Are you serious or just wanting to argue? Surely you understood what I meant. “Catch” as in not release the 5700 XT machines with these glitches. I'm getting the vibe you like to play with semantics. Have a good one.
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iMac 2020, 5700XT - graphical glitch?
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Are you? There is no way Apple would stop shipping these Macs because of this graphic glitch.
Yep, you’re looking to argue. Did I say anything about stopping shipping? No, I said they should have caught the issue BEFORE shipping. I think they call it QC. Stop twisting my words, please.
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Maybe you don't understand the point I am making . There is a very real possibility that they did find this issue in QC and decided to go ahead and ship the Macs with this known issue. That's not a QC issue, its a business decision. It's very unlikely that this would be classified as a critical flaw.
I have it on good accord that they did NOT ‘know’ about this until users started reporting it. It not being a ‘critical flaw’ is your opinion. I disagree.
I’m quite aware that Apple makes ethically questionable ‘business decisions’ all the time.
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Of course this is a software issue. Those booting into Windows are unable to reproduce the problem. This clearly points to a driver or firmware issue on the Mac side. In fact, the issue stops happening as soon as you change to one of the other scaled resolutions. In my case I increased the resolution by one click and the problem disappeared. If it were hardware there would be a problem at all scaled resolutions. Is this really such a difficult workaround until Apple finds a fix?
Cool, then it should be a super easy fix for the AMD/Apple team of brainiacs! Maybe we will see a patch come this week...?
Does changing resolutions also fix the corner issues?
I never indicated Apple was failing as a company. On the contrary, they pay wonderful attention to detail on the iPhone. After all it’s their bread and butter.
I disagree, I don’t think they do a good job of QC at all on their computers. That duty seems to be relegated to the public. There’s a long list of examples I could cite on this.
Although I am sure you are right, no one here can state with 100% certainty that this is “just a bug that will be sorted out”. I thought that about the horrible MBP keyboards for years.
Once again this is a case of different levels of tolerance and thresholds before being ticked off at Apple. As a veteran Apple supporter, that threshold has gotten smaller and smaller over the years. I respect and appreciate your optimism though!
I am happy to see these issues gaining traction on many different outlets online. Did a quick Google a bit ago and it was all over the first search page.
What does "have it on good accord" mean? As for it being a critical flaw, I am well aware that you and some others on this thread feel that way but that doesn't mean that Apple or anyone else does. The idea that Apple would shutdown the manufacture of iMacs over this problem is absurd.
The "ethics" of Apple aren't really the question here, I don't think any vendor would regard this as a critical flaw. Certainly Microsoft, Dell or HP would not.
The Butterfly keyboard problem was obviously a mechanical design defect, not “just a bug that will be sorted out”. The same is true of the iPhone and iPad Bendgate issues.
The bug might be in the video driver or perhaps the MacOS Window Server. Both are complex pieces of software and once it is fixed they will need to be tested to ensure new bugs have not been introduced (flickering in all the other GPU variants for example). Even if they have identified the root cause and have a fix applied, we might not see it for weeks.
The corner issue is a separate problem that is not limited to the 5700XT. This could be fixed by the same patch or a different patch.
When can agree to disagree. You’re not going to sway my way of thinking. You’re wasting your time unless you just feel the need to pound your chest a little. I can appreciate that and wish you the very best.
At the end of the day we as Apple customers are all in this together. We should all be pushing Apple forward and holding them accountable, not excusing continuous issues. Regardless if they are HW, SW or both.
All I care about with these particular issues is that if and when a fix comes, it also comes to Catalina and not just BS. Part of my frustration is in the chance that Apple releases these ‘fixes’ with the launch of BS. I keep saying it, but I’ve seen it before. I saw it with the iMac Pro. Please prove me wrong Apple! Please fix these issues for both Catalina and BS. Some of us aren’t ready to jump to BS right out of the gate. It breaks too many things; switching to a brand new immature OS.
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It might seem like an overreaction but I'm in a dilemma, I need to spend about £3.5k on a computer in the next two weeks due to a tax invoice. I can either build a great PC or risk the 5700XT. I've not yet made up my mind but my PC build on paper would completely destroy the iMac on all counts aside from the OS ergonomics, which is a big deal for me as I'm a Mac user of 10+ years.
I'm not so concerned about resale, and I like modularity of a PC build. To me it seems less of a financial risk than buying this iMac with native chips around the corner.
I’m not going to lie, I’ve toyed with building multiple beastly PCs over the past few years. They were insanely powerful. Unfortunately I despise Windows and keep coming back to Mac. I admit, I’m a card carrying cult member 😉 I drank the Kool-Aid ages ago. The psychology dept. at Apple is truly genius.
Me too - I own 4 Apple devices. Either option is a risk, perhaps building the PC more so, but it would also be fun and I'd have a 16 core Ryzen to play with. I'm almost willing to take the risk because Apple haven't created anything truly enticing, for me personally. Clearly Apple are moving in a good direction, but this iMac release is annoying, in that it feels like an afterthought. The lack of improved thermals felt cynical to me, and these graphical issues aren't helping. Having said that I still might buy it... I would miss Notes 😂
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Not adopting the iMac Pro cooling really pissed me off too. It was blatantly lazy. Apple needs to lay of the greed and stop cutting corners. How much wealth do they need?
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If it was greed driving it, they would have given it the iMac Pro cooling system so I would have to give Apple $1000 for 64 GB of RAM instead of $300 to Crucial. And the R&D for the iMac Pro cooling system has long been paid for already as well.....
Yeah, cause Apple isn’t greedy at all. They’re so generous. 🤣
Did it ever occur to you that they could have significantly improved cooling AND kept the RAM door? There’s a shocker huh?
Did I say it was them being generous? I just pointed out they could have increased their profits by giving it the iMac Pro cooling system. You called it greed for not putting it in.
And you brought up the iMac Pro cooling system, not a different one entirely. Hence my reply.
And with a slight tweak they probably could have given us the iMac Pro cooling and kept the RAM door. That was my point. It never hurts to hope for a surprise out of Apple that would benefit us users instead of their bankroll. One can dream.
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The risks of the 5700Xt are minor compared to the risks of depending on Windows 10:
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The internet is full of posts like these. The last one is particularly interesting, some excerpts.
- The core problem of Microsoft is that there used to be test departments for the products. There the products were tested intensively, so that most bugs were found. Only when these departments gave their OK was software released for end users. However, these test teams were released and disbanded in the context of the big wave of redundancies in 2014/2015. I had reported several times here in the blog (see link list at the end of article and my German article Scheitert Microsofts neuer Entwicklungs-Workflow? from 2016). #
- According to Berg, and Microsoft’s statements, today people rely more on short tests of the developers in virtual machines, on the telemetry data and on the fact that the errors are noticed by the user (consumer) – or by insiders.
- A cornerstone of the (missing) ‘quality assurance’ are currently the Windows Insiders, who are supposed to take over the task of the former test department. But the problem is, the Windows Insiders don’t report all errors. And when errors are reported, the insiders cannot provide Microsoft with the information to reproduce the error. In other words: Microsoft is practicing blind flying and hopes to get ahead somehow according to the principle ‘eyes closed and through’.
Makes sense! I hope people stop saying it's a hardware issue because that's making me lose sleep.
I built a hackintosh a little over 2 years ago. It was great while I could keep macOS running on it. Once Mojave hit, I couldn’t update any more. I installed Windows and could run it just fine. But I wanted to run macOS.
The hackintosh is now living as a dedicated Windows PC. And it’s quite powerful despite being a couple of years old. Would I build another PC? Sure but not as my primary computer.
The hackintosh is now living as a dedicated Windows PC. And it’s quite powerful despite being a couple of years old. Would I build another PC? Sure but not as my primary computer.
