Yeah. Internal design from OEMs for Enterprise/Professional type desktops/workstations/servers is very good from the angle of "servicability" these days.
Hell, the Dell Latitude laptops are pretty darn easy to work on these days, as well.
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Yeah. Internal design from OEMs for Enterprise/Professional type desktops/workstations/servers is very good from the angle of "servicability" these days.
Hell, the Dell Latitude laptops are pretty darn easy to work on these days, as well.
Well, I'm just going off what Apple Prices are vs most OEM Prices, and GAMEPC is a very high end work station brand, there are other brands that will give you the same specs for alot less, tho I like Quailty Products, Im due for a New WorkStation at work in a few months, I'm gunning for a Gamepc, tho I doubt I'll get one lol.
My point is, I went around on the Mac Website, decked out a Mac Pro, the 12core of course, and if we are going Company vs Company prices. The Mac Pro I built came out to about 12,500. And isn't worth 12,500. I mean yeah sure I could buy a Baseline 12 core, and upgrade it myself. But it still perform worse, No USB 3.0? No SATA 3? Only room for One GPU? Pass. Doesn't it also only have 4 drive bays?
Its still an awesome Machine, its just really overpriced for what it is. And I know some of the stuff I've linked is pretty insane, but some people in my department literally need machines like that.
I'd like to see two or three different types of mac pros. Like how there is the regular and server mac mini. Gaming friendly, professional friendly, and server. I really want to buy a mac with the ivybridge refresh, but I'm worried there just isn't a mac for me. I want a mac for two things: development (Ruby on rails, and iOS) and Diablo 3/WoW. This would make my current desktop unnecessary, as it stands I'm probably going to end up having to get a mac mini and just using it for development, then going to my PC whenever I want to have fun.
Because last year they couldn't get any work done on 5-10% less power with probably the exact same software?
I kid, I kid.
Because last year they couldn't get any work done on 5-10% less power with probably the exact same software?
I kid, I kid.
I'm not talking about current performance levels, I'm talking about some people ( Mac only people mostly ) thinking that a Mac Pro is the end all be all of work stations, then see some that go for 15-25K. I've seen some go for up to 40. In the companies Ive worked in over the years. So whenver I show someone a work station like the one I linked, I always get " well who would ever need something like that ". I can think of a number of professionals who do.
And Im not sure what you were getting at, but a high end work station is WAY more than 5-10% faster than I high end mac pro lol
Never seen a game friendly + professional friendly workstation unless it's custom built running windows.
Congratulations, you just way overpaid for 2 year old hardware (but not like you had much choice if you need OSX in a stable supported platform).
As to video editing on an iMac, time = money. 'A little slower' = large potential profit loss. If you are doing enough heavy video editing to max out a dual core Mac Pro, the iMac is more than a little slower too.
Not anything. A component is a component. If the component is faster it is a faster computer. Brand should mean nothing. I was referring to the actual SB-E gains over Westmere clock for clock and core for core. SB-E 6-core vs Westmere 6-core nets you around 5-10% gain. 8-core vs. 6 vs. 4 is not really a worthwhile comparison as of course the 8-core will be fastest unless it is clocked at 1.8GHz. Nothing miraculous about any of these small gains. They just happen to happen with the same metered performance increase yearly. With a few exceptions.
How did you work this out? Have you got some handy links to benchmarks such as Cinebench?
We have a few systems similar to this. No, I don't have anything close to this for my work station, because I don't do anything close to that intensive.
http://www.gamepc.com/shop/systemfamily.asp?family=gpv
I don't think you need benchmarks to see how much faster than a Mac Pro that system is, and that system has PLENTY of upgrade room for the future. A Mac Pro is based off TWO YEAR OLD HARDWARE.
http://www.gamepc.com/shop/systemfamily.asp?family=gpv
I don't think you need benchmarks to see how much faster than a Mac Pro that system is, and that system has PLENTY of upgrade room for the future. A Mac Pro is based off TWO YEAR OLD HARDWARE.
Ummm, that's kind of the whole point of this thread. The fact is that we're waiting for an upgrade. You're showing me machines with the new Sandy Bridge Xeons CPUS that start at $18,000 and comparing them to machines that are two years old and cost less.
1. New machines are faster
2. ????
3. Profit
I cannot understand how you think this is a logical argument that you're presenting. I just don't see it.
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I'm saying three builds:
One that's gaming friendly (gaming graphics card)
One with a graphics card intended for 3D editing.
A server.
The iMac is close to gaming friendly, except the size limitation makes it have a mobile graphics card.
I would really like to get a powerful tower, but none of the towers seem 'high end consumer' oriented. They're all tailored for those doing heavy video or graphics editing.
I'll probably end up getting the lowest end ivybridge mac mini I can get, beefing it up to 8gb of ram, and using it to code on. For me, there is no point to any of the higher end models, none of them fit my needs. I don't want spend $2500 to be stuck playing D3 on low settings, when I could go onto my PC now and pay on near the highest.
What's next?
Thunderbolt optical.
It is Apple's pro solution.
Come home with your 2013 MacBookPro, hookup the thunderbolt cable and now your hooked up to 2 27imch monitors, a tower of ssd drives raided, a large keyboard.....
that's the future.
best,
SvK
Thunderbolt optical.
It is Apple's pro solution.
Come home with your 2013 MacBookPro, hookup the thunderbolt cable and now your hooked up to 2 27imch monitors, a tower of ssd drives raided, a large keyboard.....
that's the future.
best,
SvK
In some cases yes, and in others not really. Its difficult for nearly all programs to use more than 12-16 threads, in my experience anyway. Once you get beyond that, you're using MPI and clusters with 5000 processors anyway. This means a workstation with more cores than what a Mac Pro could have starts to have diminishing returns when compared to other computing options.
The other problem is expense. That last 5-10% is insanely expensive. Look at the E5-2670, clocked at 2.6 base, costs $1550. The E5-2690, clocked at 2.9, costs 2067. So, you're getting about 10% more performance for 33% more cost. Then to go above the performance of the 2690, you'll need E7s in 4 processor systems. Those are crazy expensive and you'll have to have things that scale well with cores >16 all the time make good use of them.
Another way of saying it would be that the MacPro sported Intel's most current top-of-the-line hardware until last month.
Not to say that the single-cpu models aren't overpriced, but comparing it to some gaming PC is an exercise in futility. Comparing apples to apples (pardon cheesy pun) would be comparing it to other A-list workstations, like the HP Z series etc.
It dead now, for sure.
The MacBook pro is in far less need of a revamp than this line, yet that's where apple's attention is.
What a shame.
We are buying a new MacBook pro/iMac to cover legacy projects and then moving to avid on a pc.
Autodesk must be kicking themselves moving smoke over to a os video pros are deserting in droves.
The MacBook pro is in far less need of a revamp than this line, yet that's where apple's attention is.
What a shame.
We are buying a new MacBook pro/iMac to cover legacy projects and then moving to avid on a pc.
Autodesk must be kicking themselves moving smoke over to a os video pros are deserting in droves.
Really? It's in serious need of a revamp.
The Mac Pro is a tower. It's a giant box of parts. I could care less about a full revamp or how thin it is.
What makes you so sure? The MBP gets more attention because its volumes are higher, doesn't mean that Mac Pro isn't in the works.
I am not sure what's next for you guys but for one company I freelance for they are moving on to Adobe Premiere PRO CS6 on dual E5 Xeons with Quadro 6000 and Tesla's to speed up rendering. Right now a quadro card with teslas are the only way to get premiere to use multiple GPUs to speed up the workflow and renders. After seeing how quickly I was turning projects around they asked me what set up I was running. When I said I used Premiere they laughed and said "No, seriously, what do you edit on?" After having their 3 senior editor's come look at my set up they decided to buy one similarly built system to test on. They tested Premiere out for 3 months on real projects with speed and stability being their top priorities. (Xeon 5680's since E5s weren't out yet and CS 5.5). They aren't laughing now. All 11 of their editor's are being switched to CS 6 using the quadro + teslas combination. Their 3D department, motion graphics department, and compositing department are all on windows 7 machine's except 2 guys in the compositing department who run Nuke on linux and their lead Colorist who runs Davinci on a Mac. They are now going to be almost entirely windows 7 based. My biggest concern is they may not need my services as often once they get their machines in next week. I have been tasked with helping them transition and I am worried this will be the last time they'll need me to handle extra work. My set up wasn't cheap but it cut's through commercials and half hour shows like butter and is very stable. I f you can't wait for apple, there are alternatives to getting work done. I still have my mac for personal use as I much prefer being on a mac and have bought into the whole apple eco system, ipod, ipad, apple tv, mac pro, mac book pro, pretty much everything except an iPhone. For creative work and paying client's however I trust my livelyhood to windows 7 and adobe. Hasn't failed me and has sped up my work. Companies are starting to see this as well. Of course you can stay on a Mac with Final Cut X or 7 if you prefer. The PC route I mentioned isn't cheap. The Quadro 6000 with 2 C2075 Teslas will set you back over $8,000 dollars before including the price of the rest of the PC. If you're building it yourself you can get a near top of the line workstation for a little over $20,000 depending on your needs. Many good storage options too for under $10,000 also depending on how much storage you need.
You must not visit here that often. "Professionals" on this forum prefer to bitch about Apple rather than find alternative solutions to their problems.
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Do you think that, it is quite stupid to reveal your "secrets" to the others, especially when these "secrets" made your work much more competitive?
I think- it is. And it is much... .