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TacticalDesire

macrumors 68020
Mar 19, 2012
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Michigan
The same arguments that we had in 2009 are still being had in 2014. Amazing.

My take:

Different strokes. Both Android and iOS have their merits and drawbacks. Android does more for me and I may share that opinion but I'm not going to say one OS is definitively better than the other.
 

Krimsonmyst

macrumors 6502
Dec 18, 2012
302
1
I stopped reading at 'Android was most stable, useful and hackable at version 2.3 and has had been becoming progressively less stable and ever more locked down since.'
 

appledes7

macrumors 6502a
Jul 12, 2011
756
0
I bought a Nexus 4 when it came out. I loved it and it replaced my iPhone 4S. I bought a Nexus 5 when it came out and I didn't love it, I liked it. The more I use Android the more I want to switch to iPhone. The "ZOMG it$ s0 cust0miz@ble" feeling is wearing off and I just want something that works and works well. My Nexus 5 does not fit that bill.
 

yinz

macrumors 6502a
Apr 12, 2012
641
5
The same arguments that we had in 2009 are still being had in 2014. Amazing.

My take:

Different strokes. Both Android and iOS have their merits and drawbacks. Android does more for me and I may share that opinion but I'm not going to say one OS is definitively better than the other.

I agree with this guy. I switched from an iPhone 4S to a moto x.

I haven't customised my moto x at all outside of changing the wall paper and the placement of the icons. I have to say, that I am not hating it. Somethings are annoying like the lack of an undo feature or minor redundancies in back buttons, but I can live with these differences. The larger screen is nice and the swype style keyboard is pretty awesome for one handed use. I think it's all about getting used to the differences.
 

Lloydbm41

Suspended
Oct 17, 2013
4,019
1,456
Central California
Only thing I want to know is why this is in the Alternatives part of the forum?

Shouldn't the "OMG, iPhone is the best thing since sliced bread and Android sucks" be in the iPhone section, or better yet, the Wasteland section?
 

Fanaticalism

macrumors 6502a
Apr 16, 2013
908
158
Only thing I want to know is why this is in the Alternatives part of the forum?

Shouldn't the "OMG, iPhone is the best thing since sliced bread and Android sucks" be in the iPhone section, or better yet, the Wasteland section?

This started out in the iPhone section and I believe the moderators moved it here for so unassuming readers can get both perspectives.
 

Oohara

macrumors 68040
Jun 28, 2012
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What I find most interesting and most telling is that no one on the Android forum disagreed with me.

Hmmm...everything you say must be true then. Oh wait, what's that? You posted on the second page in a thread which most people won't ever bother to open unless they are particularly interested in the Razor i?

Grow some balls and go make it a thread of its own in XDA Android general, just like you did in the iPhone forum here. Then come back and tell us how that went. :D

Oh, and be sure to include your random boogeyman accusations too, I'm sure the XDA crowd will appreciate them just as much as the iPhone enthusiasts here do!

I've watched in horror as android and the Android app ecosystem has become a bug ridden laggy crashy malware adware spyware filled unholy mess over the last 12 months, as bad as Windows 98/XP ever was.
 

sammy-boy

macrumors regular
Nov 2, 2013
183
0
Staffordshire, UK
Both ecosystems have their good and bad points. I use both, find Android a little more buggy but there's not much in it, though it's more customisable than iOS.

I left Android for a short while then regretted it - but love my iPhone 5 too.
 

LSUtigers03

macrumors 68020
Apr 9, 2008
2,089
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Galaxy S3, S4, Xperia Z, LG G2.

Any stuttering on a Samsung device is the fault of Touchwiz not Android. Android by itself is very fast. Use the Moto X or Nexus 5 and you'll see how well Android runs when it isn't bogged down by useless crap. As for the LG G2 I used one for a few months and it was an extremely smooth experience.

On the other side of the fence the springboard crashes on my 5s at least 2 or 3 times a week. I've never had an Android device crash on me like the 5s has and through 4 updates it still isn't fixed.
 

DeathTheKid

macrumors member
Aug 12, 2013
77
1
In general, when you Jailbreak/Root any phone and start piling on the tweaks, you start running into problems. I have had so far in terms of mobile devices: the HTC Evo, Samsung Galaxy S2 Epic, HTC Arrive (WP7), iPad 1, iPad 3, Nexus 7 (1st and 2nd Gen), and the iPhone 5.

Every device that I have had has been Jailbroken at some point. With IOS, I have had apps such as iBooks just not work, Springboard going strait into safe modes and not able to get out. With Android, I have had plenty of freezes and crashes after flashing different ROM's and Kernals.

The trick is to apply one tweak at a time, test it and then apply another tweak. I know it's pretty tempting to just go berzerk and download 20 root apps or Cydia packages. But, if you actually take the time to incrementally modify your system, then that will save you a lot of headaches.

Also, I personally would not use Nightlies or Betas of anything as my daily driver. Those are released to find bugs, because the developer is very uncertain about how stable the app really is.
 

LIVEFRMNYC

macrumors G3
Oct 27, 2009
8,878
10,988
I've had my iPhone 5s for about 3 months now and absolutely LOVE it. You folks that have never used Android have no idea what a hellish mess it has become. Two years ago, I never would have believed I would make this post, but here is a reprint from the last Android forum I used to frequent, until ultimately and as usual I was immediately abandoned by Google and Motorola at the moment of purchase.

Reprint from here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2597116&page=2


For those of you that don't know, the "RAZR i" is a miniaturized RAZR just about exactly the same size as a iPhone 5.



What I find most interesting and most telling is that no one on the Android forum disagreed with me.

Oh yea, ***** you Google.

So let me get this straight .........

You wrote a SAFE "I'm really not trying to troll here" experience on XDA, then come into Macrumors to copy and paste it along with "Oh yea, ***** you Google".

Now your trying to say "Wow I had no idea android fanbois (or paid google employees???) trolled here lol!!!".

Why did you just show your true colors in XDA? Oh, yea ... Cause they would banned the crap out of you for trolling. ;)
 

ReallyBigFeet

macrumors 68030
Apr 15, 2010
2,956
133
I switched full time to a Galaxy Note 3 last October. I had a very rough transition mainly due to faulty hardware and it took several swaps to get a stable unit. Once it has, however, I've generally been happy with this is as my primary device. I still carry an iPhone but rarely use it any longer other than for a few iOS specific apps that don't exist on the Android.

I don't know I'd call Android "hell" but there are some very big differences in the overall user experience model that don't get a lot of play from the fanbase.

-You are your own systems administrator. Let that sink in for a minute. Sure, there are some support forums out there, but there are SOOOOOO many different models of units, plus the whole rooting scene, that its damn near impossible to find someone with your EXACT same configuration. So troubleshooting issues takes a LOT of work. A LOT. Let me put it this way....these devices have a "SAFE" boot mode for a reason. You'll be using it at some point in time. If you aren't comfortable self-helping software conflict issues, this will definitely drive you to believe you've entered smartphone hell.

-Even with SAFE mode as a troubleshooting aid, there are apps out there that flat out will kill the experience. If you never, ever mess with the stock Android manufacturer experience you'll likely never have a problem. But start downloading those little tweak apps like alternative launchers, cool looking widgets, etc. and there's a high probability you'll break something. Not in a hard-brick kind of way but in a "Why did that other app suddenly stop working" kind of way. This is the price you pay for ultimate customization....you must take on the support consequences as well. At least three times now I've installed apps that disabled my stylus input on the N3, and more than a few times I've installed apps that killed my alarm clock. Then there's the ever popular "Sorry but App X has stopped working...." that pops up with some degree of frequency. Android is a lot like Windows in this regard. You can do almost anything...but at somewhat of a risk to overall stability of the system. Stay stock, however, and only install apps that don't mess with the core experience (good luck deciding which ones do/don't) and you may never experience this.

-Troubleshooting is not only a self-managed affair, but its largely trial and error. Install an app. Wait 48 hours to see if phone stabilizes. If it does, install your next one. If you install 5-7 apps a day good luck untangling which one(s) are conflicting with each other and causing the stability issues. iOS apps aren't perfect, but given how the OS works, they aren't permitted to barf all over each other either. They get pulled quickly if they do. Its the difference between curated and no-mans-land.

Other than the self-support issues, its not hell. Maybe not heaven either, but certainly not hell.
 

rockitdog

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2013
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I'm a non-jailbreak, non-rooting, non-rom flashing cell phone user for better or for worse. I like to use phones that are fluid and that give me the ability to customize my device to my needs within the manufacturers guidelines for better or for worse. That being said, Android is what currently fits that bill. The fact that iOS is still basically rows and rows of icons that have to be clicked on in order to access information is outdated and frustrating as can be. Widgets are awesome, I can look at information from multiple apps at the same time without having to leave my home screen and to me that is awesome! iOS still refuses to get onboard with NFC which also annoys me. Things like isis are just becoming more and more popular. I really hope that iOS/ iPhone will begin offering modern sized devices and more updated software/ hardware with the next version of iOS and iPhone.
 

AppleRobert

macrumors 603
Nov 12, 2012
5,729
1,133
I'm a non-jailbreak, non-rooting, non-rom flashing cell phone user for better or for worse. I like to use phones that are fluid and that give me the ability to customize my device to my needs within the manufacturers guidelines for better or for worse. That being said, Android is what currently fits that bill. The fact that iOS is still basically rows and rows of icons that have to be clicked on in order to access information is outdated and frustrating as can be. Widgets are awesome, I can look at information from multiple apps at the same time without having to leave my home screen and to me that is awesome! iOS still refuses to get onboard with NFC which also annoys me. Things like isis are just becoming more and more popular. I really hope that iOS/ iPhone will begin offering modern sized devices and more updated software/ hardware with the next version of iOS and iPhone.


Same here.

In order:

Samsung Intercept II
HTC Rezound
HTC One
Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Moto G

I have never felt the urgency with any of these to throw them against a wall declaring android phones are a piece of crap. All worked very well for me and I never have felt sorry whatsoever that I bought any of them.

While more OS related than the hardware, isn't Apple going backwards? How many couldn't wait to move away from IOS 7 within days after they installed it? I rest my case!! :)
 

Hastings101

macrumors 68020
Jun 22, 2010
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jailbreak your iphone and start playing around with all the cydia tweaks you'll no doubt be tempted to download.


you'll especially like how well widgets work and how smooth many tweaks work with winterboard and its themes..


come back here to tell us afterwards how solid iOS is...

When I had an iPhone 4S it was jailbroken and it ran much more smoothly than my supposedly better HTC One X+ could ever dream of while having several tweaks installed just to make iOS bearable to use. I don't know what you do to your jailbroken iPhones but you're doing something wrong. Same for flashing Android ROMs; you should never have an issue as long as you review a ROM before you install it and follow proper flashing procedure.
 

sparky08

macrumors regular
Sep 11, 2013
136
42
But with the update to 4.1 on my RAZR i, I could no longer WIFI tether (it could tether with 4.0 but then Moto locked out tethering HARD and no one has figured a way around it) and that just made me really POed. .

So, you want tethering w/o paying for it. How is an iPhone better for this?
 

rockitdog

macrumors 68030
Mar 25, 2013
2,724
1,241
Same here.

In order:

Samsung Intercept II
HTC Rezound
HTC One
Samsung Galaxy Note 3
Moto G

I have never felt the urgency with any of these to throw them against a wall declaring android phones are a piece of crap. All worked very well for me and I never have felt sorry whatsoever that I bought any of them.

While more OS related than the hardware, isn't Apple going backwards? How many couldn't wait to move away from IOS 7 within days after they installed it? I rest my case!! :)

If apple offered a 4.5" display I'd still be using an iPhone today.
 

verpeiler

macrumors 6502a
May 11, 2013
717
971
Munich, Germany
In my experience, it is, like most third-party Android launchers, a buggy, useless mess that is only useful for tinkering.

The stock launchers are fine.

Unless you have a Samsung device. Touchwiz is a buggy, useless and laggy mess. Sense, the new Sony launcher and LG are fine. Dunno about other devices.

But to say third-party launchers are bad, you are plain wrong.
 
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