Impacts of removing the headphone jack [MERGED]

[Qbnkelt]

I never said you use your phone as a toy albeit you brought up Pokemon. I said if *I* used mine as a toy it might last me all day.

I do plan ahead, I charge my phone while I'm listening to music so the phone doesn't die when I'm away from a place to charge.

I clearly stated I'm expecting an adapter for this.

"It's not rocket science" as the conversation comes full circle.

sure I mentioned Pokemon....on my personal phone. But because my work phone is strictly work I don't use it for anything that's not work related. It still lasts all day, I still charge it overnight and I still charge it on the cable at work while my personal is on the docking station. And in the car I'm listening to BT while it's charging.

Honestly the idea of using a phone with two sets of cables coming out of it is ridiculous to me. I don't, even now.
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At the same time shouldn't technology improve over time and help make things simpler? If no planning ahead is needed now to accomplish that easily, why would it make sense (short of just "that's how it is") for it to become a necessary task in the future? That doesn't seem like an improvement or a good thing really.

Where I see it, using a headset without a cable while while it's charging is much more preferable than having to deal with two sets of cables. I plan ahead now, planned ahead before, and will plan ahead in the future. Been planning ahead all my adult life and certainly with tech. Why wouldn't anyone have the foresight to imagine what might be needed and then plan accordingly?

To me, the simplest thing in the world is putting my phone in a docking station. I can move hands free and do what I want and the phone is charging the whole time. Or using BT in my car. That's simplest to me. That's what I do now. I honestly can't remember the last time I had to charge and listen to music plugged in. The only time I"m plugged in is when I'm walking to or from Metro, or on the Metro, or in the Mall. In none of these instances do I need to be plugged in. When I'm riding I'm sure not plugged in.

I don't see the whole tragedy of losing the headphone jack. To me, I won't even know it's gone.

 

[C DM]

sure I mentioned Pokemon....on my personal phone. But because my work phone is strictly work I don't use it for anything that's not work related. It still lasts all day, I still charge it overnight and I still charge it on the cable at work while my personal is on the docking station. And in the car I'm listening to BT while it's charging.

Honestly the idea of using a phone with two sets of cables coming out of it is ridiculous to me. I don't, even now.
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Where I see it, using a headset without a cable while while it's charging is much more preferable than having to deal with two sets of cables. I plan ahead now, planned ahead before, and will plan ahead in the future. Been planning ahead all my adult life and certainly with tech. Why wouldn't anyone have the foresight to imagine what might be needed and then plan accordingly?

To me, the simplest thing in the world is putting my phone in a docking station. I can move hands free and do what I want and the phone is charging the whole time. Or using BT in my car. That's simplest to me. That's what I do now. I honestly can't remember the last time I had to charge and listen to music plugged in. The only time I"m plugged in is when I'm walking to or from Metro, or on the Metro, or in the Mall. In none of these instances do I need to be plugged in. When I'm riding I'm sure not plugged in.

I don't see the whole tragedy of losing the headphone jack. To me, I won't even know it's gone.

All that certainly makes sense to you based on your use. There are other uses as well which can be different but no less valid and useful to someone else (even if to you or someone else they might not make as much sense).

 

[Qbnkelt]

I'm just saying that caring about other people caring doesn't seem much better. At least people "having kittens" over it are expressing concerns about how it will affect a product that is important to their daily lives. How they feel about it has nothing to do with you, so I think it's fair to point out that you must have a pretty charmed life if you have the time and inclination to engage them about it.

But hey, who said having a charmed life is a bad thing? All iPhone issues are first world problems.

Well I use the same product and I don't see any reasons to have kittens over a headphone jack when I've got docking stations and BT everywhere. And yeah, if I'm going to have such a dramatic response over some component in a piece of tech, I must be pretty charmed. But see, I'm not the one screaming woe unto me to the High Heavens.

Simple. Charge overnight. Is it THAT difficult to do? Nope. Some people want to scream and gnash their teeth over the silliest things. And then they'll buy the phone and then it will be some other OHMYGAWDCANYOUBELIEVEAPPLE drama next go around. And here I'll be with my popcorn and a beer.
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All that certainly makes sense to you based on your use. There are other uses as well which can be different but no less valid and useful to someone else (even if to you or someone else they might not make as much sense).

Absolutely. Which is why I use the pronoun "I" quite extensively. Everyone posts their impressions and ideas. I'm posting mine in response to what I'm reading. It's what forums are for, and we all know that.

 

[C DM]

Well I use the same product and I don't see any reasons to have kittens over a headphone jack when I've got docking stations and BT everywhere. And yeah, if I'm going to have such a dramatic response over some component in a piece of tech, I must be pretty charmed. But see, I'm not the one screaming woe unto me to the High Heavens.

Simple. Charge overnight. Is it THAT difficult to do? Nope. Some people want to scream and gnash their teeth over the silliest things. And then they'll buy the phone and then it will be some other OHMYGAWDCANYOUBELIEVEAPPLE drama next go around. And here I'll be with my popcorn and a beer.
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Absolutely. Which is why I use the pronoun "I" quite extensively. Everyone posts their impressions and ideas. I'm posting mine in response to what I'm reading. It's what forums are for, and we all know that.

I believe the "charge overnight" piece has been brought up and addressed before.

As far as personal impressions and all that, yes, that is the type of thing that the forums are for, it's just that sometimes those impressions go (or at least seem to go) beyond personal impressions into being used as to somehow invalidate other personal impressions that are different but could be just as valid for someone else given that different people do things differently.

 

[Qbnkelt]

I believe the "charge overnight" piece has been brought up and addressed before.

As far as personal impressions and all that, yes, that is the type of thing that the forums are for, it's just that sometimes those impressions go beyond personal impressions into being used as to somehow invalidate other personal impressions that are different but could be just as valid for someone else given that different people do things differently.

An opposing view counters a specific premise. That's a normal part of discussion.

Otherwise all there would ever be would be a dictatorial and authoritarian only this view is valid kind of situation. I this example, then, there would only be OHMYGAWWWWWDDDD APPLE IS EEEEEVEHHHLLLLL and honestly, that's been done to death. I believe the thread title had something to do with impacts of the removal of the jack. I said no impact for me. That's valid. Why should that point not be made? Was this a "Headphone jack removal complaint only thread" and I didn't notice it? Nope.

The issue arose when all kinds of uber dramatic scenarios came in on the downfall of civilisation if there was no headphone jack and I countered with meh....plan ahead. Which was tantamount to putting bunnies in a pot of boiling water, apparently.

My point is valid. Disagree, OK. Agree, OK. Goes against the angst in the thread, true. But seeing as it is a discussion of impressions and opinions, my point stands. No impact at all.

 

[joeblow7777]

Well I use the same product and I don't see any reasons to have kittens over a headphone jack when I've got docking stations and BT everywhere. And yeah, if I'm going to have such a dramatic response over some component in a piece of tech, I must be pretty charmed. But see, I'm not the one screaming woe unto me to the High Heavens.

Simple. Charge overnight. Is it THAT difficult to do? Nope. Some people want to scream and gnash their teeth over the silliest things. And then they'll buy the phone and then it will be some other OHMYGAWDCANYOUBELIEVEAPPLE drama next go around. And here I'll be with my popcorn and a beer.
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Absolutely. Which is why I use the pronoun "I" quite extensively. Everyone posts their impressions and ideas. I'm posting mine in response to what I'm reading. It's what forums are for, and we all know that.

No offense, but from my perspective you seemed to be getting as worked up as anyone, more than most in fact, just for a different reason.

Bottom line is that everyone uses their phones in different ways and in different scenarios. The ability to charge and plug in headphones doesn't matter to you. That's fine, but it matters to other people. Why should you care about that or dictate to them how they should be using their phones to compensate?

 

[Blaze4G]

You are leaving out another significant group. The group that actually uses whatever headphones came with their device. Not everyone tosses their Apple earpods in favor of 3rd party headphones.

- They are included with the phone at no extra charge and are covered by AppleCare.
- They are comfortable to wear unless you have some freakish ear canals.
- They sound decent
- They have media controls and inline mic which are both convenient. I see people all the time having phone conversations with their Apple Earpods while they awkwardly hold the mic up to their mouth as opposed to a bluetooth headset.

Apple will most likely include lightning earpods with the iPhone 7 so this group will not be impacted as much.

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Other folks like myself who were finally fed up with tangled cords have moved on to wireless headphones.

Wireless headphone sales exceeded those of wired headphones according to this article by 9to5Mac.

http://9to5mac.com/2016/07/28/npd-wireless-headphones-sales/

*Correction* wireless headphones sales REVENUE exceed wired. However 83% of consumers purchased wired. So most people use wired.

 

[Qbnkelt]

No offense, but from my perspective you seemed to be getting as worked up as anyone, more than most in fact, just for a different reason.

Bottom line is that everyone uses their phones in different ways and in different scenarios. The ability to charge and plug in headphones doesn't matter to you. That's fine, but it matters to other people. Why should you care about that or dictate to them how they should be using their phones to compensate?

Oh trust me, if I were worked up you'd see a lot more. I'm amused by the angst. It's a distraction from the Cyber Watergate going on now.

I'm challenging the drama. That's different from dictating.

 

[Blaze4G]

It was your choice all along to answer or not.

Newsflash....I don't care what people on the Internet think of me. I'll live if you don't like my attitude.

Look....it s a true thing....plan ahead. If I know I'll be on an eight hour flight I charge before I get in a plane and don't use the phone in flight but use my iPad. That way I don't have to choose one or the other. If I'm going to get in the Metro I charge in the office and play music through the charging dock.

Yup, this is a tech forum. And anyone involved in tech would need to understand that tech implies changes. If not, it's going to be a rude awakening.

As far as feeding the world....the angst spent over a headphone jack would be better served coming up with a solution for feeding the world.

And yeah I said look up because anyone charging three times a day, given the fact that one charge already gives me a full day, is spending his or her entire waking time with eyes on a screen. Bound to walk into a light pole.

So you say people should plan ahead. If some follow your advice they will need to buy an iPad and a new car just to plan ahead to use the iPhone 7? Lol

 

[CTHarrryH]

my issues is that today I can use the same set of headphones with my iPhone (and charge at the same time which I need), on my iPad, on my laptop, on the TV at the gym etc. So I only have to carry 1 set. With an adapter I can still carry one but with one more device to carry etc. Not the biggest deal but a minor pain that I'll get over.

 

[cynics]

sure I mentioned Pokemon....on my personal phone. But because my work phone is strictly work I don't use it for anything that's not work related. It still lasts all day, I still charge it overnight and I still charge it on the cable at work while my personal is on the docking station. And in the car I'm listening to BT while it's charging.

Honestly the idea of using a phone with two sets of cables coming out of it is ridiculous to me. I don't, even now.
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If you had a vehicle that only had AUX in and you were trying to 'plan ahead' and charge your phone but wanted to listen to music and/or use GPS on your phone what would you do?

That is my case, my personal vehicle has BT but my work vehicle only has AUX in. I'm not trying to buy a new head unit for my employers vehicle.

Not sure if the only solution for that problem could be called ridiculous (assuming we are using its actual definition).

The adaptor I'm imagining has a 3.5mm port and lightning port, like the dozens of Apples other various adaptors. But it will still have 2 wires running too it.

 

[Qbnkelt]

So you say people should plan ahead. If some follow your advice they will need to buy an iPad and a new car just to plan ahead to use the iPhone 7? Lol

LOL!!!! I was giving my example of how I manage travel now. Even with the phone jack in place on my iPhones. You will do as you wish. Which will undoubtedly include crying woe is unto me to the high heavens.

I got the new car in May because my extended warranty was going to expire. So I *planned ahead* and traded in my car for a new one with additional extended warranty. 100K miles or five years. So I'm covered with no lapse in warranty. That car had BT. New one does too.

 

[Qbnkelt]

If you had a vehicle that only had AUX in and you were trying to 'plan ahead' and charge your phone but wanted to listen to music and/or use GPS on your phone what would you do?

That is my case, my personal vehicle has BT but my work vehicle only has AUX in. I'm not trying to buy a new head unit for my employers vehicle.

Not sure if the only solution for that problem could be called ridiculous (assuming we are using its actual definition).

The adaptor I'm imagining has a 3.5mm port and lightning port, like the dozens of Apples other various adaptors. But it will still have 2 wires running too it.

I'd charge before I left the house/office, leaving everything else free. Because whatever building I would have left would have had a power outlet. Maybe I'm weird and live and work in buildings with power outlets. My commute, in general, is two hours one way. On horrendous days it can go as far as four hours. Knowing this, I charge ahead. Why do I do this? Because back in 2012 I got stuck on a train for hours. I'd left the office at 5 pm with about a third battery left on my iPhone and a quarter on my BlackBerry 9900. I always carry multiple phones but at that time I didn't think it was a big deal. I assumed the ride would only be an hour and I'd be fine. I had several options so I was blasé. Well someone decided to jump into the tracks in front of the train. We were stuck until 11 that night on the tracks. My BlackBerry 9900 died. My work 9930 died. I had only my iPhone 5 left with juice, in the red, because I'd been listening to music before the delay got longer and longer. THAT incident taught me to always always always leave home or work with a fully charged phone. So.....I plan ahead. Now even when there are weather events, all my phones, laptop and iPad get plugged in.

If I lived in an igloo in Antarctica I suppose I'd get a power pack and tons of batteries. Ditto if I lived in a sub Saharan desert.

 

[lchlch]

We are talking about the same thing. MFI certification does not have impact on the qc and shipping.

Mfi certification is related to the design phase of the product. QC and shipping is related to the production phase which is not affected by the mfi certification at all.

I'm bored of having this argument. I work with accessory wholesalers and manufacturers almost every day, some recent ones being MFI headphone suppliers, and I know the difference in cost between the non-MFI and MFI product. QC is affected by MFI since they have to go through stricter QC checks than the non-MFI models where QC is not done very well to keep costs down. The MFI equivalent obviously has internal changes due to having to follow the spec, which again is more costly to produce than the non-MFI equivalent. This price difference has existed for a long time due to the very, very low demand but it'll likely plummet when they enter mass production. Why do you think there are currently no affordable options on the market?
We were talking about different things, I am talking about lightning products that have non-MFI equivalents, whereas I believe (correct me if I'm wrong) you're referring to a product that was built for MFI only and for large production scales.

So your saying that better qc is required for mfi certification? Can your please point me to the source?

 

[Appleaker]

So your saying that better qc is required for mfi certification? Can your please point me to the source?

There is no source, I have connections with wholesalers and manufacturers that produce MFI products. Of course it does, they have to meet the corresponding MFI performance and reliability requirements that are not as tightly regulated when MFI is not applied.
Again, we are talking about different things and in your case the big companies wouldn't have to change their QC as it may already be strict enough as they can afford it and the product is not intended for wholesale.

 

[lchlch]

There is no source, I have connections with wholesalers and manufacturers that produce MFI products. Of course it does, they have to meet the corresponding MFI performance and reliability requirements that are not as tightly regulated when MFI is not applied.
Again, we are talking about different things and in your case the big companies wouldn't have to change their QC as it would be strict enough.

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[Appleaker]

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...I guess the arguments over then.

 

[eoblaed]

So people can't agree because that's how they actually feel about it and simply because they just blindingly go with whatever Apple does?

I don't go blindingly, I go willingly. The reason is that in the end, it's always ended up better.

I imagine the ear pods they supply with the phone will have good battery life, and they'll also be able to plug into the lightning port for a direct connection/recharge. No need for an additional charging cable. I don't see an increase in inconvenience over the current model, especially since most of the time I won't have to deal with a long dangling cable leading to my phone that can get caught on stuff.

And by removing the jack and making room for an extra speaker and/or extra battery, and a bit more proof against introduction of water/foreign particles, I'd call it a net win.

 

[Blaze4G]

LOL!!!! I was giving my example of how I manage travel now. Even with the phone jack in place on my iPhones. You will do as you wish. Which will undoubtedly include crying woe is unto me to the high heavens.

I got the new car in May because my extended warranty was going to expire. So I *planned ahead* and traded in my car for a new one with additional extended warranty. 100K miles or five years. So I'm covered with no lapse in warranty. That car had BT. New one does too.

Yes but you're recommending to others who have similar use cases as you to get an ipad if they don't have one and get a new car that has bluetooth if their current car does not have it. You call this "planning ahead".

So essentially I and others will have to get an iPad and a new car with bluetooth to use the iPhone 7....you know to "plan ahead". Thanks! you're solution is well thought out.
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I don't go blindingly, I go willingly. The reason is that in the end, it's always ended up better.

I imagine the ear pods they supply with the phone will have good battery life, and they'll also be able to plug into the lightning port for a direct connection/recharge. No need for an additional charging cable. I don't see an increase in inconvenience over the current model, especially since most of the time I won't have to deal with a long dangling cable leading to my phone that can get caught on stuff.

And by removing the jack and making room for an extra speaker and/or extra battery, and a bit more proof against introduction of water/foreign particles, I'd call it a net win.

I have a hard time conceptualising how this ear pods would look based on what you said. You mentioned they will be able to plug into lightning port for a direct connection, so does this mean there will be a male connector lightning port sticking out somewhere on the ear pods? Or perhaps have it in the middle of the wire that connects both earpods? Not trolling just a genuine question. I think you will need an extra charging cable.

However all this doesn't matter since the ear pods imo will be wired lightning earpods and not bluetooth. Which again conflicts with the statement here that "Apple wants to go fully wireless", yet will include wired airpods. People need to stop using that excuse if Apple do infact include wired airpods.

 

[I7guy]

Yes but you're recommending to others who have similar use cases as you to get an ipad if they don't have one and get a new car that has bluetooth if their current car does not have it. You call this "planning ahead".

So essentially I and others will have to get an iPad and a new car with bluetooth to use the iPhone 7....you know to "plan ahead". Thanks! you're solution is well thought out.
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I have a hard time conceptualising how this ear pods would look based on what you said. You mentioned they will be able to plug into lightning port for a direct connection, so does this mean there will be a male connector lightning port sticking out somewhere on the ear pods? Or perhaps have it in the middle of the wire that connects both earpods? Not trolling just a genuine question. I think you will need an extra charging cable.

However all this doesn't matter since the ear pods imo will be wired lightning earpods and not bluetooth. Which again conflicts with the statement here that "Apple wants to go fully wireless", yet will include wired airpods. People need to stop using that excuse if Apple do infact include wired airpods.

Or you could use the rumored adapter and not get a new car. Or stick with your current phone or find a manufacturer that still includes the headphone jack. Options are good.

 

[Blaze4G]

Or you could use the rumored adapter and not get a new car.

You see, you missed the context of the discussion. We were talking about charging the phone and listening to music. Her solution was to use ipad instead to listen to music on a long flight and to use a car with bluetooth.

 

[I7guy]

You see, you missed the context of the discussion. We were talking about charging the phone and listening to music. Her solution was to use ipad instead to listen to music on a long flight and to use a car with bluetooth.

But you said you would have to get a new car. I didn't miss it, just pointing out some options. Most flights have electricity or USB these days anyway.

 

[Blaze4G]

But you said you would have to get a new car. I didn't miss it, just pointing out some options. Most flights have electricity or USB these days anyway.

Yes because she said in her car she listens to music via bluetooth and is able to charge her phone. So if my car does not support bluetooth and I am suppose to "Plan Ahead" like she mentions, I will need a new car come september. How does having usb on a flight make any difference in listening to music while charging? None of the flights I have been on has bluetooth or electricity. (I fly on Jetblue almost all the time).

She gave a long list of how she "planned ahead". So I can safely assume if Honda decides to remove the alternator and use a battery that last 1 full day. It will be fine, because we should just plan ahead and charge the battery every night.

EDIT: Technology is suppose to make life easier. I shouldn't have to plan ahead to listen to music on my iPhone.

 

[Appleaker]

Yes but you're recommending to others who have similar use cases as you to get an ipad if they don't have one and get a new car that has bluetooth if their current car does not have it. You call this "planning ahead".

So essentially I and others will have to get an iPad and a new car with bluetooth to use the iPhone 7....you know to "plan ahead". Thanks! you're solution is well thought out.
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I have a hard time conceptualising how this ear pods would look based on what you said. You mentioned they will be able to plug into lightning port for a direct connection, so does this mean there will be a male connector lightning port sticking out somewhere on the ear pods? Or perhaps have it in the middle of the wire that connects both earpods? Not trolling just a genuine question. I think you will need an extra charging cable.

However all this doesn't matter since the ear pods imo will be wired lightning earpods and not bluetooth. Which again conflicts with the statement here that "Apple wants to go fully wireless", yet will include wired airpods. People need to stop using that excuse if Apple do infact include wired airpods.

You can get cheap Bluetooth adapters for your car.

 

[Blaze4G]

You can get cheap Bluetooth adapters for your car.

Yeah I know. I have been thinking of picking up one that works really well with my car. However I haven't really needed for it as yet and it also removes the capability of the 6 cd changer (yes I still use CDs lol). Hence I haven't bought it as yet (cost $145). But again is just seems to cause more trouble than its worth removing the jack. A recent article released saying 83% purchased wired earphones vs bluetooth. With bluetooth headphones being so cheap now, it seems most consumers prefer wired headphones by a large margin.