I played with the Note 8, and now the iphone looks blah

[convergent]

I'm still not sure why you're trying so hard to defend your choice to me. This was and always has been about one part of the phone which you've written off and don't notice or care about personally. I've mentioned numerous times that the phone is awesome overall and has many features that will win someone over despite the custom UI. I was never blindly nor intentionally bashing the phone as a whole, let alone anyone for choosing to purchase and use it as their main phone. I'm honestly glad you enjoy it so much and it shows how much their lineup has progressed over the last couple of years.

I'm not really trying to defend my choice... sorry if it is coming across that way. I think its great that we have choices. We live in a great time for this kind of thing. My daughter just bought an iPhone 8 the same week as me and loves it. She got a Fitbit Iconic also and loves that. Neither would be my choice. I may switch back to an iPhone at some point.

I'm just discussing the phone, what I like and dislike about it, and why I chose it. That discussion includes challenging things said that might cause someone else to get an incorrect view of the device if they are trying to decide what to buy. If a shopper sees all these posts about the Note 8 being laggy and bloated, which I completely disagree with, it might cause them to mark it off their list and not consider it. I was honestly expecting that kind of thing since I owned an S5 that found very laggy and just not a great experience to use. I have been very happily surprised with the Note 8. It very well could also have to do what someone is doing with the phone. I don't play a lot of taxing games, so if it drops frames doing that I wouldn't know.

 

[comper]

I'm not really trying to defend my choice... sorry if it is coming across that way. I think its great that we have choices. We live in a great time for this kind of thing. My daughter just bought an iPhone 8 the same week as me and loves it. She got a Fitbit Iconic also and loves that. Neither would be my choice. I may switch back to an iPhone at some point.

I'm just discussing the phone, what I like and dislike about it, and why I chose it. That discussion includes challenging things said that might cause someone else to get an incorrect view of the device if they are trying to decide what to buy. If a shopper sees all these posts about the Note 8 being laggy and bloated, which I completely disagree with, it might cause them to mark it off their list and not consider it. I was honestly expecting that kind of thing since I owned an S5 that found very laggy and just not a great experience to use. I have been very happily surprised with the Note 8. It very well could also have to do what someone is doing with the phone. I don't play a lot of taxing games, so if it drops frames doing that I wouldn't know.

Fair enough. It's in everyday usage situations, not just specific edge cases. I've still been very adamant about stating how good the phone is overall, I was simply making one point about the custom UI and how it still has one or two more steps to take forward to be truly great. I would still highly recommend the phone to anyone that is interested in it.

 

[convergent]

Fair enough. It's in everyday usage situations, not just specific edge cases. I've still been very adamant about stating how good the phone is overall, I was simply making one point about the custom UI and how it still has one or two more steps to take forward to be truly great. I would still highly recommend the phone to anyone that is interested in it.

I'm not trying to convince you, because clearly you don't agree, but I do not see any lag in everyday usage situations. Here is a YouTube video from a guy that claims to have had most prior Galaxies/Notes which ALL lagged and he sees no lag on the Note 8. Comments for this video are all agreeing (that I saw). He has about 97% thumbs up. I find it hard to believe if there were all this lagging that people wouldn't be posting disagreements.

(Just trying to provide information for anyone who might be considering the Note 8. Its not a perfect phone, but this is something that I don't see as an issue.)

 

[rezenclowd3]

^I don't think you understand the lag you are commenting about, nor the dropped frames.
For fun, turn on Developer optons, then enable GPU rendering profile. Any bars above the horizontal line are dropped frames. Compared to Pixel 1 and Pixel 2, it is very obvious.

 

[convergent]

^I don't think you understand the lag you are commenting about, nor the dropped frames.
For fun, turn on Developer optons, then enable GPU rendering profile. Any bars above the horizontal line are dropped frames. Compared to Pixel 1 and Pixel 2, it is very obvious.

I do understand. Its like with image compression where at the display resolution the lost bits are not visible. If I have to turn on a developer tool to tell me something is happening that I can't see, who cares? There countless examples of how these types of things occur in technology... lost packets, visible pixels in displays, etc..

 

[comper]

I do understand. Its like with image compression where at the display resolution the lost bits are not visible. If I have to turn on a developer tool to tell me something is happening that I can't see, who cares? There countless examples of how these types of things occur in technology... lost packets, visible pixels in displays, etc..

You're still just dismissing the whole main point that the Samsung UI is still bloated enough to have adverse effects on performance and just because you or a bunch of people don't notice it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or isn't noticeable by many others objectively. I could cherry pick countless reviews, videos or written, along with comments with people talking about just how much smoother the Pixel operates compared to most other android phones and that is due to not having those frame drops in everyday use - but that still doesn't make the Note 8 a bad phone or "super laggy" or anything like that - but there is a difference and it's because of the Samsung UI.

 

[djkinetic]

Well the oreo beta for the s8 and s8+ came out this morning, installing it now on my s8+, everyone whose installed so far says frame drops/lag is gone in Oreo. guess im about to find out.

 

[convergent]

You're still just dismissing the whole main point that the Samsung UI is still bloated enough to have adverse effects on performance and just because you or a bunch of people don't notice it, doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or isn't noticeable by many others objectively. I could cherry pick countless reviews, videos or written, along with comments with people talking about just how much smoother the Pixel operates compared to most other android phones and that is due to not having those frame drops in everyday use - but that still doesn't make the Note 8 a bad phone or "super laggy" or anything like that - but there is a difference and it's because of the Samsung UI.

I have never used a Pixel, so my primary points of comparison are iPhones and a very laggy Galaxy S5. I don't think I'm cherry picking reviews. I have watched a lot of Note 8 reviews. I don't recall seeing any that say the Note 8 is bloated or laggy. They all talk about it being the exception to a long list of Galaxy devices they've used before. I did find one guy that had turned on that development tool to demonstrate what you are talking about, and its about a minute and a half long with no talking and poorly done. It also is evident that visually nothing is lagging but a little spike in the tracking tool shows periodically.

So let me clarify. I'm not dismissing that you can turn on a development tool and see a dropped frame. I'm dismissing that it matters because the vast majority of the people who are actually using the Note 8 (not the ones just running tests trying to find something to complain about) are unaware of it. If I'm unaware of it, I don't care. I am disagreeing that it is "bloated enough to cause adverse effects on performance". Adverse effects on performance are things that make the device perform in a way I notice to be worse. It is not "adverse" if it is not visible to the vast majority of users. I would call it trivial at best. And if I'm going to label something as bloated, then it means that it feels "heavy, slow, sluggish, etc..". The Note 8 feels very fluid and I would call it light on its feet if anything. So yes, I completely disagree what that qualifier.

 

[adnbek]

Based on what? Be curious to read a comparison study on this. As this has not Been my experience.

I think he means how in Android, it’s the length of the flick that determines how far it scrolls (in some cases can take you all the way to the bottom of a page), while iOS uses inertial scrolling instead meaning the number of flicks is what determines its speed.

What mib doesn’t understand is that these are design choices and have nothing to do with performance.

Personally I prefer the iOS way simply because I find Android’s to be wayyy too sensitive.
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I've never said anything negative about the iPhone display other than that have been slow to get to OMLED.

I won’t bother looking at your posting history to confirm this.... just that I have my doubts.

 

[mib1800]

I think he means how in Android, it’s the length of the flick that determines how far it scrolls (in some cases can take you all the way to the bottom of a page), while iOS uses inertial scrolling instead meaning the number of flicks is what determines its speed.

What mib doesn’t understand is that these are design choices and have nothing to do with performance.

Choice is very important. Because it makes or breaks something. Just like iOS choice to have one central Settings which is a big mess and hassle to access. Or the lack of menu or global back button make many workflows a chore to do. Or the choice of putting (standard) in-app back at the hard to reach top left.

With scrolling whether it is choice or not, if it takes 2 to 3 TIMES more swipes to move the same amount is still a much bigger negative on performance/speed compared to the occasional stutters (which I think is the byproduct of the fast kinetic scroll of Android)

 

[comper]

I have never used a Pixel, so my primary points of comparison are iPhones and a very laggy Galaxy S5. I don't think I'm cherry picking reviews. I have watched a lot of Note 8 reviews. I don't recall seeing any that say the Note 8 is bloated or laggy. They all talk about it being the exception to a long list of Galaxy devices they've used before. I did find one guy that had turned on that development tool to demonstrate what you are talking about, and its about a minute and a half long with no talking and poorly done. It also is evident that visually nothing is lagging but a little spike in the tracking tool shows periodically.

So let me clarify. I'm not dismissing that you can turn on a development tool and see a dropped frame. I'm dismissing that it matters because the vast majority of the people who are actually using the Note 8 (not the ones just running tests trying to find something to complain about) are unaware of it. If I'm unaware of it, I don't care. I am disagreeing that it is "bloated enough to cause adverse effects on performance". Adverse effects on performance are things that make the device perform in a way I notice to be worse. It is not "adverse" if it is not visible to the vast majority of users. I would call it trivial at best. And if I'm going to label something as bloated, then it means that it feels "heavy, slow, sluggish, etc..". The Note 8 feels very fluid and I would call it light on its feet if anything. So yes, I completely disagree what that qualifier.

Haha ok man - you're the perfect example of me saying lag is subjectively experienced but objectively measured. There is lag here and there straight up that you happen to not notice - and it's because of the custom Samsung UI. End of story. You stating you don't care just because you don't notice it disqualifies you from making any sort of judgement call about how others should or shouldn't perceive it, but it's an objective issue nonetheless. You acknowledge that performance issues arise because of the Samsung UI, but literally turn around and in the same sentence say it doesn't classify as having an adverse effect on performance because you personally don't notice it, but maybe you don't notice that contradiction so that doesn't matter either. There's a reason reviewers talk about the Pixel line being a step above almost everything else in the Android world in terms of smoothness. Hint: it's not because of the hardware.

 

[torana355]

Haha ok man - you're the perfect example of me saying lag is subjectively experienced but objectively measured. There is lag here and there straight up that you happen to not notice - and it's because of the custom Samsung UI. End of story. You stating you don't care just because you don't notice it disqualifies you from making any sort of judgement call about how others should or shouldn't perceive it, but it's an objective issue nonetheless. You acknowledge that performance issues arise because of the Samsung UI, but literally turn around and in the same sentence say it doesn't classify as having an adverse effect on performance because you personally don't notice it, but maybe you don't notice that contradiction so that doesn't matter either. There's a reason reviewers talk about the Pixel line being a step above almost everything else in the Android world in terms of smoothness. Hint: it's not because of the hardware.

However due to the extra RAM the Note has it is actually the quicker device in everyday use. The Pixel still runs a little smoother but the difference is negligible. All the extra features more then make up for it imo

 

[comper]

However due to the extra RAM the Note has it is actually the quicker device in everyday use. The Pixel still runs a little smoother but the difference is negligible. All the extra features more then make up for it imo

For sure. I'm not trying to bash the phone as a whole, I'm just trying to make this one point clear but this guy is going to come up with anything he can think of to deny the objective facts as far as redefining terms, readily admitting he is being subjective, being unfamiliar with other current devices, and using very anecdotal "evidence" so I guess it's really not worth it to respond to him anymore. Enjoy the phone, it's pretty awesome overall.

 

[torana355]

For sure. I'm not trying to bash the phone as a whole, I'm just trying to make this one point clear but this guy is going to come up with anything he can think of to deny the objective facts as far as redefining terms, readily admitting he is being subjective, being unfamiliar with other current devices, and using very anecdotal "evidence" so I guess it's really not worth it to respond to him anymore. Enjoy the phone, it's pretty awesome overall.

I agree the Pixel runs smoother then the Note, no doubt about it. All reviews say the same thing. I think all he was saying is the difference is so small that its a non issue in real world usage. I don't even have the Note i own the S8 and even it runs like a dream.

 

[840quadra]

Choice is very important. Because it makes or breaks something. Just like iOS choice to have one central Settings which is a big mess and hassle to access. Or the lack of menu or global back button make many workflows a chore to do. Or the choice of putting (standard) in-app back at the hard to reach top left.

With scrolling whether it is choice or not, if it takes 2 to 3 TIMES more swipes to move the same amount is still a much bigger negative on performance/speed compared to the occasional stutters (which I think is the byproduct of the fast kinetic scroll of Android)

So in other words, you posted based on personal experience. That’s fine, Mine are completely different. I am also running iOS on a 1yo iPhone 7, and a relatively new Pixel 2 running 8.1 every day (for the past couple weeks), and often have them both with me. Not saying I am in any way an expert, but was curious to see if there was some report / study out there.

Where iOS lacks a back button, it quite often has swipe from left. Many apps treat this like a back function now, and it is a feature I miss in Android. Moving to a previous app can be evoked by a quick 3D Touch swipe from the left. Those two actions mirror what the back button does in Android, and, more often than not, there is a Software back button at the top of the screen if you recently linked from one app to another. Not exactly the same as a back button, but iOS and Android both have different UI in some areas, which is common on different operating systems.

With regards to scrolling, iOS seems to honor the momentum of the flick better than Android (in my use). In stock applications, Android is dang smooth at slow scrolling with a consistent frame rate, as well as being consistent with a flick. Once you start to do the same on some 3rd party applications, it seems to drop frames and get a bit more jagged. Comparing scrolling between Firefox and Chrome on my Pixel 2, provides a completely different level of smoothness and consistency. Same two apps on iOS (in addition to Safari) are all consistent in scrolling behavior across the board.

You touched on Settings. Android isn’t any better than iOS in this regard. Where one setting is a breeze to adjust on Android, some others are buried in areas that have little to do what you are searching for. Same can be said with iOS too, but again you claimed iOS is a hassle, when, Android can be just as bad.

One example of something I was struggling with in Android.

I received a notification (that I accidentally dismissed) to setup my phone to respond to “Hey Google”. I wanted this, because I have always thought saying “OK Google” sounded silly to me. In iOS, to adjust / retrain SIRI you do the following;

Go into Settings > SIRI> and toggle “Listen for hey Siri”. .

This toggle will evoke the retrain process.

On Android, you have to do the following to Retrain for OK or Hey google;

Go into Settings > Google > Search > Settings > Phone > Voice Model > Retrain Voice Model

Or

Open the Google App > Hamburger Menu > Settings > Phone > Voice Model > Retrain Voice Model

As I have later learned, There are other ways to do this , and it depends on the version of Android, and sometimes what device you are using.

How is that better faster, more logical, or less of a hassle?

Android Menus are no better or worse than iOS, Windows, Mac OS, Ubuntu, or any other OS. It is all in what you are used to.

 

[mib1800]

So in other words, you posted based on personal experience. That’s fine, Mine are completely different. I am also running iOS on a 1yo iPhone 7, and a relatively new Pixel 2 running 8.1 every day (for the past couple weeks), and often have them both with me. Not saying I am in any way an expert, but was curious to see if there was some report / study out there.

Where iOS lacks a back button, it quite often has swipe from left. Many apps treat this like a back function now, and it is a feature I miss in Android. Moving to a previous app can be evoked by a quick 3D Touch swipe from the left. Those two actions mirror what the back button does in Android, and, more often than not, there is a Software back button at the top of the screen if you recently linked from one app to another. Not exactly the same as a back button, but iOS and Android both have different UI in some areas, which is common on different operating systems.

I am talking about how to navigate between opened apps in a logical manner via the stack and global back button.

A very common use case.
1. You are doing something (say reading e-book). Notification comes in (whatsapp/email/whatever). Say whatsapp
2. Click notification to view message. Inside the message is a web link. You want to see the link before replying.
3. Click on weblink to open web page. Inside the webpage there is also a youtube video
4. Click on video to view.

On Android after I have done with (4), I tap global back button and I am at (3) to finish the article, then I tap back button again and I am at (2) to type and send my reply and then I tap back button which takes me back to what I was doing before in (1).

Using Iphone, you have to use your task manager to switch back and forth to previous app every step of the way and making a conscious effort to remember what you were doing before and which app to move back to up the chain. This is so much more tedious. Imagine navigating web-pages without a "back" and solely relying on "url history"

With regards to scrolling, iOS seems to honor the momentum of the flick better than Android (in my use). In stock applications, Android is dang smooth at slow scrolling with a consistent frame rate, as well as being consistent with a flick. Once you start to do the same on some 3rd party applications, it seems to drop frames and get a bit more jagged. Comparing scrolling between Firefox and Chrome on my Pixel 2, provides a completely different level of smoothness and consistency. Same two apps on iOS (in addition to Safari) are all consistent in scrolling behavior across the board.

I am not talking smoothness. I am talking about output/performance. On android, I just do a 2 or 3 long and quick swipes and I am at the bottom of a long list/page. On iOS you need to do maybe 8-10 swipes before you reach the end.

You touched on Settings. Android isn’t any better than iOS in this regard. Where one setting is a breeze to adjust on Android, some others are buried in areas that have little to do what you are searching for. Same can be said with iOS too, but again you claimed iOS is a hassle, when, Android can be just as bad.

One example of something I was struggling with in Android.

I received a notification (that I accidentally dismissed) to setup my phone to respond to “Hey Google”. I wanted this, because I have always thought saying “OK Google” sounded silly to me. In iOS, to adjust / retrain SIRI you do the following;

Go into Settings > SIRI> and toggle “Listen for hey Siri”. .

This toggle will evoke the retrain process.

On Android, you have to do the following to Retrain for OK or Hey google;

Go into Settings > Google > Search > Settings > Phone > Voice Model > Retrain Voice Model

Or

Open the Google App > Hamburger Menu > Settings > Phone > Voice Model > Retrain Voice Model

As I have later learned, There are other ways to do this , and it depends on the version of Android, and sometimes what device you are using.

How is that better faster, more logical, or less of a hassle?

Android Menus are no better or worse than iOS, Windows, Mac OS, Ubuntu, or any other OS. It is all in what you are used to.

I am refering to bundling APP settings centrally. In android, while in app, I just tap menu-change settings. Thats all. On iphone, you need to get out of app, open Settings and scroll who knows how long to find the settings for the particular app-> change-> re-open app. This is just dumb to the n-th degree.

On your point of deep sub-menu in Android. If that deep sub-menu is one that I used often, I can create a shortcut icon on home screen and with just tap I am there. If you have Samsung you can also do this. In Settings, go to the sub-menu and add as favorite. Next time just tap that favorite and it takes you directly to the menu.

 

[rezenclowd3]

So in other words, you posted based on personal experience. That’s fine, Mine are completely different. I am also running iOS on a 1yo iPhone 7, and a relatively new Pixel 2 running 8.1 every day (for the past couple weeks), and often have them both with me. Not saying I am in any way an expert, but was curious to see if there was some report / study out there.

Where iOS lacks a back button, it quite often has swipe from left. Many apps treat this like a back function now, and it is a feature I miss in Android. Moving to a previous app can be evoked by a quick 3D Touch swipe from the left. Those two actions mirror what the back button does in Android, and, more often than not, there is a Software back button at the top of the screen if you recently linked from one app to another. Not exactly the same as a back button, but iOS and Android both have different UI in some areas, which is common on different operating systems.

With regards to scrolling, iOS seems to honor the momentum of the flick better than Android (in my use). In stock applications, Android is dang smooth at slow scrolling with a consistent frame rate, as well as being consistent with a flick. Once you start to do the same on some 3rd party applications, it seems to drop frames and get a bit more jagged. Comparing scrolling between Firefox and Chrome on my Pixel 2, provides a completely different level of smoothness and consistency. Same two apps on iOS (in addition to Safari) are all consistent in scrolling behavior across the board.

You touched on Settings. Android isn’t any better than iOS in this regard. Where one setting is a breeze to adjust on Android, some others are buried in areas that have little to do what you are searching for. Same can be said with iOS too, but again you claimed iOS is a hassle, when, Android can be just as bad.

One example of something I was struggling with in Android.

I received a notification (that I accidentally dismissed) to setup my phone to respond to “Hey Google”. I wanted this, because I have always thought saying “OK Google” sounded silly to me. In iOS, to adjust / retrain SIRI you do the following;

Go into Settings > SIRI> and toggle “Listen for hey Siri”. .

This toggle will evoke the retrain process.

On Android, you have to do the following to Retrain for OK or Hey google;

Go into Settings > Google > Search > Settings > Phone > Voice Model > Retrain Voice Model

Or

Open the Google App > Hamburger Menu > Settings > Phone > Voice Model > Retrain Voice Model

As I have later learned, There are other ways to do this , and it depends on the version of Android, and sometimes what device you are using.

How is that better faster, more logical, or less of a hassle?

Android Menus are no better or worse than iOS, Windows, Mac OS, Ubuntu, or any other OS. It is all in what you are used to.

Just go to settings, press the search icon and find what you are looking for.

 

[bopajuice]

I shouldn't have to buy a microSD card because Samsung wastes 10 GB more of internal storage compared to the iPhone.

So you whine about having to pay $20 for an SD card for more storage compared to spending $100’s to get more storage with Apple?

 

[convergent]

Haha ok man - you're the perfect example of me saying lag is subjectively experienced but objectively measured. There is lag here and there straight up that you happen to not notice - and it's because of the custom Samsung UI. End of story. You stating you don't care just because you don't notice it disqualifies you from making any sort of judgement call about how others should or shouldn't perceive it, but it's an objective issue nonetheless. You acknowledge that performance issues arise because of the Samsung UI, but literally turn around and in the same sentence say it doesn't classify as having an adverse effect on performance because you personally don't notice it, but maybe you don't notice that contradiction so that doesn't matter either. There's a reason reviewers talk about the Pixel line being a step above almost everything else in the Android world in terms of smoothness. Hint: it's not because of the hardware.

You remind of the photo forum guys that want to argue about lens sharpness between two copies of of a $2k lens that have some minute difference in measured sharpness you can only see if you blow a 24mp image up and look at individual pixels on the screen. I am not a random guy that doesn't see the lag. I've watched a lot of reviews done by experienced reviewers and not seen a single one that says the Note 8 is laggy. The Note 8 is smooth and quick to use. If the Pixel is smoother and quicker... awesome! You don't use language such as bloated, laggy, adverse, etc. to describe something that performs great. It's not an accurate representation.

 

[comper]

You remind of the photo forum guys that want to argue about lens sharpness between two copies of of a $2k lens that have some minute difference in measured sharpness you can only see if you blow a 24mp image up and look at individual pixels on the screen. I am not a random guy that doesn't see the lag. I've watched a lot of reviews done by experienced reviewers and not seen a single one that says the Note 8 is laggy. The Note 8 is smooth and quick to use. If the Pixel is smoother and quicker... awesome! You don't use language such as bloated, laggy, adverse, etc. to describe something that performs great. It's not an accurate representation.

Nope, just the truth which you can't comprehend so let's just end this back and forth and you can keep pretending everything you like isn't capable of any flaws, even minor ones, despite objective facts. Maybe one day you'll have another current device to compare it to and you'll see that the difference is noticeable in everyday use but still not a deal breaker overall as I've repeated several times.

 

[Tsepz]

Having used a Note 8 for a few weeks and an iPhone 6S+ for a few years, I will say that neither is particularly better or worse for the FPS location. If you try to use the iPhone one handed, it is very difficult to activate the front FPS because of the weight of the phone and positioning of the FPS. Likewise, on the Note 8 it is a little too high. What would be perfect on the Note 8 would be to place it just to the side of the Samsung word on the back of the phone, because when you pick up the phone that is naturally where your index finger lands. But they'd have two of them if they did that because for left handed people it wouldn't work being off to one side. I will say that I enjoy having two different biometric means... I have FPS and Retina both turned on and one of the two of them his very quickly nearly ever time. Its not always the same one though. I wouldn't want to go back to having only one or the other which is the way any iPhone works.

Agreed.

I must say I have gotten used to the Note8 FPS, but then again it seems I do have long hands (apparently), so I never struggle, even as I type this I am doing it happily one handed, which is apparently difficult for most to do with this phone.

I'm about 143lbs, and 5ft8, not at all a large guy, but manage fine with my Note8, as I did with my S7 Edge and Note 4

 

[convergent]

Nope, just the truth which you can't comprehend so let's just end this back and forth and you can keep pretending everything you like isn't capable of any flaws, even minor ones, despite objective facts. Maybe one day you'll have another current device to compare it to and you'll see that the difference is noticeable in everyday use but still not a deal breaker overall as I've repeated several times.

Where do you get that I can't comprehend that you can measure what you are talking about and that its there? I have given you several examples of similar things where you can measure a difference, but its not noticeable unless you are setting out to look for it, and in this case using a debugging tool. There are plenty of things wrong with a Note 8... no device is perfect. The Pixel is going to get updates more quickly. The Pixel sounds like it has a better camera. The Pixel runs pure Android if that is your thing. The Pixel is smoother and faster based on what you are saying. I believe you. My only argument with you is that labeling the Note 8 as laggy, bloated, having adverse performance problems, etc.. is not an accurate representation of the Note 8. That was an accurate assessment of the S5. If you have two sports cars and one of them has lap times that are a little faster than the other, it doesn't make the slower car a slow car. It makes one fast, and the other faster. You don't seem to be able to comprehend what I'M saying. Just do a YouTube search on "note 8 review" and you will find plenty of other folks that agree with me. IF my Note 8 develops these adverse performance problems, I'll be happy to update my opinion.

 

[840quadra]

I am talking about how to navigate between opened apps in a logical manner via the stack and global back button.

A very common use case.
1. You are doing something (say reading e-book). Notification comes in (whatsapp/email/whatever). Say whatsapp
2. Click notification to view message. Inside the message is a web link. You want to see the link before replying.
3. Click on weblink to open web page. Inside the webpage there is also a youtube video
4. Click on video to view.

On Android after I have done with (4), I tap global back button and I am at (3) to finish the article, then I tap back button again and I am at (2) to type and send my reply and then I tap back button which takes me back to what I was doing before in (1).

Using Iphone, you have to use your task manager to switch back and forth to previous app every step of the way and making a conscious effort to remember what you were doing before and which app to move back to up the chain. This is so much more tedious. Imagine navigating web-pages without a "back" and solely relying on "url history"

No you don’t have to do it that way on the iPhone, I outlined how it would work above. In addition to what I have already posted, you can also 3D Touch to interact with that message directly within the notification, and if you link out from that to your webpage, iOS will have provided you a back button link at the top of the screen to bring you back to your eBook.

Where iOS lacks a dedicated back button, in most applications I have the ability to swipe back and forward to take me too and from where I was in any given application. On Android I have to rely on the little back button at the bottom of the screen, and can’t use it to go forward again. Those quick gestures are greatly missed when I am using my Pixel. Though with Android, I am sure there is a way for me to install something to enable this, but I am only discussing stock phones with features that ship or are enabled by default.

Also On iOS, the previous app is always a quick 3D flick back, you don’t have to go into the full app switcher as you said above.

I am not talking smoothness. I am talking about output/performance. On android, I just do a 2 or 3 long and quick swipes and I am at the bottom of a long list/page. On iOS you need to do maybe 8-10 swipes before you reach the end.

Got it.

In that case, it goes into what someone else said before, it’s just different, and a difference I haven’t really noticed TBH. Apps I use that require lots of scrolling (on both platforms) give me a way to drag and slide from the far right. I don’t have to sit and flick through hundreds of pages on either platform (again my use).

I will say that it would be nice if there was a global scrolling speed adjustment, I could see value in that, as I often turn it up for trackpad gestures on my Mac.

I am refering to bundling APP settings centrally. In android, while in app, I just tap menu-change settings. Thats all. On iphone, you need to get out of app, open Settings and scroll who knows how long to find the settings for the particular app-> change-> re-open app. This is just dumb to the n-th degree.

Depends on the app on Android. Firefox, a few games I play give me no way to reach the Android settings for that app at all. I have to leave the application to change Notifications, security access, etc for that app.

iOS does lack a way to go direct to core settings, however, it mirrors the Mac in this regard, and hasn’t really ever bothered me. In fact, I often forget about the hamburger menu within apps, and often exit them to change settings.

Fair enough that it’s something you don’t like on iOS, and I can totally see your viewpoint as to why it may bother you how iOS lacks this feature.

On your point of deep sub-menu in Android. If that deep sub-menu is one that I used often, I can create a shortcut icon on home screen and with just tap I am there. If you have Samsung you can also do this. In Settings, go to the sub-menu and add as favorite. Next time just tap that favorite and it takes you directly to the menu.

That is a nice feature. Though, I doubt I would use it much as I don’t often frequent settings after my phone or app is setup.

Just go to settings, press the search icon and find what you are looking for.

Ironically , on a Google phone, when you search for “Assistant” within settings, the only options it gave me was to adjust my active edge settings.

I get the same result when searching for “OK Google”.

Using the Active Edge on my Pixel, and asking it to take me to Assistant settings, gave me web results. Same when I asked To retrain the assistant. I actually used one of the links provided in Assistant, to teach me where to navigate within the menu system to fix this setting.

In Android’s defense, searching for “Hey Siri” gives zero results on that platform. Both could have better search functions within their apps.

 

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No you don’t have to do it that way on the iPhone, I outlined how it would work above. In addition to what I have already posted, you can also 3D Touch to interact with that message directly within the notification, and if you link out from that to your webpage, iOS will have provided you a back button link at the top of the screen to bring you back to your eBook.

Where iOS lacks a dedicated back button, in most applications I have the ability to swipe back and forward to take me too and from where I was in any given application. On Android I have to rely on the little back button at the bottom of the screen, and can’t use it to go forward again. Those quick gestures are greatly missed when I am using my Pixel. Though with Android, I am sure there is a way for me to install something to enable this, but I am only discussing stock phones with features that ship or are enabled by default.

Also On iOS, the previous app is always a quick 3D flick back, you don’t have to go into the full app switcher as you said above.

Doesn't matter whether you are using 3d touch or home to call out tasks that's only good for 2 levels not more.

Got it.

In that case, it goes into what someone else said before, it’s just different, and a difference I haven’t really noticed TBH. Apps I use that require lots of scrolling (on both platforms) give me a way to drag and slide from the far right. I don’t have to sit and flick through hundreds of pages on either platform (again my use).

I will say that it would be nice if there was a global scrolling speed adjustment, I could see value in that, as I often turn it up for trackpad gestures on my Mac.

Not hundred of pages but just tens like in this forum or just a long article. It takes double the number of swipes with iPhone.

Android already have speed adjustment built in. Longer swipe will scroll farther and quicker swipe to increase speed of scroll.

 

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Ironically , on a Google phone, when you search for “Assistant” within settings, the only options it gave me was to adjust my active edge settings.

I get the same result when searching for “OK Google”.

Using the Active Edge on my Pixel, and asking it to take me to Assistant settings, gave me web results. Same when I asked To retrain the assistant. I actually used one of the links provided in Assistant, to teach me where to navigate within the menu system to fix this setting.

In Android’s defense, searching for “Hey Siri” gives zero results on that platform. Both could have better search functions within their apps.

I will probably get flogged for saying this, but diving into settings you don't use often is actually something Bixby is good at.