I'm having serious Buyer's remorse

[JeepGuy]

The single button Mac mouse was ditched at about the same time Win2000 came out to an adoring fan base...
The magic mouse makes a PC mouse look like something out of the stone age.
Tip, go to an Apple store, then come back here with a big slice of humble pie

The magic mouse is crap for Autocad, it works better with a regular mouse with a scroll wheel. I work with Autocad and Revit 40 to 60 hours a week doing CAD drawings.

 

[talmy]

The single button Mac mouse was ditched at about the same time Win2000 came out to an adoring fan base...
The magic mouse makes a PC mouse look like something out of the stone age.
Tip, go to an Apple store, then come back here with a big slice of humble pie

When they ditched the single button mouse they went to a zero-button mouse which they've done ever since. The whole mouse is the button and (since 2005) proximity sensors have been used to determine what part of the mouse is being depressed. Works well for some folks, not so well for others.

So it actually has had one big a$$ mouse button (the mouse itself).

 

[chrono1081]

I also found his comments a bit suspect

Perhaps when he said 60 he meant 6

Nope. Sixty machines. Like I stated its rare to ever get that many bad machine components and most people will never see something like that but I am 100% telling the truth. It was for MWR sites in Iraq and we had to come up with an insane amount if replacement parts before the new parts came in to try and keep the gaming centers running.

What most likely happened was that Dell got nailed with two bad batches of cards and ram and they just happened to be in our order. We thought it was strange at first too and assumed it was a power issue in the buildings. After the power was checked the machines still dropped like flies. After the ram was replaced and the GPUs replaced in the machines everything worked fine and we would only have 1 or 2 go down a month.

Very odd, very unbelievable, but it did happen.

 

[Mackilroy]

Well he hasn't corrected me so I would assume he still means 60. But either way, we know he isn't telling the truth.

I like how you know more about his experiences than he does. Were you hovering over his shoulder watching those machines?

Bad batches happen to all manufacturers. Stating it doesn't make one a fanboy of another company. And Iraq isn't the best place to take standard consumer hardware from any corporation, whether it be Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Dell, or otherwise.

Hibernia, what MMO are you looking forward to?

 

[nizmoz]

I like how you know more about his experiences than he does. Were you hovering over his shoulder watching those machines?

Bad batches happen to all manufacturers. Stating it doesn't make one a fanboy of another company. And Iraq isn't the best place to take standard consumer hardware from any corporation, whether it be Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Dell, or otherwise.

Hibernia, what MMO are you looking forward to?

The fact remains he said every single one of the 60 machines failed. In reality, I am willing to bet they didn't instead because of where they were located, Dell decided to send them all the parts for all those machines anyways just to be on the safe side due to their location and replace them. They may have had just a few but not all 60 fail.

And I just talked to a friend in Austin that works for Dell and he laughed and said no way that has ever happened.

 

[gtsgts]

I'm starting to warm up to the machine, but does anyone have a problem with videos on youtube being out of sync?

 

[ormie]

YouTube, can be a pain in the bum at times with out of sync, no sound or just won't play. It's worse on the iPad !


Cheers, Macjim.

 

[Icaras]

I'm starting to warm up to the machine, but does anyone have a problem with videos on youtube being out of sync?

http://www.youtube.com/html5

Just don't use flash.

 

[Wrathh1965]

Dell.

Class action lawsuit.

Bad capacitors.

This affected thousands of optiplex machines several years ago. We've had a number fail in this office alone. Dell hid the issue with replacements (with bad caps too). Check google.

I'll back Chrono on his claim on bad machines for this.

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In reply to the Autocad aspect:

The magic mouse is crap for that. I'll stick to a logitech trackman wheel as it doesn't cramp up my hand. Twenty years of Autocad here and that mouse has been the best solution (in two variations over the years).

 

[torbjoern]

The fact remains he said every single one of the 60 machines failed. In reality, I am willing to bet they didn't instead because of where they were located, Dell decided to send them all the parts for all those machines anyways just to be on the safe side due to their location and replace them. They may have had just a few but not all 60 fail.

And I just talked to a friend in Austin that works for Dell and he laughed and said no way that has ever happened.

Even if there were a 99.9 % chance of failure for each single device, the probability would still be less than 1 % for all 60 devices to fail.

 

[Cheffy Dave]

Whoa what happened in here. Yikes. I'm not a troll. I have just been experiencing some problems. Like not being able to software update. The font size is gonna take some use too. The mouse is gonna take some getting use too. The programs that I'm use too not being available. It's gonna be a learning curve, but I'm gonna keep it. I didn't mean to offend anybody, or cause any trouble. I'm sorry.

Me thinks the Kids judged harshly! WELCOME and continue on with us, this is REALLY, a nice place to be!

 

[seand]

Even if there were a 99.9 % chance of failure for each single device, the probability would still be less than 1 % for all 60 devices to fail.

That's just completely incorrect.

If P(one given machines fails) is 0.999 and the machine failures are independent, then P(60 machines in a row fail) = 0.999^60 ~= 0.942

So it'd be about a 94% chance of 60 machines failing in that case.
But of course failures likely aren't independent, since it's entirely possible for a batch of parts to be bad. If the guy claiming 60 machines failing happened to get a bad batch of parts or two, I don't see how that's so far fetched, even if you're lucky enough to have never had it happen to you; it's clearly not completely impossible to get a run of machines with the same batch of bad parts.

 

[Lankyman]

Unfortunatly i'm a good 2 hours from either of the closest Apple Stores around here and almost the same to John Lewis in Edinburgh and i don't drive
PC World is just 20 mins in the bus so it's my nearest retailer.

Surely if i claim it's faulty they would check it out and see it's not? , i'm not the dishonest type and wouldnt feel comfortable doing this. Blame my age , at 50 i maybe should have known better

I'm still perservering but do admit i'm struggling somewhat and out of my comfort zone , lol.

Just say it's overheating, they won't check it out as it means opening a new Apple unit which they won't want to touch under warranty. Get your money and run. If you change your mind later then order online. If you order from JL you get an extra years warranty thrown in for free. If your present Mac goes wrong then you're always going to have problems at the purple shirt factory.

 

[phpmaven]

Considering the OP's lack of replies to the offered help on here I'll lay money down he's a troll

Ya think?

 

[torbjoern]

That's just completely incorrect.

If P(one given machines fails) is 0.999 and the machine failures are independent, then P(60 machines in a row fail) = 0.999^60 ~= 0.942

So it'd be about a 94% chance of 60 machines failing in that case.
But of course failures likely aren't independent, since it's entirely possible for a batch of parts to be bad. If the guy claiming 60 machines failing happened to get a bad batch of parts or two, I don't see how that's so far fetched, even if you're lucky enough to have never had it happen to you; it's clearly not completely impossible to get a run of machines with the same batch of bad parts.

You're right. The P(fail) should be 90%, not 99.9% (ooops). But there can certainly be a batch problem, I have experienced that myself.

 

[Binary Ninja]

Yeah i understand it will be a learning curve but stick with it you wont regret it at all ... i just recently bought the 27" iMac you see in my sig and i have not regretted it in fact is has made me rethink why i hadn't done so earlier ...

I have been in the PC industry for 15 - 20 years either specing, selling , building or supporting PC 's and recently decided to go the MAC route as was getting sick of the malware / viruses etc and the specs on MAC are now = to the PC so hardware cant be used as a deciding factor... I also wanted a change ... i will install win 7 one day for the games i play but will use osx as main o/s..

i think once you learn he o/s you will realise it is far better then windows ever was and if you need a hand at working out the differences i can do my best to help but i am no expert on the MAC side either

 

[Hibernia]

I like how you know more about his experiences than he does. Were you hovering over his shoulder watching those machines?

Bad batches happen to all manufacturers. Stating it doesn't make one a fanboy of another company. And Iraq isn't the best place to take standard consumer hardware from any corporation, whether it be Apple, Microsoft, Sony, Dell, or otherwise.

Hibernia, what MMO are you looking forward to?

The new Star Wars one. City of Heroes is working fine with the Mac version and is playing a lot better than my old lap top so happy with this aspect of the Mac

 

[Hibernia]

Just say it's overheating, they won't check it out as it means opening a new Apple unit which they won't want to touch under warranty. Get your money and run. If you change your mind later then order online. If you order from JL you get an extra years warranty thrown in for free. If your present Mac goes wrong then you're always going to have problems at the purple shirt factory.

Now funny you should say over heating. After a two hour gaming session last night just before i put the unit to sleep i touched the back of the Mac at the top and nearly burned my hand off!

I have read the unit heats up but really it almost too hot to touch , is that normal?
The unit is on an open desk top and well ventilated and not a warm room.

I do frequently have gaming sessions of 4-5 hours non stops , is this a cause for worry? , should i be taking breaks to let the unit cool down?

 

[tsugaru]

Now funny you should say over heating. After a two hour gaming session last night just before i put the unit to sleep i touched the back of the Mac at the top and nearly burned my hand off!

I have read the unit heats up but really it almost too hot to touch , is that normal?
The unit is on an open desk top and well ventilated and not a warm room.

I do frequently have gaming sessions of 4-5 hours non stops , is this a cause for worry? , should i be taking breaks to let the unit cool down?

GPUs get hot after gaming. An iMac doesn't have the air volume or air circulation compared to a desktop machine. But as long as you don't overclock (or overclock TOO MUCH) then it'll be fine.

 

[Pecorino]

Whoa what happened in here. Yikes. I'm not a troll. I have just been experiencing some problems. Like not being able to software update. The font size is gonna take some use too. The mouse is gonna take some getting use too. The programs that I'm use too not being available. It's gonna be a learning curve, but I'm gonna keep it. I didn't mean to offend anybody, or cause any trouble. I'm sorry.

Usually, the Mac users are very unfriendly toward strong criticism of the Apple products, or dissatisfaction. And they call this - "trolling". And every time this battle go to the edge.

The Mac OSX ( especially Leopard, Snow and Lion) are great OS. No doubt about. No better exist for sure.
The Mac hardware is grossly overpriced and restrictive. The so called Apple "quality" >> "made by Foxconn in China" is one big myth. Or at least- the quality of these products do not deserve such overpricing/price margin.

The Apple "ecosystem" is nasty, slavish and retarded.

I "have" my Mac in VirtualBox. Play with him from time to time. Like it. But never shall go to spend so much money, simply because I personally believe, that, these products do not deserve such price. And for sure- will never buy iMac. Why? I do not believe in the thermal design of these products. No HDD will last for long with such temp inside. Second- i must have control on the hardware inside- do not care if this will be from one Apple list of desired components. But no control at all? No boys, no chance at all.
And Apple know these things very well- but the show must go on, isn't it?

 

[Wicked1]

Do I have to do a system restore or something? I downloaded firefox, and ntfs-3g. Do I just uninstall them? I also upgraded the ram to 16 gb. Can I just put back the 4 gb it came with?

You did all this in such a short time, how can you even determine you do not like it, odd everyone I know that went from Windows to Mac said they would never go back as for myself I am in IT so I have to deal with Mr. Gates legacy but for personal I have been using Macs since the 80's.

 

[Vercingetorix]

Usually, the Mac users are very unfriendly toward strong criticism of the Apple products, or dissatisfaction. And they call this - "trolling". And every time this battle go to the edge.

The Mac OSX ( especially Leopard, Snow and Lion) are great OS. No doubt about. No better exist for sure.
The Mac hardware is grossly overpriced and restrictive. The so called Apple "quality" >> "made by Foxconn in China" is one big myth. Or at least- the quality of these products do not deserve such overpricing/price margin.

The Apple "ecosystem" is nasty, slavish and retarded.

I have my Mac in VirtualBox. Play with him from time to time. Like it. But never shall go to spend so much money, simply because I personally believe, that, these products do not deserve such price. And for sure- will never buy iMac. Why? I do not believe in the thermal design of these products. No HDD will last for long with such temp inside. Second- i must have control on the hardware inside- do not care if this will be from one Apple list of desired components. But no control at all? No boys, no chance at all.
And Apple know these things very well- but the show must go on, isn't it?

Comparing Apple users to slaves is about the dumbest thing I've read this month.

The thing that you guys in the pocket-protector set don't get is that Apple isn't interested in making computers for you guys, because you're a tiny, tiny sliver of the market. 99 percent of the market doesn't care about being able to swap out the video card. People don't choose Macs because they're slaves; they choose to buy Macs because they offer a seamless, elegant experience that mostly gets the computer out of the way and comes with unparalleled support. (If you buy an iMac today and have a problem with it in five years -- hardware, software, whatever -- you'll be able to make an appointment at the Apple Store and take it in and have a real human being spend half an hour with you to try to figure out what's wrong. If you buy a Windows machine, how's your support from HP or Dell or Microsoft or whoever going to be in five years?) People are willing to pay a premium on the hardware because it comes with the experience and support.

I used to be a guy who built his own machines. I don't miss futzing around with drivers and the registry and hardware and the endless updates and all that crap at all. Yes, I've given up some "control," but it's control over the tedious stuff. I spend way more time actually doing stuff with my computer and way less time on the upkeep of the computer itself.

 

[Icaras]

Usually, the Mac users are very unfriendly toward strong criticism of the Apple products, or dissatisfaction. And they call this - "trolling". And every time this battle go to the edge.

And that makes you friendly because of statements like these?:

The Apple "ecosystem" is nasty, slavish and retarded.

And you wonder why Apple fans react so strongly to "strong criticism"?

The Mac OSX ( especially Leopard, Snow and Lion) are great OS. No doubt about. No better exist for sure.
The Mac hardware is grossly overpriced and restrictive. The so called Apple "quality" >> "made by Foxconn in China" is one big myth. Or at least- the quality of these products do not deserve such overpricing/price margin.

Have you been to Foxconn? Please bust the myth for us.

Also, have you heard of other computer manufacturers using their R&D to develop and create such procedures as the unibody design enclosure? Before Apple of course. Hmm.

I "have" my Mac in VirtualBox. Play with him from time to time. Like it. But never shall go to spend so much money, simply because I personally believe, that, these products do not deserve such price. And for sure- will never buy iMac. Why? I do not believe in the thermal design of these products. No HDD will last for long with such temp inside. Second- i must have control on the hardware inside- do not care if this will be from one Apple list of desired components. But no control at all? No boys, no chance at all.
And Apple know these things very well- but the show must go on, isn't it?

Ill informed is ill informed.

 

[hipnotizer]

I just got the imac 27 inch i7 with radeon hd 6970m 2gb. I doubt I will ever go back to pc. Give it a fews days. It may grow on you. If you still don't like in in a week, send it back.

 

[Lankyman]

Now funny you should say over heating. After a two hour gaming session last night just before i put the unit to sleep i touched the back of the Mac at the top and nearly burned my hand off!

I have read the unit heats up but really it almost too hot to touch , is that normal?
The unit is on an open desk top and well ventilated and not a warm room.

I do frequently have gaming sessions of 4-5 hours non stops , is this a cause for worry? , should i be taking breaks to let the unit cool down?

Well I can't really say any more than I already have. However, I like you like in the UK and we both know the reputation of the outlet where you made your purchase. I think most other residents of this fair Isle of ours would offer similar advice, need I say more?