iMac 2020, 5700XT - graphical glitch?

[jobinhosyntax]

The risks of the 5700Xt are minor compared to the risks of depending on Windows 10:

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Ex Microsoft employee explains the worse Windows 10 quality

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The internet is full of posts like these. The last one is particularly interesting, some excerpts.

• The core problem of Microsoft is that there used to be test departments for the products. There the products were tested intensively, so that most bugs were found. Only when these departments gave their OK was software released for end users. However, these test teams were released and disbanded in the context of the big wave of redundancies in 2014/2015. I had reported several times here in the blog (see link list at the end of article and my German article Scheitert Microsofts neuer Entwicklungs-Workflow? from 2016). #
• According to Berg, and Microsoft’s statements, today people rely more on short tests of the developers in virtual machines, on the telemetry data and on the fact that the errors are noticed by the user (consumer) – or by insiders.
• A cornerstone of the (missing) ‘quality assurance’ are currently the Windows Insiders, who are supposed to take over the task of the former test department. But the problem is, the Windows Insiders don’t report all errors. And when errors are reported, the insiders cannot provide Microsoft with the information to reproduce the error. In other words: Microsoft is practicing blind flying and hopes to get ahead somehow according to the principle ‘eyes closed and through’.

Personally I would rather experience the odd flicker on my screen than have a Windows update start removing my files.

I could post 10 articles about Catalina and the huge success that was

 

[Haplodepatrijn]

I never indicated Apple was failing as a company. On the contrary, they pay wonderful attention to detail on the iPhone. After all it’s their bread and butter.

I disagree, I don’t think they do a good job of QC at all on their computers. That duty seems to be relegated to the public. There’s a long list of examples I could cite on this.

Although I am sure you are right, no one here can state with 100% certainty that this is “just a bug that will be sorted out”. I thought that about the horrible MBP keyboards for years.

Once again this is a case of different levels of tolerance and thresholds before being ticked off at Apple. As a veteran Apple supporter, that threshold has gotten smaller and smaller over the years. I respect and appreciate your optimism though!

I am happy to see these issues gaining traction on many different outlets online. Did a quick Google a bit ago and it was all over the first search page.

But all this articles start with “a handful “ or “some users” which in my opinion doesn’t reflect the true situation and so minimalising the whole problem.

 

[shywizard]

16 people voted that they haven't seen the White Line Of Doom and have no issues with their 5700XT.
I'm sure since their vote, a bunch have now seen the the white lightning strike.

How do we track them down and get them to change their vote?
Because I firmly believe every 5700XT user is having issues.

 

[jamespb78]

16 people voted that they haven't seen the White Line Of Doom and have no issues with their 5700XT.
I'm sure since their vote, a bunch have now seen the the white lightning strike.

How do we track them down and get them to change their vote?
Because I firmly believe every 5700XT user is having issues.

Im like you. I suspect the issue exists in all 2020 iMac 5700xt machines, but not everyone will notice it. It’s so quick, they would only need to blink at the wrong time, and they will miss it.

 

[TiggrToo]

How do we track them down and get them to change their vote?

You don’t.

If they say they’re not seeing it then take them at their word.

 

[ADGrant]

I could post 10 articles about Catalina and the huge success that was

Did Catalina actually delete files or brick anyone's Mac.

In any event, switching platforms because of a couple of minor UI/Video glitch seems like a huge overreaction to me.

 

[costica1234]

@John90976 has reported some "flicker" while using their iMac in Windows: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...c.2248978/page-22?post=28856572#post-28856572

This sounds concerning...

 

[dspdoc]

Did Catalina actually delete files or brick anyone's Mac.

In any event, switching platforms because of a couple of minor UI/Video glitch seems like a huge overreaction to me.

You really ought to stop projecting your feelings off onto other’s. Not everyone reasons like you do or reacts like you do.

 

[dspdoc]

@John90976 has reported some "flicker" while using their iMac in Windows: https://forums.macrumors.com/thread...c.2248978/page-22?post=28856572#post-28856572

This sounds concerning...

Not good at all... Wouldn’t it be awesome to get some clarity from Apple on these issues so that we could all stop speculating and losing sleep?

 

[ADGrant]

You really ought to stop projecting your feelings off onto other’s. Not everyone reasons like you do or reacts like you do.

I don't think I am the one projecting.

 

[dspdoc]

I don't think I am the one projecting.

Right. There you go again. ?

You keep telling people that it’s not a big deal and that they are overreacting. You’re perfectly entitled to that opinion, but it doesn’t make it true for everyone.

It is a huge deal to myself and to some other people. We respect your feelings. Can you please respect ours?

 

[ADGrant]

Right. There you go again. ?

You keep telling people that it’s not a big deal and that they are overreacting. You’re perfectly entitled to that opinion, but it doesn’t make it true for everyone.

You on the other hand are actually suggesting that Apple would actually shut its iMac manufacturing line over this issue. You are projecting your feelings onto a $2 Trillion corporation.

This problem is clearly upsetting you but that doesn't make it a critical bug. For a bug to be considered critical it has to prevent a system from functioning or cause data loss. So an update that deleted all your files and corrupted your boot volume would be considered critical. Ultimately though, you or I don't get to decide if a defect with an Apple product is critical, Apple does. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Your feelings on the issue are not going to influence how Apple makes that determination. You can of course decide to switch to another technology vendor and deal with their issues instead. However, anyone expecting better customer service or quality control from Microsoft is probably going to be disappointed.

 

[dspdoc]

You on the other hand are actually suggesting that Apple would actually shut its iMac manufacturing line over this issue. You are projecting your feelings onto a $2 Trillion corporation.

This problem is clearly upsetting you but that doesn't make it a critical bug. For a bug to be considered critical it has to prevent a system from functioning or cause data loss. So an update that deleted all your files and corrupted your boot volume would be considered critical. Ultimately though, you or I don't get to decide if a defect with an Apple product is critical, Apple does. That's not an opinion, that's a fact.

Your feelings on the issue are not going to influence how Apple makes that determination. You can of course decide to switch to another technology vendor and deal with their issues instead. However, anyone expecting better customer service or quality control from Microsoft is probably going to be disappointed.

Now you’re utterly putting words into my mouth and flat out making stuff up. I know when to disengage from the unhealthy and now is the time. Good luck!

 

[ADGrant]

Now you’re utterly putting words into my mouth and flat out making stuff up. I know when to disengage from the unhealthy and now is the time. Good luck!

So you didn't say:

"It appears shipping times are slipping on these machines. Even the base i7 27” which has typically been ‘in stock’. This is making me a little nervous that we might have a hardware issue here."

As for knowing when to "disengage from the unhealthy", it is you who has been hurling childish insults.

 

[dspdoc]

So you didn't say:

"It appears shipping times are slipping on these machines. Even the base i7 27” which has typically been ‘in stock’. This is making me a little nervous that we might have a hardware issue here."

As for knowing when to "disengage from the unhealthy", it is you who has been hurling childish insults.

Did you read the word “might” in there...? Reading comprehension skills are key here.

You just can’t help yourself from mangling things and then projecting can you? I never insulted anyone. I was polite and asked you to please stop pushing your feelings of the severity of this issue off onto everyone else. Apparently you missed the many times we discussed different thresholds of acceptability.

Now I’m officially done with you. I’m certain you have to have the last word as you’ve clearly demonstrated, so have at it! ???

 

[dspdoc]

Getting back on topic: Has anyone else experienced the white line flash in Windows?

 

[ADGrant]

Did you read the word “might” in there...? Reading comprehension skills are key here.

You just can’t help yourself from mangling things and then projecting can you? I never insulted anyone. I was polite and asked you to please stop pushing your feelings of the severity of this issue off onto everyone else. Apparently you missed the many times we discussed different thresholds of acceptability.

Now I’m officially done with you. I’m certain you have to have the last word as you’ve clearly demonstrated, so have at it!

Yes I read the word “might”, that you even consider this a possibility suggests to me that you think Apple feels the same way about this problem that you do. That is projecting. There are plenty of rational explanations for increased wait times.

You and I clearly have a different definition of polite and done. You keep telling me you are done but then you keep responding to my posts even when I am not responding to you. Let’s see if you can actually refrain from responding to this one.

 

[tommiart]

Remember when the 5600M come out on the MacBook Pro 16. It was x16 lanes of PCIe.
That was dropped to x8 lanes for some reason.
I read somewhere it could of been related to graphical issues.
That would suck if this gets dropped to x8?

 

[dspdoc]

Remember when the 5600M come out on the MacBook Pro 16. It was x16 lanes of PCIe.
That was dropped to x8 lanes for some reason.
I read somewhere it could of been related to graphical issues.
That would suck if this gets dropped to x8?

Wow, I forgot all about that! Excellent point. It would totally suck if this were to happen. Apple doesn’t seem to be the best at learning from past mistakes do they?

 

[emac777]

I see the flash - is it a software or hardware issue? Anyone have a cause for return?

 

[shywizard]

I see the flash - is it a software or hardware issue? Anyone have a cause for return?

Please people, read the Thread.

 

[emac777]

Please people, read the Thread.

Can I get the cliffnotes?

 

[dspdoc]

I see the flash - is it a software or hardware issue? Anyone have a cause for return?

Nobody knows for certain. Most likely software, but we are all waiting for some kind of acknowledgement from Apple or for a patch to be released to fix it. Hopefully a simple AMD driver update can remedy all the issues listed here.

 

[emac777]

Nobody knows for certain. Most likely software, but we are all waiting for some kind of acknowledgement from Apple or for a patch to be released to fix it. Hopefully a simple AMD driver update can remedy all the issues listed here.

Gotcha, hopefully that's the case. But for sure I'm seeing that flash.

 

[dspdoc]

Gotcha, hopefully that's the case. But for sure I'm seeing that flash.

Make sure to vote and also to report your experience to Apple.