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Pretty sure I was reading another article today, about how a guy in the UK bought a new phone from Apple and what ended up in his hands was a really good android copy that mimicked iOS. I like the fact that Apple does put some software/hardware blocks on their parts - as it helps prevent some of the theft.

What iFixit should really lobby for is better punishment for stupid people committing crimes - get people to stop lying, cheating and stealing from others and Apple wouldn’t have had to resort to the methods they have resorted to.
Do you have a link to that article?
 
lmao someone didn't read the article.

if a component commonly breaks and is required to be readily available and replaceable, no matter how good an engineer is, Apple required to hold inventory of a new particular part will be infinitely more costly than not having to deal with that particular part.

you're just flat out 100% incorrect.

If a part commonly breaks Apple has an inventory of the parts.

Also apple will have a inventory of parts just to do manufacturing so it cost them next to nothing extra. Plus you can build the cost into buying the components into the cost of buying the spare parts.
 
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Losing the war. Eventually, even Google and Samsung will begin making repairs difficult, and the US government can't spend hundreds of thousands of taxpayer dollars locked in year long court battles with International companies.

And Apple can afford to just sit in court for a decade or more to drag out the proceedings until public interest wanes and disappears. California is just one state and if the federal government backs off, any cases starting in California could reach the SCOTUS and any right to repair laws rendered castrated.
 
Yes, because everyone in the world has time/resources/acumen/tools/knowledge/interest to learn how to repair their iphones. FFS. I'm sorry, but the gray-haired pony-tailed 70 year old birkenstock and sock wearing UNIX nerds at iFixit are still living in the 1950s when Bob Smith would wave jauntily to his neighbor and then go out to Ye Olde Garage and fix the ham radio for little timmy (and then later get drunk and rant about the "blacks" down town getting too uppity).
 
Yes, because everyone in the world has time/resources/acumen/tools/knowledge/interest to learn how to repair their iphones. FFS. I'm sorry, but the gray-haired pony-tailed 70 year old birkenstock and sock wearing UNIX nerds at iFixit are still living in the 1950s when Bob Smith would wave jauntily to his neighbor and then go out to Ye Olde Garage and fix the ham radio for little timmy (and then later get drunk and rant about the "blacks" down town getting too uppity).

lol. You forgot the part where it’ll still reduce the cost for someone else to fix it.
 
What if I told you they already hold inventory of parts?
show me were I can purchase and replace a failed SSD on MacBook Pro M1. you can't. you need to replace the entire logic board because the SSD is soldered on. making the SSD replaceable and holding a separate line of parts is infinitely more costly than just holding the logic board part in inventory.

lol, got you there. it's not me that needs to try again. you lost.
 
If a part commonly breaks Apple has an inventory of the parts.

Also apple will have a inventory of parts just to do manufacturing so it cost them next to nothing extra. Plus you can build the cost into buying the components into the cost of buying the spare parts.
except to replace the SSD, you need to replace the entire logic board. making SSD serviceable and replaceable involves creating a separate line of parts and separate supply agreements which is infinitely more expensive than not doing this at all.

it's clear you were never involved in global supply chain negotiations. you failed to understand any of this. sorry.
 
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show me were I can purchase and replace a failed SSD on MacBook Pro M1. you can't. you need to replace the entire logic board because the SSD is soldered on. making the SSD replaceable and holding a separate line of parts is infinitely more costly than just holding the logic board part in inventory.

lol, got you there. it's not me that needs to try again. you lost.
How did I lose? You just proved exactly the point. You can’t replace just the SSD, you have to replace the entire logic board, at which point you will most likely buy a new laptop anyway because the cost of the board and the cost of software-calibrating all the stupid little parts is nearly that of a new computer. So your otherwise fine machine is now e-waste and necessitates the environmental cost of building a replacement.

lol saying I lose. You just dug your own grave deeper. There’s not one legit argument against repair ability. Not a single one.

Although since you mention it, someone DID figure out how to replace those NAND chips. It’s not easy, but it still costs a fraction of what Apple wants you to do instead AND keeps the computer from ending up in the landfill.
 
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except to replace the SSD, you need to replace the entire logic board. making SSD serviceable and replaceable involves creating a separate line of parts and separate supply agreements which is infinitely more expensive than not doing this at all.

it's clear you were never involved in global supply chain negotiations. you failed to understand any of this. sorry.
They don’t need to create their own stuff. High-speed SSDs and RAM already exist.

Thus, the supply issues you think are an issue actually aren’t. Keep trying.

Have you ever seen a computer that isn’t a Mac? Apparently not. Apple’s way is the exception, not the rule.
 
except to replace the SSD, you need to replace the entire logic board. making SSD serviceable and replaceable involves creating a separate line of parts and separate supply agreements which is infinitely more expensive than not doing this at all.

it's clear you were never involved in global supply chain negotiations. you failed to understand any of this. sorry.

So when Dell sells a $299 Inspiron 15 which uses a socketed SSD and RAM, it costs more?

You should be consulting Dell and every other PC manufacturer in the world. 🤣 Be sure to explain to industry experts how stocking a commodity part is more expensive than replacing the entire motherboard.
 
How did I lose? You just proved exactly the point. You can’t replace just the SSD
"You can’t replace just the SSD, you have to replace the entire logic board"

and designing/engineering a MacBook to make SSD replaceable would be more costly because they would need to carry separate parts instead of just carrying the logic board to address ram/SSD/cpu/gpu failure.

thanks for proving my point. LOL

also nice of you to admit "What if I told you they already hold inventory of parts?" is wrong. they don't hold an inventory of SSD chips because you can't replace the soldiered SSD. :)
 
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it costs Apple more to carry SSD/RAM/CPU parts than just carrying 1 logic board to address all of those issues yes. this is factually true. thanks for proving my point.

If you say so, it must be true. 🤣

Every other PC maker in the world must be wrong. 🤣
 
"You can’t replace just the SSD, you have to replace the entire logic board"

and designing/engineering a MacBook to make SSD replaceable would be more costly because they would need to carry separate parts instead of just carrying the logic board to address ram/SSD/cpu/gpu failure.

thanks for proving my point. LOL

also nice of you to admit "What if I told you they already hold inventory of parts?" is wrong. they don't hold an inventory of SSD chips because you can't replace the soldiered SSD. :)
Apple has hired some really cool and smart guys called engineers. It is literally their job to, say, design a laptop that has modular SSDs. They did it ten years ago, so what makes you think they couldn’t do it today, with all the advancements in tech?

I never said anything about SSDs, if you actually read and comprehended my post. You said they shouldn’t stock parts. The fact that they have a “self repair program” proves that they already do.


who said they needed to create their own SSD? I never did. arguing the wrong point lmao
You said yourself they need to create their own supply line. The only reason they’d have to do that is if they created their own SSD, instead of using the myriad of SSDs that other laptop makers are ALREADY PUTTING IN THEIR OWN LAPTOPS FOR WAY LESS MONEY.

Gosh, your anti-repair argument is so bad even you can’t keep it straight.
 
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it costs Apple more to carry SSD/RAM/CPU parts than just carrying 1 logic board to address all of those issues yes. this is factually true. thanks for proving my point.
This is so backward it’s hilarious. Apple is among THE MOST EXPENSIVE computer manufacturers. Many of the less-expensive ones? Guess what they do? Modular SSD/RAM/CPU.

Your point is so wrong it’s comical.
 
This is so backward it’s hilarious. Apple is among THE MOST EXPENSIVE computer manufacturers. Many of the less-expensive ones? Guess what they do? Modular SSD/RAM/CPU.

Your point is so wrong it’s comical.

Stocking an SSD and memory in a warehouse? Are you nuts? That's prohibitively expensive.

Apple only has the capacity to carry Watch bands, iPhone cases, and AirTag loops in every material and color possible. Something as massive as an SSD or RAM module would be out of the question. Kioxia and Hynix have to make the chip and module. Apple has to do the arduous task of receiving those modules and storing them in a warehouse. Yuck!

You heard that guy. He said it was a "fact." 🤣
 
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Buy an Android.
Bing-Badda-Boom.
What has Android to do with MacBooks? I once changed the fan and installed a SSD in my MBP Retina 13” from 2015. It was the last 13” MacBook model which you could upgrade storage. I wish I could change RAM in it as I did in my 2012 MBP. I have enough memory and storage in my M1Pro 14” but what if I want to upgrade the memory in future? I would never would able to change the fan in 14” like I did in 13” Retina. If Apple doesn’t want anyone to be able to increase the RAM or Storage, they should have given som option for installing extra RAM like they had possibility earlier to use an external graphic cards. People who have bought Base M3 with 8GB Ram would certainly regret it in near future.
 
If you say so, it must be true. 🤣

Every other PC maker in the world must be wrong. 🤣
who said every other pc maker is wrong? every other pc maker is spending more to carry more parts

you have no idea what the context is. you just jumped in without reading.

good luck arguing the wrong thing 🤣
 
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