced it to be fast and reliable, even in low light. The only limitation I have found with its functionality is when I’m wearing polarized sunglasses.. Iris recognition is supposed to be more secure than Samsung’s facial recognition and you must choose one or the other as the default option at any given time so I choose to use the iris scanner. The fingerprint sensor works pretty well and its rear location is not an issue for me so it is my second option for unlocking my phone. I wish it was located centrally like Pixel’s or LG’s but Ive thought all along that placing the FP sensor on the back actually makes a lot of sense and frees up real estate on the front of the device while still offering the feature. I also like the trusted location feature and use it at home.
I use my Note 8 with both hands most of the time just like I did my 6s Plus. One-handed use for me is no better or worse than my iPhone. I do think it is easier to hold and grip because it is more narrow in width and I find myself less likely to drop it. Maybe a bit more fragile with the curved screen so maybe I’m more careful as well. I definitely use a case and a screen protector as the Gorilla Glass 5 seems very scratch-prone; I got a few micro-scratches on the screen before I installed.a Zagg glass screen protector.
I really like the stylus for quick note-taking. Note 8’s camera is stellar and it also takes absolutely beautiful videos. I do think the iPhone 8 Plus and X probably have equally good camera function at this point. The differences are nil from all the reviews I’ve seen.
I wouldn’t want to talk anyone into leaving Apple or iOS for Samsung and Android if they are truly hesitant. You have to be willing and open to learn and adjust and it’s probably not feasible for some. You have to give it a few weeks at least; the first day or two are a little overwhelming if you’ve never used anything but iOS. I was honestly just beyond tired of Apple’s stingy upgrade strategy (I’m disgusted/exasperated with their Mac strategy as well in the past 4-5 years). I didn’t see any compelling reason to stay with Apple for my phone this year. I was overdue for an upgrade but didn’t think this year’s offerings were compelling. 8 Plus doesn’t seem like much of an upgrade (very dated design) and I didn’t want to be a guinea pig with iPhone X nor put myself on a long list to get one before January/February. Not to mention the ridiculous pricing or that notch. I could well afford the 256GB X model but don’t see the value, at least for me. Maybe next year or the year after, they will come out with a Plus model in the flagship phone, hopefully with a more reasonable pricing structure and then I might reconsider. Years ago, first when I switched to Mac and then when I bought my first iPhone (4), I thought the Apple tax was worth it for truly superior, innovative, and long-lived hardware. I don’t think that’s the case in 2017. I do think I will stay with iPad as Apple continues to make the best tablet. I will see how this year goes with my Note 8 and go from there regarding a phone. But I’m glad I tried this out and may end up staying with Samsung. Right now I am very happy and have no regrets about switching. I will wait and see how well the Note 8 holds up and if I am happy with updates and performance after a year. At least now I feel free to choose whichever phone I think is best when I’m ready to upgrade regardless of whether it’s iOS or Android. I felt like I would suffer greatly if I broke away from the Apple ecosystem but it hasn’t been much of a sacrifice.
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To put it into perspective, the phone I played with at the store had a price tag on it of $1,499. I live in Melbourne in Australia and everything in this country is expensive. At the end of the day I can afford a new phone but if I am going to buy a phone for that much I have to be 110% certain. Our return policies here are so strict, I didn't even bother asking about what if returning it. And I don't know what carriers are like in other countries, but in Australia they lock you in for 2 years and once you do something even as basic as charge up your phone, let alone use it, they will not allow you to return it even after a day, once you have signed on the dotted line. They love screwing you over. I once had a guy from a call centre at Optus (carrier) tell me he was going to charge me a penalty rate of about $800 because I wanted to exist the contract with 2 months to go. I said charge me the 2 x $60 = $120 that's fine, but no he was adamant that because I breached the contract, he was gonna whack me the full $800. Ridiculous. It was only after I gave him a lecture about contract law and how you can only sue someone to take you to the position you would have been in if not for the breach, did he say "you're too good" and agreed to only charge $120. But that's how they roll here, just looking for ways to screw consumers over. It's a big case of buyer beware in Australia.
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That's a good insight thank you. Like you, I am frustrated by Apple's go slow upgrades. I will probably wait until the Note 9 to make the jump. So glad to hear you're enjoying the Note 8, gives undecided people like me more confidence in making the switch. Cheers.
Oh lord, please STOP to say that Samsung is bloated when you can debloated it as YOU want WITHOUT limits and WITHOUT root and so lost of warranty! Further, you can change the Launcher and experience NO (and I mean ZERO!) lags nor shutters - especially compared to iOS 11. This is my personally experience with the S8 - which I had since one month, since I change after I always had iPhones and iPads from the beginn.
If you don't have personal experience of don't know about what you are saying, just stop to flame trying to justify the buy of "the most expensive, softwarewise old iPhone at all".
Stop with the lies. You can hide a few aspects of the samsung annoyances, but you can't remove them and unless buying an unlocked version, on top of the samsung bloat, you get carrier bloat that you can't remove.
If you cant see Android improving by a larger margin then IOS each year then you need to look harder. Android has been making huge improvements in UI and smoothness each year, iOS on the other hand has hardly changed due to it already being well optimised, actually with iOS 11 its gone backwards lol. Its not hard to see this.
Koigirl pretty said my whole experience also lol.
I'm loving the note but you have to put time into this it isn't an iPhone where you turn on and you know all the features in 10 minutes it will literally take at least a week or researching and getting the basics down. Then over time you find new things daily at least I am. I was overwhelmed at first and was thinking ahh have I made a mistake by switching to Samsung. Couple weeks pass and you learn how to use it and now I am very happy. No features seem like a gimmick to me so far either. I have not even tried face lock or iris yet though I just use the fp unlock which is faster than my previous 7 plus. Easy to reach for me i got big hands. I use this device one handed with ease. If you can one handed use a plus then this will be alot nicer in the hand.
I'm loving the note but you have to put time into this it isn't an iPhone where you turn on and you know all the features in 10 minutes it will literally take at least a week or researching and getting the basics down. Then over time you find new things daily at least I am. I was overwhelmed at first and was thinking ahh have I made a mistake by switching to Samsung. Couple weeks pass and you learn how to use it and now I am very happy. No features seem like a gimmick to me so far either. I have not even tried face lock or iris yet though I just use the fp unlock which is faster than my previous 7 plus. Easy to reach for me i got big hands. I use this device one handed with ease. If you can one handed use a plus then this will be alot nicer in the hand.
Nice. Thanks. I would look forward to getting to know the Note, kinda like a hobby.
I'm not Koigirl, but I think we are on parallel tracks.
The only time I miss iOS has been with Apple ecosystem adjustments. The rest of the family has iPhones and we have an AppleTV which we use a lot. These are all things we are working through. For example, we have a subscription to Apple Music, but I have moved to Spotify and now having the rest of them switch over to Spotify Family. In this case, I like it better than Apple Music. We also had a Family Share in Photos. As of last night we've replaced it with a shared folder in Google Photos which works pretty much the same. On both Android and iOS you can setup Google Photos to mirror all your photos/videos, so its not better or worse... just different. We have a Chromecast and Roku... I just need to move one of them to our Main TV so that I can just as easily stream stuff with it. I do miss iOS for messaging because so many of my family and friends are using iOS and while it works fine for texting, videos especially are degraded to everyone in the group if one person isn't iOS. This isn't a Samsung issue, its pretty much an issue with anyone not on iOS. We use GroupMe for the family and some of our friends, but its just a little less convenient.
I find no lag issues. Just as Koigirl said, not sure if its the 6G of RAM or its new or what, but the things performs great and no issues there. If it ever were to "develop lag", then I'd do some maintenance and/or factory reset. I don't see that as a problem. And my iPhones have always gotten slower with time because of iOS getting bloated with more crap I don't care about. So nothing unique there.
I don't find the Note 8 complicated... complex yes, but not complicated any more than iOS (today). You spend a few hours watching YouTube videos and learn the differences and you are good to go.
For security I use Iris and FPS together. I generally look and touch and its a bit of a race so the first one that clicks wins. There are use cases each is better at. Iris works with me whether I have my glasses on or not, and also in total darkness. FPS on the back is not really significantly better or worse than front. Its not in the best spot on the back, but your finger lands near it naturally. On the front, its very awkward with my 6S+ to use the FPS one handed... that's probably the worse use case for the iPhone position.
The Note 8 is easier for me to use one handed than 6S+, because its slightly narrower and has the FPS on the back (and iris). I do use it that way a lot. But I also use it a lot with 2 hands. No big change there from a plus size iPhone and Note 8. I do use both of them in a case, so that makes the feel very similar.
My main computer is a Surface Pro which also has a pen. So one thing I think "I couldn't do this on an iPhone" is anything pen related. I take a lot of notes in OneNote and now I can take them and edit them on either device, just the same, and go back and forth. The split screen viewing on the Note 8 is really cool to and I don't believe you can still do that on an iPhone.
This is really getting tiring and stale. It was true in older versions of Galaxy... I tried an S5 and hated it. Today, no. There is nothing annoying or bloated about the Samsung experience in my opinion. If you don't like it that's good for you, but to say people are lying that don't agree with you is getting tiring. And you can choose to use or not use if you prefer something else.
I find all the software they've added (which I've used) to be useful and well done. I'm using much of it. Of all things, their browser is not being rated as one of the best on a mobile device.... like we needed another browser. But I'm using it more and more. I did switch to Microsoft's Launcher, which by the way is simple to do and it changes the whole personality of the device. I did this because Microsoft is starting to put in place their integration with Windows in it and it has some useful features. You can't do anything like this with iOS... you are stuck with springboard for good or bad.
In less words, you are calling me ignorant, which may be true in some cases. With regards to iOS releases, I have been on this site since before iOS and Android, and recall quite a few heated discussions regarding software bugs on previous versions of iOS, The bugs outlined in iOS 11 are lesser, and less impactful than some previous releases.
With regards to platforms, both have been improving in different areas since 2007 - 2008. The features added to both have coincided with advances in hardware on the devices as well. Both have also had a fair share of bugs within new releases, this includes Oreo, and iOS 11.
UI has improved greatly on iOS, pick up a device with iOS 7, and compare it to today. Or better yet, iOS 4. Similar can be said about Android. I don’t see vast differences between both platforms in that regard. Quite honestly, I thought older versions of Android were quite stable, depending on what software / bloatware was on any given device.
Once I stripped the Moto and carrier crap off of my first long term Android phone and updated it to 4.0 in (Droid X for the record), I found that Android was a great and stable mobile OS. Mind you, this was running an unsupported version of Android on that device. Regardless, stock android of that day featured lots of the items I liked on my Jailbroken iPhone 4, stock. It also had great battery life, and less reception problems in some areas I frequented for my photography business.
I am really sorry to hear about the purchasing situation in Australia. With that though, if you are on the fence about a new phone, are you able to swap sims into a friends, or a 2nd hand Android device without impacting your Contract? I still feel that giving the device a good daily drive is a worthwhile experience.
Had I not done that years ago, I would likely still be an Apple Zelot that thinks Android is a load of crap
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That's the point. Opinions are different. If you like, cool, go for it. If you find it useful, cool, use it. I don't like it, I don't find a lot of the features useful and unless buying unlocked you get carrier bloat apps that you can't remove. That's fact.
In less words, you are calling me ignorant, which may be true in some cases. With regards to iOS releases, I have been on this site since before iOS and Android, and recall quite a few heated discussions regarding software bugs on previous versions of iOS, The bugs outlined in iOS 11 are lesser, and less impactful than some previous releases.
With regards to platforms, both have been improving in different areas since 2007 - 2008. The features added to both have coincided with advances in hardware on the devices as well. Both have also had a fair share of bugs within new releases, this includes Oreo, and iOS 11.
UI has improved greatly on iOS, pick up a device with iOS 7, and compare it to today. Or better yet, iOS 4. Similar can be said about Android. I don’t see vast differences between both platforms in that regard. Quite honestly, I thought older versions of Android were quite stable, depending on what hardware / bloatware was on any given device.
Once I stripped the Moto and carrier crap off of my first long term Android phone and updated it to 4.0 in (Droid X for the record), I found that Android was a great and stable mobile OS. Mind you, this was running an unsupported version of Android on that device. Regardless, stock android of that day featured lots of the items I liked on my Jailbroken iPhone 4, stock. It also had great battery life, and less reception problems in some areas I frequented for my photography business.
I am really sorry to hear about the purchasing situation in Australia. With that though, if you are on the fence about a new phone, are you able to swap sims into a friends, or a 2nd hand Android device without impacting your Contract? I still feel that giving the device a good daily drive is a worthwhile experience.
Had I not done that years ago, I would likely still be an Apple Zelot that thinks Android is a load of crap
I agree with you... they are both adding features with each release. Anyone should be able to see that. Apple just happens to be spending energy in things that I really could care less about, and that often times seem focused more on teen girls than me. All the emoji animation crap for example. I also don't really have much interest in AR. Its beyond iOS for me though... Apple's direction of travel and my direction of travel have diverged so I'm finding better resonance with a different ecosystem. The good part is that getting out from under Apple's thumb gives you choice and if I go back to Apple in the future for another iPhone, I can still use the more open ecosystem.
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The difference between you and me is that you call anyone that disagrees with you a liar and view your opinion as fact. I view my opinion as opinion, and yours the same. The word "bloat" implies some things that are not valid in my experience on the Note 8.
Im really not calling you ignorant, I just think its obvious Android has been improving at a faster rate and still has alot of improvement left in it. iOS has been stable and smooth for a long time so there was little room for improvement there. The area where iOS can improve is in features and customisation but Apple is very slow to improve these areas. Android on the other hand has had the rich feature set for a long time but are also improving its main weakness which is the smoothness at a fast rate. I would say the software experience on the Pixel 2 is at iOS levels of smoothness and its only going to get better.
Absolutely nothing wrong with choice, and going with what you like! I wish more people did, and were more open to opposing viewpoints and use cases (I could be better at this myself too).
You touched on a point I try to make when consulting customers for my personal IT support business. When going with phones, services, and even IOT. Try to stay with services that are platform independent, or, are offered as additions to both platforms.
Personally I tend to use Google and Apple services that are accessible on both platforms, and my home Automation purchases have been made using the idea that I may want to control it from either Amazon, Android, or iOS. It is harder and more limiting to go that route, but makes sense to me personally.
Thanks for that.
I see your points, and agree with some, but have a different opinion regarding the maturity and scope of improvements overall.
Owning a Pixel 2, I can’t say it has been as stable or smooth as my iPhone 7, nor is it vastly improved over that of my previous 6P in those regards. I encounter bugs in both Android 8.0 and ios 11 that are equally frustrating on a daily basis.
We both just have different viewpoints on this subject, which is totally understandable.
Wrong. If you read my initial post I said "The note looks nice and I debated it heavily. The thing for me is, Android. And on top of that. Touch wiz." To which I was replied to that it can be "debloated," to which I replied it can't. If it can, then prove me wrong. Tell me how to remove the carrier apps and Samsung apps that can't be uninstalled. I'll admit I'm wrong if that's the case, so go ahead.
Exactly... and I will say that at least some part of my straying from the iFlock has been I was getting a feeling that I was at the mercy of a company that I found my needs more and more not aligned with. As much as I'm annoying my family members that all have iPhones, its a bit freeing to realize we are getting a little less locked to one vendor for everything.
A year ago I had:
Home Network - Apple Airport and Time Capsules
TV - Apple TV
Phones - Apple iPhones
Computer - Apple Macbooks and Mac Mini
Tablet - Apple iPads
Music - Apple Music
Today:
Home Network - Netgear Orbi
TV - Apple TV, Roku, and ChromeCast
Phones - Apple and Samsung
Computer - Surface Pro and Macbook (daughter) and Mac Mini (not using)
Tablet - Apple (wife), Fire (granddaughter), and Surface Pro (me)
Music - Spotify