No no no, an alpha version of the Pascal GPU coming up with the power of moon dust. YASSSSS!!!! And prototype 8K Monitor that will melt your eyes.Yeah! A beast hakintosh with not one, not two, BUT THREE GTX 970!
And maybe 6 1080p displays.
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iMac's are an awful purchase
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Yeah! A beast hakintosh with not one, not two, BUT THREE GTX 970!
And maybe 6 1080p displays.
Oh my god stop no one could take that OWNAGE!!! Imagine the youtube montages.
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stop I can't take this anymore. 8k?!!! Holy cow!!!!! Windows 10=love windows10=life windows10=.... damn it had to restart for an update.
Latest news, theres 16K NOW. I'm already even more obsolete. NOOOOOOOO! :'(Oh my god stop no one could take that OWNAGE!!! Imagine the youtube montages.
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stop I can't take this anymore. 8k?!!! Holy cow!!!!!
Do u even noscope, bruh?Oh my god stop no one could take that OWNAGE!!! Imagine the youtube montages.
I can't do it bruh!! My crappy iMac only gets maybe .1 FPS not even a full frame. It's such garbage. Laptop parts, can't upgrade and show my butt crack like a plumber when I swap out parts. GRRRRRRR!!!
Sell your iMac, and join the Windows 10 Elite crowd. Dx12, Season Passes, Driver updates, crashes, spyware etc. The future. Yes!!! It's so exciting.
I will, I can't wait for all that telemetry data to be sent for all the love, again and again. All those features!! wow!!!! The wow starts now!
I didn't know we loved the forced to use monopoly lazy OS in the first place, but now I know.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7869679/love-in-a-time-of-windows-10
Anyway guys I need your advice on my latest Hackintosh build. It totally destroys the iMac.
http://www.theverge.com/2015/1/22/7869679/love-in-a-time-of-windows-10
Anyway guys I need your advice on my latest Hackintosh build. It totally destroys the iMac.
Probably get 100x the power in there. Honestly our 1998 compaq presario desktop is WAY stronger than the current iMac. I can swap parts and pull my pants down to slow plumbers crack.
If your point is that for some professional users (i.e. a small proportion of all users) the iMac might not cut it, then even jokingly suggesting it can't do much than browse Facebook is an incredibly lame way to make that point.
As I said in that post, what you really meant was that it can do pretty much everything perfectly capably apart from a small number of very CPU intensive tasks.
But I think we all know why you chose not to word it quite like that.
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Again, what's the point of saying your computer cost way less, when its missing arguably the iMac's best component - the 5K display.
Its like me saying you're an idiot spending $2k on your computer, because I have one that cost $1k, and does everything I need. And who cares if mine has different components than yours.
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That's a sample of, um, one. I've just replaced a six year old iMac, which is still working perfectly well that I'll get a few hundred for second hand.
So what have we learned about the comparable reliability of the two?
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If that's your criteria for what drags a conversation down, then presumably the argument was lost when you made the exact same comment the other way, about people using their iMacs to look at Facebook.
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Loved your post. And, in regards to the 5K Display, you made a really good point. The Dell 5K Display is $2,500 alone! And, in regards to the PQ, the 5k iMac and Dell are comparable. So, the iMac is a pretty good deal!
Another list - if it goes on and on, can you post the full list please?
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Sorry, but actual reliability data based on far larger samples trumps your single piece of anecdotal evidence.
Does the term 'negativity bias' mean anything to you?
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On this point, I must concede that my just replaced iMac had an issue with the display. Sort of grey watermark type thing - was a bit weird as it would move slightly.
Point is, I contacted Apple and even though it was over a year out of warranty they agreed to cover the cost of having the display replaced. And all I needed to to was take it to a local authorised Apple dealer in my town, and it was done in about three days.
And, to be fair, I did have a problem with an MBP from 2008 - think it was down to some dodgy nVidia graphics cards at the time. They replaced the logic board and the display under warranty, but the new display had a single vertical line of faulty pixels. Took it back again, and they replaced it with a brand new machine - which by that time was the new unibody MBP.
Pretty good customer service in both cases that I wouldn't be that confident of getting from many other companies.
And yes, I know its only anecdotal - maybe its a coincidence that Apple tends to come out so highly rates in customer satisfaction figures.
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Just a few questions on that.
1. Who is "we"?
2. How much do standalone 5K displays with a comparable spec to the iMac display typically cost?
3. You mention "limitations" - what sorts of things can't you do on your iMac that you need, or would like, to do?
Hmm, someone better tell my iMac 5k that it can't play Witcher 3 on high resolution.
I run many demanding programs on my iMac and don't have a problem with the computer being able to move that many pixels around. I have been building computers since 2000 and been using computers since 1980 or a little earlier than that. I think I know a thing about computers. Being a computer graphics person I find the truth usually is the best, but I think this thread is only to make you feel justified in building you "hackintosh" and nothing more. Don't get me wrong I don't see nothing wrong in building computers, for I have done that myself.
It's an all-in-one, there is a very clear distinction between a desktop tower and a laptop. And in the all-in-one marketplace it is competitively priced. Matter of fact in the case of the 5k iMac its incredibly priced especially if that is a useful spec for you.
Saying its a laptop merely because it uses a mobile GPU is as silly as saying you can build a computer cheaper, because you can't....its not a tower.
I think it would be more fair to say that you aren't in the AIO market and/or it doesn't interest you. However I wouldn't group all of us into that category. I have no interest in a tower type computer nor do I feel like wasting time building one. So which AIO on the market do you feel is better than an iMac?
You can build a house MUCH cheaper then you can have one built for you. Why is it so hard for so many to understand that not all of us have any interest in building our own houses?
The OP is right to be frustrated by Apple's lack of a product which he would be happy to shell out a few extra dollars for. I've been an Apple fan/user since the early 90's, luckily for me, but ever since Mr Jobs passed away, the hardware offerings have become more and more frustrating. The imac certainly looks the part, but deep down you know that eventually it will be a lovely screen with a chuggy old computer in it. And it's not as if you can chuck some more ram in to help matters. That option has been removed from the poor users. Same for the mac mini. The one decent offering was the quad core mini with the 6630m dedicated graphics card. Not a bad little machine at all, but that avenue has been closed off, for some obscure reason. I'm convinced Uncle Steve was the last line of defence from the 'soldered on ram' and 'underpowered graphics card' brigades.
Anyhow, moan over. I'll stick with my two old classic mac pro's and my little 2009 mac mini. I won't be buying anything new from apple any time soon. Such a shame.
Anyhow, moan over. I'll stick with my two old classic mac pro's and my little 2009 mac mini. I won't be buying anything new from apple any time soon. Such a shame.
I edit video for HD TV commercials that run on national television, as well as edit multi-gigabyte Photoshop images using my iMac with no issues at all. I do have the upgraded video card and full RAM upgrade... but quite frankly, all this nonsense about Apple's hardware not being good enough for this or that (outside of gaming and some other niche areas) is a load of bullocks.
Sure, you can get higher specs building your own Windows-based computer; but the list of people who truly NEED those specs is much, much shorter than the list of people who buy them.
But none of that matters much, because Apple sells consumer-based hardware first and foremost. Consumers couldn't care less about HD speeds, video cards, etc.
Sure, you can get higher specs building your own Windows-based computer; but the list of people who truly NEED those specs is much, much shorter than the list of people who buy them.
But none of that matters much, because Apple sells consumer-based hardware first and foremost. Consumers couldn't care less about HD speeds, video cards, etc.
And I suppose that's the issue for me. I don't like to be treated like a 'good little consumer', and I don't have any problem with people choosing to use imacs. But I'd like a choice, and at the minute there isn't one that suits me. Yes, I play a few games. Elite: Dangerous is great example of when things go wrong. Played quite nicely on my two cMP, then an expansion was released which will not run on mac os x. So I now have to run it on bootcamp on Windows 7 pro on my 2008 mac pro. If I had any hair, I might pull some out.
Ah well, nevermind.
You're not alone in that thinking... but then, that's not really Apple's problem as much as it is your/our problem. It's kind of like being upset that Ferrari doesn't sell a $30,000 car that we can add our own preferred doo-dads to.
Depending on the drive and use case, 5400 rpm vs. 7200 or faster isn't so cut and dried anyway.
A short stroked 5400 rpm drive of larger capacity (at the same price) will often be faster than a smaller, more full 7200 rpm drive to a point. Google "short stroke storage".
Besides, all hard drives are slow. If you want something fast, stick SSD in it. And if you're using SSD cache, the difference between a 7200 and 5400 for the non-cache part of a fusion setup will be be barely measurable.
Yes, the GPUs suck. But for most of the other components, apple's choices actually make reasonable sense given the cost vs. performance vs. profit margin apple build into the price. And yes, the profit margin is relevant. Apple support is excellent. That comes out of the profit margin on the device. If you are happy with ASUS or Samsung level of support (or none) then fine, go for a vendor with no margin.
A "real one"? So the iMac I'm typing this on isn't a real one? A real what exactly?
I appreciate your response. Let's also consider what exactly does Apple offer in the way of computers. Other than the anemic if not castrated Mac Mini, the entire line up for typical users are indeed, iMacs. Thus, it is quite reasonable to compare it to the "tower" counterpart and even models of computers that follow the iMac all-in-one style. The iMac "is" the main offering from Apple.
We agree, I am not a "typical" user but do a great deal of things typical to an average user plus other more advanced work. Again, your response is well received and appreciated.
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For item one - that is a collective "we." I'll dismiss this one as you can understand what is implied.
For item two - Dell's offering can be found under 2000 dollars, has full swivel, swing, and horizontal rotation as well as either matches or in a few tests surpasses the iMac on various tests related to the things I do such as 100 percent adobe calibration. I give props to the iMac for being slightly brighter. If you want to gain the items listed above for the iMac, you would need to invest in a mount/arm and add those dollars and more real estate is required on the desk or wall.
For item three - well covered and virtually dismissed and these are big points - upgrade-ability beyond RAM. Pretty much what you buy is the way it will stand until retired or broken. I absolutely want ability to easily access and upgrade storage, switch out video or have more than one type of video card, no way to add cards such as audio so that leaves everything "outside" the "thin" footprint and again, one can list other options of want/need based on what one intends to use the computer for on a daily or some time basis.
Please allow me to say that time and experience doesn't define an "expert" and we see here both objective and subjective responses. I happen to form much of my subjective on my experiences that include objective contrast and compare for MY needs and also dealing with other users on a personal and professional level. - Having come from somewhat early PC days (both Tandy and IBM) on up the line, I have seen lots of things come and go. The two things I admired early on about Apple (though I remained in the DOS then Windows camp) were the amazing RISC chip and the early Laserwriter. At that time, both were truly marvels. My switch to Apple was driven by three things - Vista 'betaware' from Microsoft had me agitated enough to jump ship, Apple having gone to the Intel chip gave me familiarity and admittedly a touch of excitement delving into the world of Apple.
I have had really fantastic experiences with Apple and many disappointments. Over time, I realized that though I am still a fan of OSX, the hardware was going in a direction that less suited my needs and now I have stripped it down to just a couple of computers and either sold or gave away older models. I fully admit my ideal iMac would have the ability to do upgrades (even if they were semi-proprietary).
I agree with everything you say here however I still don't feel its a very fair to compare an iMac to anything other than another all-in-one regardless of how many they sell.
Lets look at this the opposite direction. If you were buying a laptop would you include an iMac into your list of potential laptops to buy?
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