People ARE only buying one. And they’re buying iPads by a wide margin. It’s not even close. Some people are buying both for whatever reason, but the majority are buying an iPad and doing with it what they USED to do with some kind of Mac.
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I think I've had a change of heart on the ARM Macs.
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Not so maybe that was true before M1 Macs but after M1 the Mac sales and revenue was higher than iPad.
M1 makes the Mac more iPad like in the sense that it gives the Mac more battery life, more snappiness and quiet/silent operation.
Tim Cook even said more and more people are buying M1 Macs.
SMH this has been discussed ad nauseam by people on this forum and by Apple themselves.
Apple has stated time and time again the two lines are not merging into one. Mac had their best sales record in history in 2020 and Apple has invested heavily into Mac recently. The only real market overlap for iPad and Mac is the MacBook Air, but there are still so many reasons why someone would buy one vs the other.
In reality they both can and do exist for different types of users. iPad is not going to canabalize Mac anytime soon because of IO, ram, storage, screen size, OS, application support, and many other reasons.
Haha .. not going to happen. If you think it is, then good luck with that.
of course there is right click for iPadOS. Have you even used it?
REVENUE was higher, generally because Macs cost more. When you look at the breakdown and see that iPad revenue was a slightly lower percentage than Mac, that means that at a unit level, Apple sold FAR more iPads than Macs.
Also, for the past few years, Apple has sold more iPads than HP and Dell have sold laptops. For Apple to sell more laptops than the iPad, they’d have to FIRST sell more than HP and Dell, and they haven’t.
He did NOT say that people are buying more Macs than iPads. He’d never say that because it’s not true. He might have said that people are buying more M1 Macs “than ever before”, though which would be true.
I didn’t say anything about them merging.
The market overlap for iPad and Mac is pretty much 90% of what your average person uses a computer for. Email, surfing the web, creating content, watching videos, editing pictures, etc. Any list of things the iPad can’t do include things thatthe vast majority of folks looking at iPads as an option don’t NEED to do. So, when looking at $349 for an iPad or at least $999 for a Mac, there’s no contest.iPad is ALREADY cannibalizing the Mac. Parents who needed to get a Mac to keep in touch with family in the past can now do so with an iPad. No, Grandma can’t load VM’s, can’t run Xcode, can’t install apps from outside the App Store.Nevertheless, her use of the iPad isn’t hindered one bit as a result.
Like this one! There is a thread here about how MR is chewing through people's battery life. Look at the Privacy Report and I'll bet you see MR at or near the top of your list of trackers blocked.
Of course there is right click, if you count long press as right click.
Here, tell me how to look up a word during typing using the keyboard. I haven’t found a way using the magic keyboard case yet. I’m all ears.
And, my thoughts evolve as situation goes. I can throw away todays opinion as fast as The blink of an eye.
Two finger tap on the word brings up the contextual menu, and then tap “look up”. That one?
Correct for the average consumer which is why I said the market overlap is mainly with the MacBook Air (the average consumer device). People who get an 8-core MacBook Pro, or a beefed up imac, or the higher-end mini - those people generally are doing much more than what you said.
For example, anyone who works as an audio engineer, video editor, UI designer, animator, architecture, graphic design, etc. all need an actual computer. Sure some graphic designers may ALSO have an iPad, but nobody I know uses that exclusively because the iPad is limited in many ways. That’s what the large iMac is for. That’s what the 16” MacBook Pro is for. That’s what the Mac Pro is for. These all cater to prosumers and professionals - not your average consumer.
Even people who don’t work in these fields professionally that I know want an actual computer. Sure you can get the magic keyboard for iPad, but for many that I know, they prefer the ergonomics of an actual laptop.
So if your point is that iPad is going to take over the Mac or somethings it’s just not true. Even if you had Mac OS on the iPad there’s still many reasons why people buy laptops and desktops that people prefer or simply need compared to an iPad.
Right click on a track pad? Because, that’s how it’s been for macOS trackpads for years.Yes.
That’s unintuitive.
I always use right click on Mac.
If Apple’s past numbers hold (paraphrased from DaringFireball), 15 percent of all Mac users use at least one “pro” app frequently (music creation, video editing, graphic design, and software development). An additional 15 percent of Mac users use pro apps at least a few times per month. That 30 percent of the overall Mac user base is what Apple considers the “pro” market. This means that 70% of the people, REGARDLESS of what they actually buy, an Air, a MacBook or a MacBook Pro, an iMac, are NOT using it professionally. 70% of the Macs sold LAST YEAR could be replaced with an iPad tomorrow and the users would, most likely, just learn how to check email a different way.
There was a point where it was clearly understood that Apple was in the server market, they had server customers with server needs, they wouldn’t leave them behind would they? Apple made a decision that the consumer market, with their millions upon millions upon millions of users was far more valuable to them that their entire server market.
Sure an audio engineer, video editor, UI designer, animator, architecture, graphic design, etc. all need an actual computer, BUT there’s no guarantee in the future that a Mac will be that computer. A lot of high end applications in the fields you’ve mentioned above are already Windows only. If every architect stopped using Apple devices tomorrow, 100% of them, the number of folks that buy a new Mac this month OR a new iPad would eclipse whatever losses Apple might have seen.
You can do a two finger secondary click on the trackpad if that is enabled in settings.Yes.
That’s unintuitive.
I always use right click on Mac.
If you attach/pair a mouse, right click can act as a secondary click - it is in the settings.
Oh. Been using Mac for a few years and always used right click to right click on trackpad, even a bit of haptic for lookup, but never did that before.
The gpu is definitely not crap. it outperforms a GTX 1650 which is a dedicated desktop card, and not a horrible one.
Of course its no high end gaming card but this is by *far* the best graphics in any device of this category.
Great subject for me (market watcher).
You are correct regarding revenue but I don’t (?) think it’s true for unit shipments. The average price per unit will see Mac larger than IPad.
-iPad did see a modestly bigger percent growth Q2 YoY than Mac.
-Tim Cook did note Q4, Q1, Q2 together saw the best Mac sales in Apple’s history. M1 caused it? If Mac stays high Q3, it’s M1 for sure.
-Q1(the 2020 holiday quarter): Mac revenue (8.7 B) and IPad revenue (8.4 B). Mac increased revenue over a holiday Quarter. 8.4 vs 9.1 WOW!!
-Interesting item: Q2 wearables, home, accessories 7.8 B. This category equaled IPad revenue. Apple Watches must be a solid 24karat gold smash hit. (Im assuming AP, ATV and cables couldn’t come remotely close to bringing in those numbers).
Q2 2021 total 89.6 Billion
Q2 2021 by sector (versus Q2 2020)
iPads $7.8 billion (from $4.4 billion)
Macs $9.1 billion (from $5.4 billion)
iPhones 47.9 Billion
Wearables, Home, Accessories 7.8 Billion
Services 16.9 Billion
Fiscal highlights
-Apple has a chance at 400+ billion in sales for fiscal 2021.
-Wearables and Services are the only two sectors that have seen unending growth QoQoQ etc. Looking at these two on a graph, wow!.All upward every quarter. it’s clear to see why the competition and the Anti Apple crowd are going after App Store and sideloading. Those hit right at the incredible services sector. That kind of revenue trajectory frightens them. Several more years of that growth(though unlikely) and Apple will be both the largest Cons. Electronics company and the largest services company. But no worries with Google, it will still retain its crown as the biggest Advertiser company.
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The Mac is the core of the ecosystem for many users like me. I need Mac and it’s fully functioning OS for work. Take that away and the ecosystem collapses like a house of cards.
Forget about the title of this video, watch it and you will understand why 8GB of unified RAM in an M1 chip cannot compare to 8GB of non unified RAM in a PC or Intel Mac.
It's impossible to say what it would compare to, but 16GB would be the closest answer.
Or you might as well watch the real thing if you have more time :
https://developer.apple.com/wwdc21/10153
It's impossible to say what it would compare to, but 16GB would be the closest answer.
Or you might as well watch the real thing if you have more time :
https://developer.apple.com/wwdc21/10153
Ah, I’m going to have to check to see what it’s defaulted to.
I know at one point, they introduced Tap-to-Click and the gestures to support it (including three finger dragging). It allows me to use two fingers everywhere on the trackpad instead of specifically having to click the “right” side of it.I love M1 Macs. IMO they currently, and for the foreseeable future, offer the best dev hardware (I don't edit/publish videos). Of course I will continue to use them.
I also have a similar "Sword of Damocles" feeling/fear of Apple getting in my way in the name of security/arrogance/repairability lip service/sherlocking/service overreach - and I hope other orgs will be able to successfully compete against them and use Apple's own weaknesses against them, just as Apple uses privacy to expose weakness in others.
The GPU is not dog crap. It is in its prime.
Bought two MacBook Airs, one for my wife and one for myself. It hurts, but we of course maxed the RAM out to 16GB. The way I see it, if you are a busy multi-tasker, you simply have to.
Worst thing about Apple to me is that they really undersell you on the RAM and charge a lot to upgrade it. And it's the single most important thing I think you can use more of to get longer work life from a Mac.
The wife is a professional composer, and she does her own publicity for it. She's in and out of Adobe all day, as well as getting into Reaper as her DAW. It's been flawless. It edits Photoshop, music, and does video editing.
The problem is we're looking at technology for GPUs that is very advanced. Obviously we're not going to squeeze Nvidia 3090s on these machines. But the need for high-end GPUs is so very, very, very niche. These accomplish the biggest need for GPUs on an ultrabook-sized laptop. It gives proper hardware acceleration to production tasks, and I can zoom or watch youtube without it sounding like a jet turbine or scorching my lap. which is more than I can see even for the current 11th gen Intel laptops or Macs from even a couple of generations ago. This Air is a better pro production machine than anything not in a bigger, heavier chassis. And it doesn't even have fans!
GPUs certainly are needed for higher-end video and effects rendering. And that's not nothing. And it is a terribly frustrating time for professionals as the supply is completely constrained by people "mining" their ephemeral Dunning-Krugerrands.
Gaming is incredibly frustrating, too. But I'm also maybe a typical Mac user in that I can take or leave most gaming. (I was getting into Warframe with my 1060 card up to a couple of years ago.) But the high-end cards in short supply, and top-tier games requiring so much beef for rendering AI in blades of glass and light reflections, as well as consoles now in short supply, gaming really is in gut-check time. I actually think the M1 points to a fantastic future for gaming. Not necessarily on Macs, but possibly there, too. But the efficiency of ARM is now so proven, we're going to see AMD and Nvidia race very hard to use the big-little processor utilization in ARM or ARM-style chips. The fact that a game actually optimized for the Mac M1 can look just fine (like WoW?) means that this is just the beginning of some great things for this design.
Bought two MacBook Airs, one for my wife and one for myself. It hurts, but we of course maxed the RAM out to 16GB. The way I see it, if you are a busy multi-tasker, you simply have to.
Worst thing about Apple to me is that they really undersell you on the RAM and charge a lot to upgrade it. And it's the single most important thing I think you can use more of to get longer work life from a Mac.
The wife is a professional composer, and she does her own publicity for it. She's in and out of Adobe all day, as well as getting into Reaper as her DAW. It's been flawless. It edits Photoshop, music, and does video editing.
The problem is we're looking at technology for GPUs that is very advanced. Obviously we're not going to squeeze Nvidia 3090s on these machines. But the need for high-end GPUs is so very, very, very niche. These accomplish the biggest need for GPUs on an ultrabook-sized laptop. It gives proper hardware acceleration to production tasks, and I can zoom or watch youtube without it sounding like a jet turbine or scorching my lap. which is more than I can see even for the current 11th gen Intel laptops or Macs from even a couple of generations ago. This Air is a better pro production machine than anything not in a bigger, heavier chassis. And it doesn't even have fans!
GPUs certainly are needed for higher-end video and effects rendering. And that's not nothing. And it is a terribly frustrating time for professionals as the supply is completely constrained by people "mining" their ephemeral Dunning-Krugerrands.
Gaming is incredibly frustrating, too. But I'm also maybe a typical Mac user in that I can take or leave most gaming. (I was getting into Warframe with my 1060 card up to a couple of years ago.) But the high-end cards in short supply, and top-tier games requiring so much beef for rendering AI in blades of glass and light reflections, as well as consoles now in short supply, gaming really is in gut-check time. I actually think the M1 points to a fantastic future for gaming. Not necessarily on Macs, but possibly there, too. But the efficiency of ARM is now so proven, we're going to see AMD and Nvidia race very hard to use the big-little processor utilization in ARM or ARM-style chips. The fact that a game actually optimized for the Mac M1 can look just fine (like WoW?) means that this is just the beginning of some great things for this design.
MacOS is not going anywhere....
And while we are at it these are Apple Silicon not "ARM". Or call it M Series or M1. ARM gives the false impression that these are Cortex based when they are not at all.
GPU wise M1 is way faster than any other iGPU. Put up against dGPUs it is about 80-90% the performance of the GTX 1650 while being at a tiny fraction of the TDP. It also has a lot of specialist blocks (like the 16 core ML block) that do not exist in regular PCs.
Sales wise Macs are up 94% year over year at this point, and yes it is M1 since a LOT of it is massive jumps in sales of MacBook Airs and MBP 13s. I suspect when next they show numbers the iMac 24 is also going to be a huge seller as it is becoming very difficult to obtain.
I do wonder why MacRumors did not give more coverage to TSMC announcing changed priority in chip production with the top slots being Apple and automobiles?
And while we are at it these are Apple Silicon not "ARM". Or call it M Series or M1. ARM gives the false impression that these are Cortex based when they are not at all.
GPU wise M1 is way faster than any other iGPU. Put up against dGPUs it is about 80-90% the performance of the GTX 1650 while being at a tiny fraction of the TDP. It also has a lot of specialist blocks (like the 16 core ML block) that do not exist in regular PCs.
Sales wise Macs are up 94% year over year at this point, and yes it is M1 since a LOT of it is massive jumps in sales of MacBook Airs and MBP 13s. I suspect when next they show numbers the iMac 24 is also going to be a huge seller as it is becoming very difficult to obtain.
I do wonder why MacRumors did not give more coverage to TSMC announcing changed priority in chip production with the top slots being Apple and automobiles?
Hell yeah, coming from a 16" this iGPU is just absolutely amazing.
Looking forward to see the new Air redesign without a doubt