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mKTank

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rubbish.


that poster is using a two year old phone running a two year old OS (4.1 JB) and in his free time he admits to hacking his phone and installing third party ROMS such as cyanogenmod and god knows what other dodgy software he's been putting on his rooted phone throughout his android years.

i've had a jailbroken iphone and i *know* the risks and compromises that involves. for you people out there who do not jailbreak and see all those lovely screenshots, get this: those people will never tell you how many times a day they need to "respring" their device because something failed to update, sync, or because of a change they needed to do. sure many will tell you it runs buttery smooth until they download 20+ tweaks and apps from cydia and pirated or not many won't play well with their other 19 widgets so they respring, delete, restore, backup, ran ilex rat, rinse repeat.

when i saw the pixel vomit that is iOS 7 and decided i would have none of it i also decided jailbreaking again will not be a option for me.

one of my devices is running an unrooted 4.4 KK android version.

they key, is here:




so the OP couldnt get his heavily modified (and probably pirated) android system to work for years so he turned to iOS... and alas, it worked!

what a surprise...

Sweeping generalizations going on here.

Protip: CM9+ (not nightlies lol) is often way more stable and way faster than stock ROMs. CM and rooting also has nothing to do with piracy; stock Android doesn't stop you from pirating at all anyway. Based on the fact that Android doesn't even put in the smallest effort to stop you from installing any APK you want, Android in general is pirate software. By your logic, of course.
 
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Troneas

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Oct 26, 2011
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At the alternatives section.
Sweeping generalizations going on here.

Protip: CM9+ (not nightlies lol) is often way more stable and way faster than stock ROMs. CM and rooting also has nothing to do with piracy; stock Android doesn't stop you from pirating at all anyway. Based on the fact that Android doesn't even put in the smallest effort to stop you from installing any APK you want, Android in general is pirate software. By your logic, of course.



i know.

but after the OPs opening frenzy and distorted view on reality forgive me if i make my own assumptions about what his phone had to endure.
 

mKTank

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Jul 2, 2010
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i know.

but after the OPs opening frenzy and distorted view on reality forgive me if i make my own assumptions about what his phone had to endure.
He gave his opinion after trying both, that's all. Not everyone will agree with him and that's fine. Nobody's more right than others about what phone's better for them; everyone wants certain things in a phone. That is all.
 

lordofthereef

macrumors G5
Nov 29, 2011
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I have to disagree with this line of thought. I've been jailbreaking since iPhone OS 1, and I've owned rooted and ROM'd Android devices and I have never pirated an app.

I can't speak for the majority either, but I recently jailbroke my 5S and iPad mini just to get XBMC running on the two.

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He gave his opinion after trying both, that's all. Not everyone will agree with him and that's fine. Nobody's more right than others about what phone's better for them; everyone wants certain things in a phone. That is all.

That's 100% fair. But I find it odd that the OP would buy a new Android phone "every few months" in an attempt to "find one that works". I find it odd that the OP just got the iPhone and was able to deduce that this phone will likely work for him for the next 2-3 years, while his Android devices would work for a fraction of that time before all but falling apart.

My recommendation to everyone that has Android gripes is to go stock vanilla. Not a root/rom or anything else. Bone stock vanilla Android coming from Google themselves. If you want to compare Android to an iPhone, THAT is the best comparison. Otherwise all you are comparing is Moto's take on Android, or Samsung's take on Android, etc. For some THOSE are the best choices. But you can hardly pick up a Moto and proclaim Android is a pain (well you can, but I've mentioned the issues with that). You aren't trying only Android here.

It's completely fair to have an eye opening opinion and to share it with the world. But this post really reads rather one-sided, and hard to believe. Doesn't mean it isn't true. But don't be shocked that there are skeptics. We've had these "iOS is the savior of smartphones while Android is nothing but a hot mess" types of posts since, well, Android has been around.

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Sweeping generalizations going on here.

Protip: CM9+ (not nightlies lol) is often way more stable and way faster than stock ROMs. CM and rooting also has nothing to do with piracy; stock Android doesn't stop you from pirating at all anyway. Based on the fact that Android doesn't even put in the smallest effort to stop you from installing any APK you want, Android in general is pirate software. By your logic, of course.

This, however, we can agree on. 100% on the same page as you here. :)
 
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Septembersrain

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I find iOS and Android to be good platforms. Since it's my hobby to modify both though, it's more than obvious that I can easily make them unstable. My venture for pushing the limits has both benefited and frustrated me to no end.

Sure the options are much easier to dabble, without modding, in an Android. However, they are both customizable to a pretty decent extent when rooted/jailbroken.

I have found a comfortable routine between my N3 and 5c. Until I get bored and possibly throw a WP8 in the mix!
 

Smartass

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Dec 18, 2012
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Only a fool would call Android "hell". Android is far from "hell". In my oppinion, it's actually more advanced than iOS.
 

IFRIT

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Oct 15, 2012
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I have a feeling the OP only created the thread to get some slaps on the back from iPhone owners and wasn't really prepared to back up his statements.
 

dasx

macrumors 65816
Jun 18, 2012
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jailbreak your iphone and start playing around with all the cydia tweaks you'll no doubt be tempted to download.


you'll especially like how well widgets work and how smooth many tweaks work with winterboard and its themes..


come back here to tell us afterwards how solid iOS is...

I'm on iOS 7.0.4. Jailbroken. I've got exactly this installed since day 1:
CCSettings: More quick toggles to Control Center.
f.lux: Adjusts light at night.
NoSlowAnimations: Makes animations twice as fast. (You can make them instant, I just like a 0.5 coefficient).
iFile: See file system.

I don't want anything else and I'm not tempted to install anything at all. I jailbreak because I believe there are things I should be able to see/do with MY phone.
 

rockitdog

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Mar 25, 2013
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Really....Android is a complete junkyard of crap compared to iOS. It's not even close. I find it funny that even on the newest flagship devices, there is still a ton of studder and lag. And I just can't get past it, even if I wanted to. It's horrible.

I just love how people leave iOS and love their new found freedom on Android and then you have Android folks who put up with Android for years and then come over to iOS and think it's the greatest thing ever.

Can you give me an example of a currently flagship device that stutters on Android? my 5S has stuttered on me several times FWIW.
 

sulpfiction

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Aug 16, 2011
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I just love how people leave iOS and love their new found freedom on Android and then you have Android folks who put up with Android for years and then come over to iOS and think it's the greatest thing ever.

Can you give me an example of a currently flagship device that stutters on Android? my 5S has stuttered on me several times FWIW.

It's kinda hard to explain. And you may not even notice it if you never used an iOS device. But they all lag just a tiny bit. They are just not as fluid. A tiny delay or "studder". Justr enough to ruin the experience for me. I can't get past it to try and enjoy anything else the OS might have to offer. Which isn't much IMO. Android is just a big unorganized mess at this point.
 

alent1234

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Jun 19, 2009
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I just love how people leave iOS and love their new found freedom on Android and then you have Android folks who put up with Android for years and then come over to iOS and think it's the greatest thing ever.

Can you give me an example of a currently flagship device that stutters on Android? my 5S has stuttered on me several times FWIW.

my S3 used to lag until i installed 4.3 on it over new year's. horrible phone until the 4.3 update
 

rockitdog

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my S3 used to lag until i installed 4.3 on it over new year's. horrible phone until the 4.3 update

I think that's a Samsung thing more than it is an Android thing. Up until ICS, Android was "lagging" behind (pun intended) iOS but now with the exception of a few devices, Android really is on par with the fluidity of iOS.
 

PicnicTutorials

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Dec 29, 2013
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What about the samsung Galexy? That has to be right up there with iPhone? I like that they have an actual file system like a computer. Or at least I think they do - never had one.
 

Dontazemebro

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Jul 23, 2010
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I dunno, somewhere in West Texas
One thing the OP is right about is that android has become more locked down as it has progressed over the years. I think this is his main gripe. Back then you could easily root and accomplish so many things with custom tweaks and ramped up kernels and the development for devices wasn't spread so thin as there weren't so many different devices in play. Nowadays developers move on within a matter of weeks as soon as a new or better device is announced.

It was a joy to toy around with HTC devices like the G1 or Mytouch 3G. Now, nearly every oem is going that extra step to make it twice as hard to unlock bootloaders or get past red flags. I fully understand his complaints but where he fails at is that he refused to upgrade his hardware in the process and has gotten left behind while everybody else has moved on to the next best thing.

You really don't need root any more to accomplish anything with post ics devices. Android is much more streamlined and refined to the point that it's merely a reflexive action when you immediately root and start messing with your device. What really are you trying to accomplish? Processors are already speedy, most games already work flawlessly with the latest handsets. This is the direction they were heading. The do-it-yourself days of Android are really a thing of the past.

Android at this stage of the game is about as plug & play as iOS.
 
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cynics

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Jan 8, 2012
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I enjoyed my time with Android. Just not as much as I'm enjoying iOS.

Different strokes for different folks.
 

Smartass

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Dec 18, 2012
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Lag with Galaxy is more because of that stupid Samsung Touchwiz skin that they add to android. Android on my HTC doesn't lag not one bit. Android lagged like 4 years ago, but not today anymore.
 

jj03

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While i was still using my iphone 4 back in 2012 my friend had a laggy android phone which was so difficult to text, whats app, viber, low battery what not. One day accidently she dropped her phone and it broke, So finally i convinced her to get a 2nd hand iphone till her contract ends. She got an iphone 4 and she instantly loved the iphone, this is was the first time she was using an Iphone. Ever since she stuck to apple phones & last year she got the iphone5. She is very happy with the phone!
 

MaskedCarrot

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Mar 25, 2009
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I'll throw my 2 cents into this as well.

I used iPhones from the original to the 4S. Then I switched to Android. Ive gone through at least 6 or 7 android phones over the last few years, mainly cause I used to work for AT&T and that really turns you into a phone junkie.

My last Android phone before switching over to the 5S recently was a Samsung Galaxy S4.

Samsung's Touchwiz interface is just plain horribly laggy and way over bloated with crap, not to mention all the carrier crap as well. With Android I was always a ROM whore and would always flash various ROMs or constantly be reconfiguring them to get them where I wanted. I finally got burned out with the whole ROM scene big time, and figured I'd switch back to an iPhone. Although I was into ROMs, I wasn't downloading anything pirated or illegal, so the dude who was referring to that must live in a different plain of existence to think that everyone into ROMs or jailbreaking is into pirating stuff.

For around 7 months or so before selling my GS4, I was running vanilla Google's GE ROMs on the phone. They ran fine for the most part, with 4.3 being the best GE ROM in my opinion. 4.4.2 is a really mess and I never really did get it working as well as it should. I think Google has a few more revisions to get KitKat ironed out.

Sure iOS 7.0.4 has a lot of bugs, and it appears that 7.1 cures most of them, but you can't compare 7.0.4 to the mess that Android is. For instance with Android, you can be having battery drain issues, which can be a nightmare to figure out where it's coming from, only to discover after a hours of troubleshooting that you have an app or service which is causing wake locks and the phone isn't going into deep sleep.

And yes I do agree that iOS is so much smoother running on less hardware than a top of the line Android running on hardware that can almost rival some laptops.

Don't get me started on cameras. I have to this date not found an Android phone that has a camera anywhere near as good as this 5S I recently bought. With Android the main issue is shutter lag and proper focusing, which pretty much all of them have to some degree. On my 5S, it takes pictures so fast sometimes I end up taking 2 shots cause I wasn't sure it actually snapped the picture to begin with. :) And the quality and focus of the 8 mp camera is much better than all the 13 mp shooters I see on androids.

I am not an iPhone zealot, but I find it quite refreshing coming back to iOS after a few years with Android. The ONLY issue I have with the iPhones are the small screen sizes. After you use a phone with a 5 inch screen, going to a 4 inch screen is very rough.

Oh and also, I don't know why, but I can type so much better on an iPhone with much less typos even on that small screen. With Android, I've used many keyboards, even the much hyped SwiftKey, but for some reason, maybe it's the touch interface on Android I dunno, but I am far more accurate on iOS.
 
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Apple Trees

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I just love how people leave iOS and love their new found freedom on Android and then you have Android folks who put up with Android for years and then come over to iOS and think it's the greatest thing ever.

Can you give me an example of a currently flagship device that stutters on Android? my 5S has stuttered on me several times FWIW.

Galaxy S3, S4, Xperia Z, LG G2.
 

cynics

macrumors G4
Jan 8, 2012
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Galaxy S3, S4, Xperia Z, LG G2.


I haven't used all those devices but the S4 I used was surprisingly smooth compared to the older Android devices I've used.

I can't say it's impossible to make it stutter and lag but you can make a newer Apple product stutter and lag too.

I think the days of the obvious differences are gone. That's my opinion anyway.
 

CrimsonKnight

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Apr 15, 2013
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I never pirated anything I was installing new roms to try to eliminate bugs like oh... The camera not focusing, Bluetooth dropping after 5 minutes, having to go into deep settings to bring the volume back up after it mysteriously goes to zero every few days for no reason, stuff like that. And I DO have a nexus device which is no better. Wow I had no idea android fanbois (or paid google employees???) trolled here lol!!!

You'd be surprised. :eek:
 

Septembersrain

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Dec 14, 2013
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Know why my Android is better?

I can still find the .apk for flappy birds and since it was a free game, I'm not stealing.

I finally made it to the second pole! YAY!

I'm just being ridiculous.
 

alent1234

macrumors 603
Jun 19, 2009
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Know why my Android is better?

I can still find the .apk for flappy birds and since it was a free game, I'm not stealing.

I finally made it to the second pole! YAY!

I'm just being ridiculous.


I downloaded it to one of my computers
Now its in my purchased list and I can download it any time
 

Septembersrain

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I downloaded it to one of my computers
Now its in my purchased list and I can download it any time

I just have stumbled upon the hilarity that is eBay. People are selling their iPhones for ridiculous prices. I've got that app on my iPhone too under the purchased list. Just thought it was funny that it's easy to still find the app.
 
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