Impacts of removing the headphone jack [MERGED]

[lchlch]

No manufacturers work with very low margins. When the have MFI certification, there are other things that are impacted such as QC and shipping costs. i also assume part of that large difference may be because they are currently not in mass production, due to a lack of demand so it could reduce significantly in the future.

Yes iPhones are more efficient but the battery life will still be behind a lot of android flagships. This will deter Android users from switching if anything, but like I said we'll wait for the official numbers since there hasn't really been an iPhone in a similar situation so we simply don't know what to expect.
[doublepost=1469807699][/doublepost]Apple want people to switch to wireless, therefore charging and listening won't be a problem very often. Charging and connecting to your car is certainly not s problem as you can get Bluetooth adapters for that. If you want to stick with wired (lightning) then adapters will be available allowing you to listen and charge.
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Bluetooth EarPods won't be included due to price however it would make a lot of sense if they implement lightning charging as it would be the cleanest solution and most convenient.

Monoprice?

Mfi certification doesn't really impact qc and shipping. You only need 3rd party verification and Apple's approval of your products final design. [source: http://apple.stackexchange.com/ques...st-or-individual-apply-for-apples-mfi-program ]

 

[joeblow7777]

Are people so completely unable to plan ahead or so tied to one way of doing things that a headphone jack causes this much drama?

Some people really live charmed lives if the major drama in their lives is a headphone jack.

Says the person who goes on to spend the better part of the morning engaged in a discussion about why other people should or shouldn't care about a headphone jack.

 

[Appleaker]

Monoprice?

Mfi certification doesn't really impact qc and shipping. You only need 3rd party verification and Apple's approval of your products final design. [source: http://apple.stackexchange.com/ques...st-or-individual-apply-for-apples-mfi-program ]

I am talking about smaller wholesale manufacturers, for which it does impact qc and shipping.

 

[lchlch]

I am talking about smaller wholesale manufacturers, for which it does impact qc and shipping.

The cost is nominal to them...

 

[boltjames]

Before, weren't you saying that it would never happen because it made no business sense? I guess you see now how it can.

there are more valid reasons that they have for removing it, but either way I think there is no justification for doing it.

It's just a stupid move.

Look, I have more money than God and I'm sure Bose will come out with a Quiet Comfort Lightning cable so I'm not exactly sweating this personally. But as an Apple stockholder I am appalled at the prospect of an already-boring iPhone 7 launch with the added blow of millions of iPhone users without major money being forced to ditch their existing headphones or live with a dongle. It's really short-sighted. Until there is a critical mass of Lightning headphones at varying price levels, this is just not smart business.

I still don't think they will do it. They've never been this blind.

BJ

 

[joeblow7777]

It's just a stupid move.

Look, I have more money than God and I'm sure Bose will come out with a Quiet Comfort Lightning cable so I'm not exactly sweating this personally. But as an Apple stockholder I am appalled at the prospect of an already-boring iPhone 7 launch with the added blow of millions of iPhone users without major money being forced to ditch their existing headphones or live with a dongle. It's really short-sighted. Until there is a critical mass of Lightning headphones at varying price levels, this is just not smart business.

I still don't think they will do it. They've never been this blind.

BJ

Has there ever been this many rumours, leaks, and general buzz about a feature (or rather, lack of a feature) this close to launch that turned out to be false? It's like how everyone knew the sizes that the 6 would come in, and everyone knew the 5s would have a fingerprint scanner, and everyone knew the 6s would have a pressure sensitive screen. I'm not a fan of losing the headphone jack, and I always say that nothing is official until it comes from Apple, but at this point, it seems pretty unlikely that so many sources are so wrong.

 

[Qbnkelt]

Not a problem for most as they charge their phone while they sleep.

There that pesky planning ahead thing again......

 

[C DM]

Has there ever been this many rumours, leaks, and general buzz about a feature (or rather, lack of a feature) this close to launch that turned out to be false? It's like how everyone knew the sizes that the 6 would come in, and everyone knew the 5s would have a fingerprint scanner, and everyone knew the 6s would have a pressure sensitive screen. I'm not a fan of losing the headphone jack, and I always say that nothing is official until it comes from Apple, but at this point, it seems pretty unlikely that so many sources are so wrong.

I don't remember the exact specifics at the moment, but I do recall there being quite a bit of buzz and rumors and discussions and "prototypes" and cases and whatnot when it came to the supposed "teardrop" design of an upcoming iPhone model, all of which turned out to be completely nothing at all.
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Not a problem for most as they charge their phone while they sleep.

And there are likely plenty (even out of those) who might be charging the phone again at some point during the day too.

 

[Qbnkelt]

Says the person who goes on to spend the better part of the morning engaged in a discussion about why other people should or shouldn't care about a headphone jack.

I find people having kittens over a headphone jack to be very interesting.

And if you recall, I'm not the one having a nervous breakdown over it.

 

[joeblow7777]

I find people having kittens over a headphone jack to be very interesting.

And if you recall, I'm not the one having a nervous breakdown over it.

I'm just saying that caring about other people caring doesn't seem much better. At least people "having kittens" over it are expressing concerns about how it will affect a product that is important to their daily lives. How they feel about it has nothing to do with you, so I think it's fair to point out that you must have a pretty charmed life if you have the time and inclination to engage them about it.

But hey, who said having a charmed life is a bad thing? All iPhone issues are first world problems.

 

[bufffilm]

It's out of our hands. It will be a bit strange not having the jack that has been a fixture for so many years.

We will have to see what Apple will give us to replace it.

I'm not sure if this is enough to make me consider other alternatives (ie. moving to Android) for my next phone, but I'm certainly weighing my choices and reading up on what's out there.

I predict that next year will be good one from a consumer POV. There will be many outstanding phones to choose from so I hope Apple takes heed.

 

[boltjames]

Has there ever been this many rumours, leaks, and general buzz about a feature (or rather, lack of a feature) this close to launch that turned out to be false? It's like how everyone knew the sizes that the 6 would come in, and everyone knew the 5s would have a fingerprint scanner, and everyone knew the 6s would have a pressure sensitive screen. I'm not a fan of losing the headphone jack, and I always say that nothing is official until it comes from Apple, but at this point, it seems pretty unlikely that so many sources are so wrong.

You do realize that all these supposed "rumors" are Photoshops by paid bloggers as clickbait, right?

I'll trust what I read from valid news-breakers, but I never trust the photos.

BJ

 

[cynics]

You see this? See Good Technology at the bottom? That's my work phone. Hardly a toy. Lasts all day.

My personal phone does everything for me. Managing my personal tasks *and* play my music *and* play Pokeman Go. Lasts all day.

Not sure what you want me to tell you? I must work more than you do? Lol

Or because YOU can make it through a work day I must be doing something wrong?

Seriously though since we are both two different people I think it's safe to say we have different usage for our phones.

Best I get is 6 hours of usage, mostly phone. I'll need to charge throughout the day. Or am I wrong because your experience varies? Lol

 

[Appleaker]

The cost is nominal to them...

Not at all, in comparison with non MFI products. Especially at this stage when they have not entered mass production. You and I are talking about different things - I am not talking about large accessory companies that manufacture their own products.
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You do realize that all these supposed "rumors" are Photoshops by paid bloggers as clickbait, right?

I'll trust what I read from valid news-breakers, but I never trust the photos.

BJ

You seem to be in denial about it happening. While it is always possible that they could be keeping the headphone jack, the evidence points towards them removing it. In addition, the pattern among accessories such as cases is very clear.

 

[lchlch]

Not at all, in comparison with non MFI products. Especially at this stage when they have not entered mass production. You and I are talking about different things - I am not talking about large accessory companies that manufacture their own products.

We are talking about the same thing. MFI certification does not have impact on the qc and shipping.

Mfi certification is related to the design phase of the product. QC and shipping is related to the production phase which is not affected by the mfi certification at all.

Are you saying that qc and shipping on maybe a few prototypes is significant?

 

[joeblow7777]

You do realize that all these supposed "rumors" are Photoshops by paid bloggers as clickbait, right?

I'll trust what I read from valid news-breakers, but I never trust the photos.

BJ

This isn't my first iPhone launch. As I said, I won't swear that anything is for sure until Apple themselves say it, but we're seeing all the same evidence that pointed to features that turned out to be true for previous models.
Even the New York Times and Forbes are saying that Apple is planning to eliminate the headphone jack. I realize that they may be wrong as well, but again I ask, can you think of any other rumour that has been this persistent this close to launch that has turned out to be false?


I know that Apple doesn't comment on rumours and speculation, but it's gotten to the point where I feel that Apple would actually come out and say they are not removing the jack if they're not, because it's clearly causing a lot of anxiety at a time when they need investor and consumer confidence. Of course, you might say "they haven't come out and said that they ARE removing it either", but why would they? If it's happening, they're not going to say anything until the keynote when they can put a positive spin on it and show off all the phone's other features. If they announced that they are ditching the jack now, it would drown out everything else they have to say about the phone.

 

[entropi]

"It's out of our hands."

Yeah, but my money stays in my hands.

 

[Newtons Apple]

And there are likely plenty (even out of those) who might be charging the phone again at some point during the day too.

And that is just fine, tell them to plug it up!

You can bet that there will be all kinds of adapters so like everything else in these forums this have to hyperventilate over it!
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I find people having kittens over a headphone jack to be very interesting.

And if you recall, I'm not the one having a nervous breakdown over it.

It almost as good as "I will never buy antoehr iPhone if they make the screen bigger than 4 inches!!!

 

[Appleaker]

We are talking about the same thing. MFI certification does not have impact on the qc and shipping.

Mfi certification is related to the design phase of the product. QC and shipping is related to the production phase which is not affected by the mfi certification at all.

I'm bored of having this argument. I work with accessory wholesalers and manufacturers almost every day, some recent ones being MFI headphone suppliers, and I know the difference in cost between the non-MFI and MFI product. QC is affected by MFI since they have to go through stricter QC checks than the non-MFI models where QC is not done very well to keep costs down. The MFI equivalent obviously has internal changes due to having to follow the spec, which again is more costly to produce than the non-MFI equivalent. This price difference has existed for a long time due to the very, very low demand but it'll likely plummet when they enter mass production. Why do you think there are currently no affordable options on the market?
We were talking about different things, I am talking about lightning products that have non-MFI equivalents, whereas I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) you're referring to a product that was built for MFI only and for large production scales.

 

[C DM]

And that is just fine, tell them to plug it up!

You can bet that there will be all kinds of adapters so like everything else in these forums this have to hyperventilate over it!
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It almost as good as "I will never buy antoehr iPhone if they make the screen bigger than 4 inches!!!

I think most people are just discussing it with only perhaps a few "hyperventilating" (from either side of it all).

 

[Qbnkelt]

Not sure what you want me to tell you? I must work more than you do? Lol

Or because YOU can make it through a work day I must be doing something wrong?

Seriously though since we are both two different people I think it's safe to say we have different usage for our phones.

Best I get is 6 hours of usage, mostly phone. I'll need to charge throughout the day. Or am I wrong because your experience varies? Lol

Nah....its just that the "oh I use my phone as a tool and you use yours as a toy" is way too reminiscent of BlackBerry fanatics......

Sure we all have different uses. My point is simple....plan ahead so you're not having to make a decision between charging and using the headset.

I'm not unusual. I manage to do it. It's not rocket science.

 

[joeblow7777]

Nah....its just that the "oh I use my phone as a tool and you use yours as a toy" is way too reminiscent of BlackBerry fanatics......

Sure we all have different uses. My point is simple....plan ahead so you're not having to make a decision between charging and using the headset.

I'm not unusual. I manage to do it. It's not rocket science.

Maybe this is why Apple will introduce wireless charging (or is that supposed to be on the 2017 phone? I can't recall). That way you can just lay your phone on the charging pad as you listen. Of course, then you have to buy a charging pad... Presumably from Apple.

 

[C DM]

Nah....its just that the "oh I use my phone as a tool and you use yours as a toy" is way too reminiscent of BlackBerry fanatics......

Sure we all have different uses. My point is simple....plan ahead so you're not having to make a decision between charging and using the headset.

I'm not unusual. I manage to do it. It's not rocket science.

At the same time shouldn't technology improve over time and help make things simpler? If no planning ahead is needed now to accomplish that easily, why would it make sense (short of just "that's how it is") for it to become a necessary task in the future? That doesn't seem like an improvement or a good thing really.

 

[Newtons Apple]

Maybe this is why Apple will introduce wireless charging (or is that supposed to be on the 2017 phone? I can't recall). That way you can just lay your phone on the charging pad as you listen. Of course, then you have to buy a charging pad... Presumably from Apple.

Hard to do wireless charging and keep the phone thin. Besides I can her the complaints now about how slow wireless charging is and is there a way to hook the charger up to 440v to speed things up.

 

[cynics]

Nah....its just that the "oh I use my phone as a tool and you use yours as a toy" is way too reminiscent of BlackBerry fanatics......

Sure we all have different uses. My point is simple....plan ahead so you're not having to make a decision between charging and using the headset.

I'm not unusual. I manage to do it. It's not rocket science.

I never said you use your phone as a toy albeit you brought up Pokemon. I said if *I* used mine as a toy it might last me all day.

I do plan ahead, I charge my phone while I'm listening to music so the phone doesn't die when I'm away from a place to charge.

I clearly stated I'm expecting an adapter for this.

"It's not rocket science" as the conversation comes full circle.